Color Blindness and the Red Nuke Dot. - Page 13

Vinski

505 Posts

January 15 2012 04:20 GMT

#241

I am also a red/green colorblind gamer. Recently I seen Riot posting a patch with their colorblind color changes. I am excited for that because teamfights were nearly impossible with the green/red health bars. I wish Blizzard would do the same for SC2.

2e4L

1 Post

January 15 2012 04:22 GMT

#242

On March 21 2009 13:37 CharlieMurphy wrote:

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On March 21 2009 08:46 FrozenArbiter wrote:

On March 21 2009 07:37 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Guy's argument was that there are more color blind than there are mac users. This is totally irrelevant. I could make an equally shitty argument about something equally as trivial.
And where did this stat of his come from anyways? It's totally heresay.

A) Who knows how many color blind use mac/pc
B) Some People who have macs might not play games
C) Some People who are color blind might not play games or even have a computer for that matter.

Besides these points from Blizzard's marketing dept what do you think they would pick; PC with handicap support or Mac?

The argument is retarded. That's all I'm saying (I'm not saying that blizz couldn't or shouldn't have handicap options)

I wasn't gonna reply to the first reply but since you guys seem to be lame in the head here it is.

tbh I could say fuck you anyways, should we make the game more one armed friendly because they were born that way too? The game is the game, you understand you have physical limitations for anything you do. Deal with it.
PS- can't you change color hues on your monitor? I'm sure there are color blind programs that do shit like that.

If you want numbers on the prevalence of color blindness, google. Wikipedia says 7-10% of men in the US have the type of red-green color blindness the OP described.

Your 3 points are complete nonsense, it's irrelevant how many color blind people use mac/pc.
It's irrelevant how many people that have macs play games.
It's irrelevant how many colour blind people don't play games/don't own a computer.

It's present in 10% of the male population in general, and therefore it's bound to be about the same % in the gamer population.

Blizzard already makes all their games Mac compatible, a process which is much harder than allowing for a colour change of the god damned nuke-dot.

His argument was completely valid.

Oh and the reason this is different from catering to one armed individuals is that this literally has 0 impact on anyone not color-blind. It CHANGES NOTHING for you, it changes NOTHING for me. It simply alleviates some frustration for about 10% of the gamers.

God this thread tilts me so hard, why is ANYONE opposed to a change that brings no negative side-effects to anyone :[

You misunderstood my post.

You're just a fucking idiot.

User was banned for this post.

Krejven

Sweden105 Posts

January 15 2012 04:29 GMT

#243

So I guess any one would be able to change the color of the nuke dot depending on what map you currently play to make it easier to spot. Anyone else don't see the problem with this? The nuke dot should not be easy to spot but it should however be possible for spot even if you are colorblind. In other words you would need to make it into another color altogether and not have several different options of colors because otherwise it could easily be abused.

XChoke

Australia45 Posts

January 15 2012 10:13 GMT

#244

I have exactly the same issue. I just have to pray I know where the nuke is - I can be looking EXACTLY where the nuke lands and not see the dot. Selecting a dot colour would be preferrable. Ie:- yellow would be perfect but yes ultimately you need an option to exclude a colour.

I use the strong colour mod, and atleast for units it helps A LOT.

The same goes for the minimap - I miss crap all the time even when I'm looking at it and have vision of everything. The number of times I've looked at the minimap, see nothing, but flick to a drop flight path location and see an incoming drop...

Sure people have different issues, but really colour blindness is EASY to resolve. Just make the Ally/Enemy colour option user configurable AND make the minimap and dots follow those same user selected team colours.

FeyFey

Germany10114 Posts

January 15 2012 10:35 GMT

#245

well lategame you don't have enough time to look everywhere for the dot and people won't point it at something green, but something red or behind something. And i guess green maps should be downvoted if you have these issues anyway. Other then that it is a handicap for you, many people have handicaps for example seeing burrowed units movements because their eyesight isn't the best anymore.
Its okay to for example change healthbars for it if it is somewhat important to the gameplay, making it impossible to play the game for people with the handicap.
But something like nukes can't be changed, because otherwise it becomes to easy to spot for people without this handicap, making it useless. So you have to train in order to overcome this handicap thats all.

Other then that you can easily change the effects in sc2, like the stronger color mod etc. But using this on ladder or in tournaments is cheating and using a handicap as an excuse to cheat is really poor.

PS: never used the dot to spot nukes since bw, where nukes actually did damage unlike in sc2 and you had way more positions where a nuke could land.

nam nam

Sweden4672 Posts

January 15 2012 10:43 GMT

#246

On January 15 2012 13:16 ELA wrote:

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Cheers

Although I cant see shit worth of numbers in that picture, ive never had problems on spotting nuke dots on green maps

I guess there are varying degrees of color blindness - I thought I had it pretty bad

There is varying degrees (most can see the difference of red and green if the area is large enough) but there is also different kinds of color blindness. The green/red is probably the most common but some can see green/red fine and have issues with other colors.

True_Spike

Poland3434 Posts

January 15 2012 10:43 GMT

#247

On January 15 2012 19:13 XChoke wrote:
I have exactly the same issue. I just have to pray I know where the nuke is - I can be looking EXACTLY where the nuke lands and not see the dot. Selecting a dot colour would be preferrable. Ie:- yellow would be perfect but yes ultimately you need an option to exclude a colour.

I use the strong colour mod, and atleast for units it helps A LOT.

The same goes for the minimap - I miss crap all the time even when I'm looking at it and have vision of everything. The number of times I've looked at the minimap, see nothing, but flick to a drop flight path location and see an incoming drop...

Sure people have different issues, but really colour blindness is EASY to resolve. Just make the Ally/Enemy colour option user configurable AND make the minimap and dots follow those same user selected team colours.

This, this, a hundred times this! Make us able to choose the color of the enemy on the minimap. It is of utmost importance to spot everything on the minimap, yet the standard red makes it incredibly hard for me, to the point where I've stopped playing the game out of sheer frustration.

GornWood

Germany121 Posts

January 15 2012 10:49 GMT

#248

Ret gotta have the answer! He is colour blind and pro.

Erucious

Norway393 Posts

January 15 2012 10:53 GMT

#249

I dont understand why this has gotten such a negative vibe. Im all for accessibility, but keeping the "pro scene" intact (IE: not modifying too much things to accomodate everyone). But like Jinro said in an earlier post; how is a red dot harder to spot and a purple, or pink, or yellow dot? (for non colorblind).

Every color i just mentioned with every tileset (yellow maybe not on desert oasis

), don't see why this shouldnt be changeable.... <.<

Its like saying; you cant change your settings (if there were, mind you) for left handed players to play with mouse in the left hand; because you have a disability that one should just live with it? Its dumb... (sorry for somewhat incoherent sentences, but i hope i made my point come across .. Eearly morning + no coffee + hangover <.<)

Oxb

199 Posts

January 15 2012 11:02 GMT

#250

Well I can't see it, but I don't really care - it's not like nukes are all that common

Kurast

Australia35 Posts

January 15 2012 11:04 GMT

#251

Hmm, I'm colour blind with red and green but I can see it fine, I wouldn't mind a colour other than red for it though =P

shizna

United Kingdom803 Posts

January 15 2012 11:23 GMT

#252

im NOT colour blind and i can't see the dot unless it's like right under my nose.

if nukes become super popular, i feel like they would be totally gamebreaking for me.... i have to literally move my army and then pull workers from every mining base every time i hear a nuke.

also, what's stopping the guy having 2-3 ghost academy's and firing simultaneously? would cause a lot of issues.

Treziel

United Kingdom123 Posts

January 15 2012 11:44 GMT

#253

This thread is total fail, all the guy is asking for is an option to change the colour of the nuke dot. It doesn't affect anything for non-colour blind people, it is an easy change. So much misinformed discrimination from some people.

Disconnect

United States84 Posts

January 17 2012 17:11 GMT

#254

Some people are assuming that the dot is supposed to be difficult to spot and that allowing a color change gives an unfair advantage.

I disagree because red is probably the most easy to spot color for the non colorblind. I believe Blizzard's intent is for the dot to be easily visible. Therefore allowing you to change the color of the dot to make it easily visible to yourself should be something that is included in the game.

And the ability to modify Team colors to whatever colors you want should also be a no brainer.

Nick.TNA

209 Posts

January 17 2012 17:19 GMT

#255

According to liquipedia this color blindness/nuke dot combo is why orb had to retire pro gaming and take up casting

lol.

I think it'd be cool if detection made the dot far more visible if in range.

BearStorm

United States795 Posts

January 17 2012 17:40 GMT

#256

Battlefield 3 implemented color blind support in a patch. Surely companies are looking into it. Hopefully Blizzard can do something similar.

Bubbadub

United States156 Posts

January 17 2012 17:57 GMT

#257

1. This thread turned into such a huge flamefest over a small detail in the game that is only used at end-game. (or in some sort of cheese)
2. Jinro has valid points & why people are opposed to the ability to change the color of the dot based on personal preference would not be detrimental to the game at all... as was stated bright red is pretty much the best hue for non color-blind people (except maybe on magma-covered maps).
3. Maybe the OP brought up a huge controversial issue (even though it didn't seem like it to me at first...) considering the lead producer couldn't get resources diverted during the making of SC2 in order to help colorblind people.

Oh, when nukes are thrown out end-game I still feel like whether they land or not isn't even what the Terran player is going for (in TvZ atleast). It feels like they are trying to make you multitask to the point where you just can't keep up, and slow down your reaction time to any other harass / pushes they are doing at the time. Even someone experienced in defending against nukes could spend 5 or so seconds to find the spot the nuke is landing on a large map... hell a lot of the time I can't even find it at all just because it's so small.

Kilby

Finland1069 Posts

January 17 2012 17:58 GMT

#258

I kind of feel that the dot should actually not be difficult to see for anyone when you are actually looking at it. The challenge should simply be to quickly find the location on the map where the dot actually is. So when and if you eventually are looking at the correct place, the dot should be clearly visible.

Now knowing that the red-green colorblindness is fairly common in males, I think it might be a good idea to have the nuke dot be bright purple, or have a white haze around it or something like that, for everyone. Sure, it might be slightly easier for the non-colorblind to see but I don't think that's a problem. See the first paragraph for why.

chestnutcc

India429 Posts

January 17 2012 18:02 GMT

#259

You can hear the nuke as it comes closer to the target, the whooshing sound gets louder. It also gives plenty of time to react.

JediZealot

United States78 Posts

January 17 2012 18:08 GMT

#260

I am also color blind to the red/green spectrum. It would be great to be able to change the color of the dot or change it to yellow or white for everyone. This does cause me huge issues as I can be looking right at the red dot and unable to see it. I understand they cant make a game to fulfill everyones needs but simply changing the color in the menu options would not only make if fair for everyone but would make it better for everyone. Red/Green is the #1 problem for people that are color blind so changing it to anything else would be better for most. Also I have friends specifically use nukes on me because they know I cant see the dot. Please be understanding, imagine if you were looking right at i and couldnt see it!

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