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On March 21 2009 06:35 Badjas wrote:
A solution that works for everyone, would be to make the color of the dot be a hue-offset from it's background. Blue dots on yellow background, purple dots on green background.. and black or white dot on silver backgrounds or something along those lines. That means it might be a different color from the one time to the other, making it more difficult to recognize, but there will be a guaranteed contrast. (And the visibility can be balanced still through blinking rate/waveform and size.)
And red dot on green/brown background??? (My point is that depending on the type of colour blindness you can't find any combination which works fine)
It doesn't really work, they could make an option where it switches colour from red->blue->green and then repeats, then it would be as easy for everyone to see.
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On March 21 2009 06:18 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 04:50 JeeJee wrote:On March 21 2009 02:31 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:You're a small minority  Blind people have trouble seeing the dot too. are you dumbyou're dumb there's more colorblind people than there are mac users yeah, let's not make a mac version of the game but not everyone who's color blind or has a mac plays BW either. dumb argument.
LOL
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seriously?
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I'm wonder though, if anyone here is actually color blind like myself and to what degree? The point of the post is to see if I'm just crying out over my personal problems or if it effects enough people to induce the small change of being able to change the color of the nuke dot. This change would not alter the gameplay in anyway; it would just be a toggle switch on the dot color. That being said, I do not understand how anyone could oppose this. The only reason I could see is if Blizzard needs to delay the game another month to do so, then I can see how someone would not want this feature, otherwise please feel free to enlighten me.
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unless you're green or red colour, you shouldnt ever be more disadvantaged.. im sure there will be a SHIFT+ALT like in the original to change colours, no worries.
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On March 21 2009 07:02 Da1d5 wrote:
I'm wonder though, if anyone here is actually color blind like myself and to what degree? The point of the post is to see if I'm just crying out over my personal problems or if it effects enough people to induce the small change of being able to change the color of the nuke dot. This change would not alter the gameplay in anyway; it would just be a toggle switch on the dot color. That being said, I do not understand how anyone could oppose this. The only reason I could see is if Blizzard needs to delay the game another month to do so, then I can see how someone would not want this feature, otherwise please feel free to enlighten me.
There is no logical reason not to include the option you suggest, people are just being.. stupid, frankly -_-
On March 21 2009 07:19 Mobius wrote:
unless you're green or red colour, you shouldnt ever be more disadvantaged.. im sure there will be a SHIFT+ALT like in the original to change colours, no worries.
How does this affect the nuke dot?
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There is no logical reason not to include the option you suggest, people are just being.. stupid, frankly -_-
Exactly. I'm not at all colourblind and I have no problem with incorporating this.
Also I seriously LOL'd when CharlieMurphy came out with "Not all colourblind people play Starcraft, so your argument is defeated!" Wowowowowow.
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The easy solution: Go for contrast. Put a white dot on dark background and a black dot on bright background. Problem solved.
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Guy's argument was that there are more color blind than there are mac users. This is totally irrelevant. I could make an equally shitty argument about something equally as trivial.
And where did this stat of his come from anyways? It's totally heresay.
A) Who knows how many color blind use mac/pc
B) Some People who have macs might not play games
C) Some People who are color blind might not play games or even have a computer for that matter.
Besides these points from Blizzard's marketing dept what do you think they would pick; PC with handicap support or Mac?
The argument is retarded. That's all I'm saying (I'm not saying that blizz couldn't or shouldn't have handicap options)
I wasn't gonna reply to the first reply but since you guys seem to be lame in the head here it is.
tbh I could say fuck you anyways, should we make the game more one armed friendly because they were born that way too? The game is the game, you understand you have physical limitations for anything you do. Deal with it.
PS- can't you change color hues on your monitor? I'm sure there are color blind programs that do shit like that.
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oh nevermind, not worth it
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CharlieMurphy - I see what you are trying to say as far as the thread issue, that the game should not be adapted for the physically limited. However don't you agree that we can use Teamliquid as a representative pool of how many colorblind people play starcraft? For example if 30% (not saying this is the right percentage) of the users on this board happen to be colorblind, wouldn't you agree that it might be reasonable to ask for this toggle switch for the nuke dot color? That is the whole purpose of this thread, I just wanted to get a rough head count to see if it is even an issue worth bringing up.
Also you must understand that the solution that the majority of the Teamliquid community agree with does not adapt the gameplay at all. The feature could just as easily be marketed as a new color alteration panel. If someone was asking that the nuke be removed then I would be right beside you arguing that the majority should not suffer because of the minority, but in this case it does not seem anyone would have to suffer. You could have your red dot and I could have my white/yellow dot and you would never know what color I'm seeing.
Yes you could argue that the nuker might be strategically planting the dot on a location where it would camoflauge and in that case you might have a point. But someone could easily use the methods you suggested to change monitor hues to get around this.
I feel confident when I say that the majority of members in this community understand what you mean by "The game is the game, you understand you have physical limitations for anything you do. Deal with it," and to be honest I completely agree with you. I deal with my color blindness everyday, and thank goodness that is the only limitation I have. However does that mean I cannot try to get a sense of the color blindness in the community of Starcraft players? Can I ask you if you it is too much if a wheelchair user to takes a poll in an area around a restaurant to find out if a local restaurant should consider adding a ramp? I feel I have done no harm and you seem to be upset that this thread is even up.
Regardless, I thank you for bringing the changing of the color hues on my monitor to my attention. If the dot remains red after the final version then that is exactly what I will do.
EDIT* I think Jee Jee was trying to show that the color blind and partially color blind are not as small a minority as one might think.
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If you were colour blind, you wouldn't be able to see shit anyways, let alone any dot........
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On March 21 2009 07:37 CharlieMurphy wrote:
tbh I could say fuck you anyways, should we make the game more one armed friendly because they were born that way too? The game is the game, you understand you have physical limitations for anything you do. Deal with it..
Is it really that much of a trouble to tint the nuke dot differently? Does it affect gameplay for us noncolorblind people at all? Changing it for the one-armed would alter the game significantly for us non-one armed; your argument's even worse than the person's you ridiculed.
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On March 21 2009 08:33 ilovehnk wrote:
If you were colour blind, you wouldn't be able to see shit anyways, let alone any dot........
Great job on not reading the thread! Hell, you didn't even read the original post. Just fucking fantastic.
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ilovehnk - I think you are refering to blind. Colorblind means you see things in black and white much like a dog. I am sorry for misleading you, but I should have been more specific. I meant to say "at least partially colorblind". Eight percent of males are at least partially colorblind (stat from Vischeck.com) with the majority having problems in the red and green areas.
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On March 21 2009 07:37 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Guy's argument was that there are more color blind than there are mac users. This is totally irrelevant. I could make an equally shitty argument about something equally as trivial.
And where did this stat of his come from anyways? It's totally heresay.
A) Who knows how many color blind use mac/pc
B) Some People who have macs might not play games
C) Some People who are color blind might not play games or even have a computer for that matter.
Besides these points from Blizzard's marketing dept what do you think they would pick; PC with handicap support or Mac?
The argument is retarded. That's all I'm saying (I'm not saying that blizz couldn't or shouldn't have handicap options)
I wasn't gonna reply to the first reply but since you guys seem to be lame in the head here it is.
tbh I could say fuck you anyways, should we make the game more one armed friendly because they were born that way too? The game is the game, you understand you have physical limitations for anything you do. Deal with it.
PS- can't you change color hues on your monitor? I'm sure there are color blind programs that do shit like that.
If you want numbers on the prevalence of color blindness, google. Wikipedia says 7-10% of men in the US have the type of red-green color blindness the OP described.
Your 3 points are complete nonsense, it's irrelevant how many color blind people use mac/pc.
It's irrelevant how many people that have macs play games.
It's irrelevant how many colour blind people don't play games/don't own a computer.
It's present in 10% of the male population in general, and therefore it's bound to be about the same % in the gamer population.
Blizzard already makes all their games Mac compatible, a process which is much harder than allowing for a colour change of the god damned nuke-dot.
His argument was completely valid.
Oh and the reason this is different from catering to one armed individuals is that this literally has 0 impact on anyone not color-blind. It CHANGES NOTHING for you, it changes NOTHING for me. It simply alleviates some frustration for about 10% of the gamers.
God this thread tilts me so hard, why is ANYONE opposed to a change that brings no negative side-effects to anyone :[
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To Charlie... I hope you're kidding... maybe someone else will explain it to you, but it's hilarious your train of thought.... it's completely relevant and valid...
On March 21 2009 07:21 FrozenArbiter wrote:There is no logical reason not to include the option you suggest, people are just being.. stupid, frankly -_- Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 07:19 Mobius wrote:
unless you're green or red colour, you shouldnt ever be more disadvantaged.. im sure there will be a SHIFT+ALT like in the original to change colours, no worries. How does this affect the nuke dot?
Eh I think he meant if it was cast on a player's building or unit or somethign rather than on teh tileset.
I don't get it though, sure he's colorblind red/green but aren't we just as disadvantaged on a magma type map? Now doesn't he GET an advantage by doing this? I mean I know toggle switch could be available to anyone, I just think he's overemphasizing the point. EVERYONE had a friggin' hard time finding the nukes and passed over it very easily. EVERYONE missed them all the time.
That and I'm guessing then they're not going to keep the huge friggin' red circle that's been in all the videos thus far? Otherwise this entire topic is obselete.
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The huge circle is for the player using the nuke
Anyway, it would be simple enough to just set it to purple for everyone, since red-green is BY FAR the most common form of colour blindness.
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wtf...
blizzard made the freaking nuke "dot" the size of a cammond center in sc2...
no worries...
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On March 21 2009 08:36 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 08:33 ilovehnk wrote:
If you were colour blind, you wouldn't be able to see shit anyways, let alone any dot........ Great job on not reading the thread! Hell, you didn't even read the original post. Just fucking fantastic.
LMAO! You should ban him for at least 2 days. You really are one of the nicest mods FA.
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FabledIntegral - You're right, it is hard to see for everyone, but imagine if 75% of a lot of popular maps are like the magma for you? Luckily I am not completely color blind, but I feel I would not be able to see the dot at all if it did not pulse. I could only imagine how difficult it would be if someone could not see it at all. Yes I know someone is going to say "well blind people can't see it either", but for the color blind, the solution is rather simple and achievable without jeopardizing gameplay features. Please realize that even though someone can be red/green colorblind, changing the color from red to orange could make the difference between something being visible or invisible.
EDIT* ramen247 - Please show your source. Last time I checked, the dot featured in the Protoss gameplay video would only be visible for the player nuking.
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