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IvaNioX_twitch
25 Posts
JiriKara /Cipisek/ https://www.twitch.tv/ivaniox/clip/OutstandingMoldyGullHassaanChop-el_2a7TBbqxLxliX why are you fu#$%&/%&/() destroying the ladder seems he is aP-Krocan (Cipisek#21484)} https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2463705022 (full game) https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/20/player/JiriKara (other handles |tSt~kRocAn| on Europe ) | ||
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ChaD11
2 Posts
YOU are destroying the ladder | ||
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IvaNioX_twitch
25 Posts
this is not complain about lag, this man is using third party or glitching the game causing massive lag. also, fyi: Global Bandwith (speedtest.net report) # Country Mbps 1 - Singapur 368,50 2 - Emiratos Árabes Unidos 318.63 3 - Hong Kong (RAE) 312.60 4 - Francia 308.01 5 - Islandia 306.22 6 - Estados Unidos 291.18 7 - Chile 290.06 8 - Dinamarca 259.41 9 +1 Suiza 256.91 10 -1 Porcelana 252.45 11 +8 Corea del Sur 251.63 12 -1 España 248.39 13 - Rumania 248.36 14 -2 Tailandia 245.93 15 -1 Canadá 243.87 16 -1 Israel 243.86 17 -1 Macao (RAE) 236.27 18 -1 Taiwán 235.40 19 +2 Países Bajos 223.48 20 -2 Japón 219.45 21 -1 Hungría 215.16 | ||
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ChaD11
2 Posts
just quit playing and annoying everyone User was banned for this post. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1169 Posts
https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/11/player/lIIlIIlIIllIIl The oppo was just sitting there waiting for me to leave, which I did, cause it's super bad experience. Krocan is a well-known Czech zerg. These are some serious accusations. That being said, it's not unbelievable :| | ||
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radley
Poland582 Posts
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G5
United States2921 Posts
Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account. Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again. | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3470 Posts
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote: After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder. Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account. Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again. well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters... | ||
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G5
United States2921 Posts
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote: well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters... You could. But why? There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that. Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream. It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere. What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter. But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own. | ||
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yB.TeH
Germany419 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6834 Posts
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote: You could. But why? There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that. Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream. It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere. What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter. But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own. Well. This is not maphack but is still a very strong hack in my opinion and he is a piece of shit for using lag hack. Also im pretty sure you can report this to blizzard with proof and they will ban his ass for sure. About stream cheaters. That is harder to prove but i believe there was like 5 minutes delay on streams or something in tourneys. So that proly is enough to prevent it. + If you are stream cheating in Brood War man wtf are you doing with your life respectfuly. Like someone doing that shit is borderline a psychopath. THAT SAID G5. There is a precedent of you calling people hackers for no reason too. And tbh you are from an ERA OF SC that was wild back then those PGTOUR hackers and shit. So maybe you carrying some PTSD and see hackers everywhere aswell. LOL But yeah this guy Krocan really need to be punish for this shit. And if you tournaments organizers dont punish him this time atleast a warning is important. | ||
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IvaNioX_twitch
25 Posts
Also im pretty sure you can report this to blizzard with proof and they will ban his ass for sure. yes, but blizzard is afk. nowadays a ban (-1 player) implies big damage to his team (aP - bwcl) in my opinion the warning should be fine to stop that behaviour/hack... | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3470 Posts
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote: You could. But why? There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that. Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream. It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere. What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter. But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own. for me stream/snipe cheat is not quite the same as it is 100% preventable (just add a delay as yo usay) and not really a "hack" so much as being BM. Also as you say hard to prove. but a drophack/laghack is a much more serious step imo. you are conflating 2 very different problems. Most people caught hacking usually got extended ban sentences up to over a decade in some cases. Most of them have served the sentence they received. I will agree with you that normally (I cannot talk about BSL here though) tournament organisers focus on hacks and cheats in their tournament and not on ladder due to mostly a lack of time. BSL having an actual qualifier on ladder might have a different view of this, understandably. a laghack/drophack is a shitty thing to do but at the same time you d "see it" in a proper tournament settings so most likely it s a grey area as you say. now if it were a maphack, it would likely be instaban everywhere (there is admin level coordination behind the scenes on those cases). However like everything it is a choice, it s well within any tournament rules and our capabilities to blanket ban someone for such actions. It s a case of weighing the offense to the punishment. the why is that if nothing is done ever, on the flimsy reason that perhaps in the past some people got off lightly, there is no incentive for people not to do it and for others not to "try" the hack. it spreads and kills the remaining small scene even more. This is my personal opinion as I no longer admin anything | ||
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G5
United States2921 Posts
On May 21 2025 03:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Well. This is not maphack but is still a very strong hack in my opinion and he is a piece of shit for using lag hack. Also im pretty sure you can report this to blizzard with proof and they will ban his ass for sure. About stream cheaters. That is harder to prove but i believe there was like 5 minutes delay on streams or something in tourneys. So that proly is enough to prevent it. + If you are stream cheating in Brood War man wtf are you doing with your life respectfuly. Like someone doing that shit is borderline a psychopath. THAT SAID G5. There is a precedent of you calling people hackers for no reason too. And tbh you are from an ERA OF SC that was wild back then those PGTOUR hackers and shit. So maybe you carrying some PTSD and see hackers everywhere aswell. LOL But yeah this guy Krocan really need to be punish for this shit. And if you tournaments organizers dont punish him this time atleast a warning is important. Not all tournaments have 5+ minute stream delays. I could name more than a few that don't right now but I won't because I'm not trying to shame any tournament organizers or bash any tournaments. Just saying that a loooong delay should be mandatory in tournaments. I'm not sure why you think theres a precedent of me calling people hackers for no reason. I've called into question maybe 2 people publicly over 25+ years and there were reasons both times. I don't just go out of nowhere and publicly accuse people of hacking. Maybe you're confusing me calling people lucky or stupid with me calling people hackers because I call people lucky and stupid plenty of the time. Also, when you see certain players whom never get a BO loss on streams with no delay, or you tune into a guy like Artosis and watch him hit 100%+ more foreigners than anyone else queing up ladder and certain foreigners just happen to always get him and certain ones just happens to always "luck out" and decide to nexus first against him when they're cross map and shit like that, I don't know what is unfounded about thinking that those people probably are stream sniping / cheating. It's more than reasonable but because it isn't 100%, I never publicly say the names I personally think. So whatever. But as I said, we can all have our opinions. | ||
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G5
United States2921 Posts
On May 21 2025 03:59 WGT-Baal wrote: for me stream/snipe cheat is not quite the same as it is 100% preventable (just add a delay as yo usay) and not really a "hack" so much as being BM. Also as you say hard to prove. but a drophack/laghack is a much more serious step imo. you are conflating 2 very different problems. Most people caught hacking usually got extended ban sentences up to over a decade in some cases. Most of them have served the sentence they received. I will agree with you that normally (I cannot talk about BSL here though) tournament organisers focus on hacks and cheats in their tournament and not on ladder due to mostly a lack of time. BSL having an actual qualifier on ladder might have a different view of this, understandably. a laghack/drophack is a shitty thing to do but at the same time you d "see it" in a proper tournament settings so most likely it s a grey area as you say. now if it were a maphack, it would likely be instaban everywhere (there is admin level coordination behind the scenes on those cases). However like everything it is a choice, it s well within any tournament rules and our capabilities to blanket ban someone for such actions. It s a case of weighing the offense to the punishment. the why is that if nothing is done ever, on the flimsy reason that perhaps in the past some people got off lightly, there is no incentive for people not to do it and for others not to "try" the hack. it spreads and kills the remaining small scene even more. This is my personal opinion as I no longer admin anything That's all reasonable and makes sense. I accept and agree with that. | ||
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krocan.cz
58 Posts
Nah, I was really, really angry. I am sure you know this feeling, but ofc, I know it wasn't nice from me at all. I sincerely apologize and I won't do it again. Sorry guys. | ||
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rusty23456
United States112 Posts
On May 21 2025 00:39 IvaNioX_twitch wrote: lol this is not complain about lag, this man is using third party or glitching the game causing massive lag. also, fyi: Global Bandwith (speedtest.net report) # Country Mbps 1 - Singapur 368,50 2 - Emiratos Árabes Unidos 318.63 3 - Hong Kong (RAE) 312.60 4 - Francia 308.01 5 - Islandia 306.22 6 - Estados Unidos 291.18 7 - Chile 290.06 8 - Dinamarca 259.41 9 +1 Suiza 256.91 10 -1 Porcelana 252.45 11 +8 Corea del Sur 251.63 12 -1 España 248.39 13 - Rumania 248.36 14 -2 Tailandia 245.93 15 -1 Canadá 243.87 16 -1 Israel 243.86 17 -1 Macao (RAE) 236.27 18 -1 Taiwán 235.40 19 +2 Países Bajos 223.48 20 -2 Japón 219.45 21 -1 Hungría 215.16 check ur ping (ms) speed to all the mentioned locations you posted. your list shows download speeds. this game doesn't run on download speed but ping speed. example: between your location and opponent location you need 125ms ping or lower for turn rate 24low. the lower the ping the less lag there is. your ping to a local area near you should be very low. link for this information https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/starcraft/t/turn-rates-matchmaking-and-you/519 | ||
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rusty23456
United States112 Posts
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Q~Bert
United States670 Posts
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote: You could. But why? There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that. Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream. It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere. What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter. But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own. I agree with Eon in the sense that you're awfully paranoid to a fault. You are correct that there is certainly stream sniping vs Artosis because he has such a large following and his animated reactions incentivize foul play. But again, these are just random ladder games with no actual bearing. Remember, the eyes see what you believe - not the other way around. Your mindset is prone to dismissing standard variance (BO advantages, scouting direction/timing, all in/gambles) as cheating. It's highly unlikely that it is remotely commonplace that devoted Starcraft players at our age are wasting their time cheating vs a random twitch streamer who garners less that 30 viewers. | ||
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Q~Bert
United States670 Posts
On May 21 2025 04:09 krocan.cz wrote: I strongly disagree with this post. It is not true and it is simply a lie. I am not 2100 Z, I am just 1800 Z. Nah, I was really, really angry. I am sure you know this feeling, but ofc, I know it wasn't nice from me at all. I sincerely apologize and I won't do it again. Sorry guys. It's 'sincerely' hilarious that you post an apology when there is a 95% likelihood that you created the Chad11 account just to troll Ivan when you're clearly in the wrong. When threats of you being disbanded from the tournament scene arise suddenly you are forthcoming with an apology. The true victims were Ivan's stream viewers. Why would you waste 30 minutes of your life finishing out a lag hack game that you've already won? Alt+F4 and rejoin ladder queue and move on. | ||
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