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who is JiriKara /Cipisek/ from CZ

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IvaNioX_twitch
Profile Joined August 2022
25 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-20 15:05:44
May 20 2025 14:31 GMT
#1
2100 Zerg, Hacker.
JiriKara
/Cipisek/



https://www.twitch.tv/ivaniox/clip/OutstandingMoldyGullHassaanChop-el_2a7TBbqxLxliX


why are you fu#$%&/%&/() destroying the ladder



seems he is
aP-Krocan (Cipisek#21484)}


https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2463705022 (full game)



https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/20/player/JiriKara (other handles |tSt~kRocAn| on Europe )
ChaD11
Profile Joined May 2025
2 Posts
May 20 2025 15:28 GMT
#2
Chilean complaining about lag, quite ironic lmao

YOU are destroying the ladder
IvaNioX_twitch
Profile Joined August 2022
25 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-20 15:41:27
May 20 2025 15:39 GMT
#3
lol

this is not complain about lag, this man is using third party or glitching the game causing massive lag.


also, fyi:
Global Bandwith (speedtest.net report)

# Country Mbps
1 - Singapur 368,50
2 - Emiratos Árabes Unidos 318.63
3 - Hong Kong (RAE) 312.60
4 - Francia 308.01
5 - Islandia 306.22
6 - Estados Unidos 291.18
7 - Chile 290.06
8 - Dinamarca 259.41
9 +1 Suiza 256.91
10 -1 Porcelana 252.45
11 +8 Corea del Sur 251.63
12 -1 España 248.39
13 - Rumania 248.36
14 -2 Tailandia 245.93
15 -1 Canadá 243.87
16 -1 Israel 243.86
17 -1 Macao (RAE) 236.27
18 -1 Taiwán 235.40
19 +2 Países Bajos 223.48
20 -2 Japón 219.45
21 -1 Hungría 215.16



ChaD11
Profile Joined May 2025
2 Posts
May 20 2025 15:52 GMT
#4
bandwith has nothing to do with latency, you lagging dumbfuck

just quit playing and annoying everyone

User was banned for this post.
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1169 Posts
May 20 2025 16:12 GMT
#5
Recently i faced the same laghack behavior from a barcode zerg, tho i couldn't find who was the retarded zerg there:
https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/11/player/lIIlIIlIIllIIl

The oppo was just sitting there waiting for me to leave, which I did, cause it's super bad experience.

Krocan is a well-known Czech zerg. These are some serious accusations.
That being said, it's not unbelievable :|
Leader of the Bulgarian National SCBW/SC2 team and team pSi.SCBW/SC2
radley
Profile Joined August 2008
Poland582 Posts
May 20 2025 16:24 GMT
#6
Chile has great bandwidth because normally they need to download whole internet before they can use it on local computer.
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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-20 16:29:13
May 20 2025 16:28 GMT
#7
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3470 Posts
May 20 2025 17:16 GMT
#8
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...
Horang2 fan
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
May 20 2025 18:08 GMT
#9
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.
yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany419 Posts
May 20 2025 18:10 GMT
#10
great, just let everyone hack then, dumbest community ever
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6834 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-20 18:33:24
May 20 2025 18:31 GMT
#11
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.


Well. This is not maphack but is still a very strong hack in my opinion and he is a piece of shit for using lag hack.

Also im pretty sure you can report this to blizzard with proof and they will ban his ass for sure.

About stream cheaters. That is harder to prove but i believe there was like 5 minutes delay on streams or something in tourneys. So that proly is enough to prevent it. + If you are stream cheating in Brood War man wtf are you doing with your life respectfuly. Like someone doing that shit is borderline a psychopath.

THAT SAID G5. There is a precedent of you calling people hackers for no reason too. And tbh you are from an ERA OF SC that was wild back then those PGTOUR hackers and shit. So maybe you carrying some PTSD and see hackers everywhere aswell. LOL

But yeah this guy Krocan really need to be punish for this shit. And if you tournaments organizers dont punish him this time atleast a warning is important.
IvaNioX_twitch
Profile Joined August 2022
25 Posts
May 20 2025 18:45 GMT
#12

Also im pretty sure you can report this to blizzard with proof and they will ban his ass for sure.


yes, but blizzard is afk.

nowadays a ban (-1 player) implies big damage to his team (aP - bwcl)


in my opinion the warning should be fine to stop that behaviour/hack...
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3470 Posts
May 20 2025 18:59 GMT
#13
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.


for me stream/snipe cheat is not quite the same as it is 100% preventable (just add a delay as yo usay) and not really a "hack" so much as being BM. Also as you say hard to prove. but a drophack/laghack is a much more serious step imo. you are conflating 2 very different problems.

Most people caught hacking usually got extended ban sentences up to over a decade in some cases. Most of them have served the sentence they received. I will agree with you that normally (I cannot talk about BSL here though) tournament organisers focus on hacks and cheats in their tournament and not on ladder due to mostly a lack of time. BSL having an actual qualifier on ladder might have a different view of this, understandably.

a laghack/drophack is a shitty thing to do but at the same time you d "see it" in a proper tournament settings so most likely it s a grey area as you say. now if it were a maphack, it would likely be instaban everywhere (there is admin level coordination behind the scenes on those cases).
However like everything it is a choice, it s well within any tournament rules and our capabilities to blanket ban someone for such actions. It s a case of weighing the offense to the punishment.

the why is that if nothing is done ever, on the flimsy reason that perhaps in the past some people got off lightly, there is no incentive for people not to do it and for others not to "try" the hack. it spreads and kills the remaining small scene even more.
This is my personal opinion as I no longer admin anything
Horang2 fan
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-20 19:14:02
May 20 2025 19:03 GMT
#14
On May 21 2025 03:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote:
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.


Well. This is not maphack but is still a very strong hack in my opinion and he is a piece of shit for using lag hack.

Also im pretty sure you can report this to blizzard with proof and they will ban his ass for sure.

About stream cheaters. That is harder to prove but i believe there was like 5 minutes delay on streams or something in tourneys. So that proly is enough to prevent it. + If you are stream cheating in Brood War man wtf are you doing with your life respectfuly. Like someone doing that shit is borderline a psychopath.

THAT SAID G5. There is a precedent of you calling people hackers for no reason too. And tbh you are from an ERA OF SC that was wild back then those PGTOUR hackers and shit. So maybe you carrying some PTSD and see hackers everywhere aswell. LOL

But yeah this guy Krocan really need to be punish for this shit. And if you tournaments organizers dont punish him this time atleast a warning is important.


Not all tournaments have 5+ minute stream delays. I could name more than a few that don't right now but I won't because I'm not trying to shame any tournament organizers or bash any tournaments. Just saying that a loooong delay should be mandatory in tournaments.

I'm not sure why you think theres a precedent of me calling people hackers for no reason. I've called into question maybe 2 people publicly over 25+ years and there were reasons both times. I don't just go out of nowhere and publicly accuse people of hacking. Maybe you're confusing me calling people lucky or stupid with me calling people hackers because I call people lucky and stupid plenty of the time.

Also, when you see certain players whom never get a BO loss on streams with no delay, or you tune into a guy like Artosis and watch him hit 100%+ more foreigners than anyone else queing up ladder and certain foreigners just happen to always get him and certain ones just happens to always "luck out" and decide to nexus first against him when they're cross map and shit like that, I don't know what is unfounded about thinking that those people probably are stream sniping / cheating. It's more than reasonable but because it isn't 100%, I never publicly say the names I personally think. So whatever.

But as I said, we can all have our opinions.
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
May 20 2025 19:06 GMT
#15
On May 21 2025 03:59 WGT-Baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote:
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.


for me stream/snipe cheat is not quite the same as it is 100% preventable (just add a delay as yo usay) and not really a "hack" so much as being BM. Also as you say hard to prove. but a drophack/laghack is a much more serious step imo. you are conflating 2 very different problems.

Most people caught hacking usually got extended ban sentences up to over a decade in some cases. Most of them have served the sentence they received. I will agree with you that normally (I cannot talk about BSL here though) tournament organisers focus on hacks and cheats in their tournament and not on ladder due to mostly a lack of time. BSL having an actual qualifier on ladder might have a different view of this, understandably.

a laghack/drophack is a shitty thing to do but at the same time you d "see it" in a proper tournament settings so most likely it s a grey area as you say. now if it were a maphack, it would likely be instaban everywhere (there is admin level coordination behind the scenes on those cases).
However like everything it is a choice, it s well within any tournament rules and our capabilities to blanket ban someone for such actions. It s a case of weighing the offense to the punishment.

the why is that if nothing is done ever, on the flimsy reason that perhaps in the past some people got off lightly, there is no incentive for people not to do it and for others not to "try" the hack. it spreads and kills the remaining small scene even more.
This is my personal opinion as I no longer admin anything


That's all reasonable and makes sense. I accept and agree with that.
krocan.cz
Profile Joined June 2015
58 Posts
May 20 2025 19:09 GMT
#16
I strongly disagree with this post. It is not true and it is simply a lie. I am not 2100 Z, I am just 1800 Z.

Nah, I was really, really angry. I am sure you know this feeling, but ofc, I know it wasn't nice from me at all.
I sincerely apologize and I won't do it again. Sorry guys.
rusty23456
Profile Joined September 2009
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-21 01:48:24
May 21 2025 01:40 GMT
#17
On May 21 2025 00:39 IvaNioX_twitch wrote:
lol

this is not complain about lag, this man is using third party or glitching the game causing massive lag.


also, fyi:
Global Bandwith (speedtest.net report)

# Country Mbps
1 - Singapur 368,50
2 - Emiratos Árabes Unidos 318.63
3 - Hong Kong (RAE) 312.60
4 - Francia 308.01
5 - Islandia 306.22
6 - Estados Unidos 291.18
7 - Chile 290.06
8 - Dinamarca 259.41
9 +1 Suiza 256.91
10 -1 Porcelana 252.45
11 +8 Corea del Sur 251.63
12 -1 España 248.39
13 - Rumania 248.36
14 -2 Tailandia 245.93
15 -1 Canadá 243.87
16 -1 Israel 243.86
17 -1 Macao (RAE) 236.27
18 -1 Taiwán 235.40
19 +2 Países Bajos 223.48
20 -2 Japón 219.45
21 -1 Hungría 215.16






check ur ping (ms) speed to all the mentioned locations you posted. your list shows download speeds. this game doesn't run on download speed but ping speed. example: between your location and opponent location you need 125ms ping or lower for turn rate 24low. the lower the ping the less lag there is. your ping to a local area near you should be very low.

link for this information https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/starcraft/t/turn-rates-matchmaking-and-you/519
rusty23456
Profile Joined September 2009
United States112 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-21 01:47:15
May 21 2025 01:46 GMT
#18

Q~Bert
Profile Joined June 2006
United States670 Posts
May 21 2025 14:21 GMT
#19
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.


I agree with Eon in the sense that you're awfully paranoid to a fault. You are correct that there is certainly stream sniping vs Artosis because he has such a large following and his animated reactions incentivize foul play. But again, these are just random ladder games with no actual bearing. Remember, the eyes see what you believe - not the other way around. Your mindset is prone to dismissing standard variance (BO advantages, scouting direction/timing, all in/gambles) as cheating. It's highly unlikely that it is remotely commonplace that devoted Starcraft players at our age are wasting their time cheating vs a random twitch streamer who garners less that 30 viewers.
aka: Yaj
Q~Bert
Profile Joined June 2006
United States670 Posts
May 21 2025 14:28 GMT
#20
On May 21 2025 04:09 krocan.cz wrote:
I strongly disagree with this post. It is not true and it is simply a lie. I am not 2100 Z, I am just 1800 Z.

Nah, I was really, really angry. I am sure you know this feeling, but ofc, I know it wasn't nice from me at all.
I sincerely apologize and I won't do it again. Sorry guys.


It's 'sincerely' hilarious that you post an apology when there is a 95% likelihood that you created the Chad11 account just to troll Ivan when you're clearly in the wrong. When threats of you being disbanded from the tournament scene arise suddenly you are forthcoming with an apology.

The true victims were Ivan's stream viewers. Why would you waste 30 minutes of your life finishing out a lag hack game that you've already won? Alt+F4 and rejoin ladder queue and move on.
aka: Yaj
LUCKY_NOOB
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Bulgaria1537 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-21 14:49:09
May 21 2025 14:39 GMT
#21
On May 21 2025 04:09 krocan.cz wrote:
I strongly disagree with this post. It is not true and it is simply a lie. I am not 2100 Z, I am just 1800 Z.

Nah, I was really, really angry. I am sure you know this feeling, but ofc, I know it wasn't nice from me at all.
I sincerely apologize and I won't do it again. Sorry guys.


Well... props for fessing up and apologizing! Can you please elaborate on the program or method used and all it's capabilities? I don't find anything with a simple google search but I know for a fact those things exist.

To the OP IvaNioX_twitch why didn't you drop him? Also are you using K-launcher to protect yourself from similar things?

As of writing this message the top account on ladder has Free Wins 50 (out of 57 games)
Opponent instant forefeits (87.72%) and 0 losses.

https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/30/player/JSU_veIy

[image loading]

Safe to assume it's also a lag or drop hack user on another scale. I check on ladder every few months or so there's always at least 1 account that has similar stats.

ko-fi.com/luckynoob
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-21 16:37:55
May 21 2025 16:36 GMT
#22
On May 21 2025 23:21 Q~Bert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote:
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.


I agree with Eon in the sense that you're awfully paranoid to a fault. You are correct that there is certainly stream sniping vs Artosis because he has such a large following and his animated reactions incentivize foul play. But again, these are just random ladder games with no actual bearing. Remember, the eyes see what you believe - not the other way around. Your mindset is prone to dismissing standard variance (BO advantages, scouting direction/timing, all in/gambles) as cheating. It's highly unlikely that it is remotely commonplace that devoted Starcraft players at our age are wasting their time cheating vs a random twitch streamer who garners less that 30 viewers.


You're simply wrong. I don't think I personally get stream sniped and I dont have that mindset at all. I don't think you understand how I think of the game at all actually. But then again, you're Yaj, a guy who lives for internet trolling and bm. So, who knows if you even believe the things you say. You're probably just trolling and peddling BS as usual.
EndingLife
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1600 Posts
May 21 2025 18:26 GMT
#23
Just missing SuGo (BSL6-Msitua) in the comments, eh G5?
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-21 19:50:30
May 21 2025 19:20 GMT
#24
On May 22 2025 03:26 EndingLife wrote:
Just missing SuGo (BSL6-Msitua) in the comments, eh G5?


Yeah, one of the two people I've accused publicly in 25+ years. What about it?
Q~Bert
Profile Joined June 2006
United States670 Posts
May 21 2025 21:53 GMT
#25
On May 22 2025 01:36 G5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 23:21 Q~Bert wrote:
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote:
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.


I agree with Eon in the sense that you're awfully paranoid to a fault. You are correct that there is certainly stream sniping vs Artosis because he has such a large following and his animated reactions incentivize foul play. But again, these are just random ladder games with no actual bearing. Remember, the eyes see what you believe - not the other way around. Your mindset is prone to dismissing standard variance (BO advantages, scouting direction/timing, all in/gambles) as cheating. It's highly unlikely that it is remotely commonplace that devoted Starcraft players at our age are wasting their time cheating vs a random twitch streamer who garners less that 30 viewers.


You're simply wrong. I don't think I personally get stream sniped and I dont have that mindset at all. I don't think you understand how I think of the game at all actually. But then again, you're Yaj, a guy who lives for internet trolling and bm. So, who knows if you even believe the things you say. You're probably just trolling and peddling BS as usual.


You've perfectly and concisely proven my exact point. It's not how you think about the game - it's your outlook in general. I was active in the Brood War scene out of pure nostalgia and yes, I enjoyed a bit of drama (mainly to kill some time during slow hours in the office/work) but this was 5-6 years ago. I think before today I've prob posted 5 times on TL in the last few years and yet you still harbor a one dimensional perception of who I am as if we are all still teenagers and do not evolve.
aka: Yaj
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
May 21 2025 22:03 GMT
#26
On May 22 2025 06:53 Q~Bert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2025 01:36 G5 wrote:
On May 21 2025 23:21 Q~Bert wrote:
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote:
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.


I agree with Eon in the sense that you're awfully paranoid to a fault. You are correct that there is certainly stream sniping vs Artosis because he has such a large following and his animated reactions incentivize foul play. But again, these are just random ladder games with no actual bearing. Remember, the eyes see what you believe - not the other way around. Your mindset is prone to dismissing standard variance (BO advantages, scouting direction/timing, all in/gambles) as cheating. It's highly unlikely that it is remotely commonplace that devoted Starcraft players at our age are wasting their time cheating vs a random twitch streamer who garners less that 30 viewers.


You're simply wrong. I don't think I personally get stream sniped and I dont have that mindset at all. I don't think you understand how I think of the game at all actually. But then again, you're Yaj, a guy who lives for internet trolling and bm. So, who knows if you even believe the things you say. You're probably just trolling and peddling BS as usual.


You've perfectly and concisely proven my exact point. It's not how you think about the game - it's your outlook in general. I was active in the Brood War scene out of pure nostalgia and yes, I enjoyed a bit of drama (mainly to kill some time during slow hours in the office/work) but this was 5-6 years ago. I think before today I've prob posted 5 times on TL in the last few years and yet you still harbor a one dimensional perception of who I am as if we are all still teenagers and do not evolve.


You know exactly the experience I've had with you and how you've treated me. What would make you think I would hold you in any other regard? I've seen nothing else.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5531 Posts
May 22 2025 01:23 GMT
#27
Lets settle this with a grudgematch. Anyone have chills contact info?
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Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland597 Posts
May 22 2025 08:47 GMT
#28
On May 21 2025 23:21 Q~Bert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote:
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.


I agree with Eon in the sense that you're awfully paranoid to a fault. You are correct that there is certainly stream sniping vs Artosis because he has such a large following and his animated reactions incentivize foul play. But again, these are just random ladder games with no actual bearing. Remember, the eyes see what you believe - not the other way around. Your mindset is prone to dismissing standard variance (BO advantages, scouting direction/timing, all in/gambles) as cheating. It's highly unlikely that it is remotely commonplace that devoted Starcraft players at our age are wasting their time cheating vs a random twitch streamer who garners less that 30 viewers.

At the same time, you can look at it from another perspective: why not use a tool to give yourself an edge in the game? There are plenty of tournaments with money, for one country bigger, for another lesser money. All it takes is to open a cast with no delay to give yourself a serious advantage. And there are hardly any risks when it comes to proving someone streamcheating (side note streamsnipe =/= streamcheat).
This could also be a cultural thing. In heroes of might and magic III, when playing a low MMR ranked game, I did not enter any password as a protection. I mean why, it's a totally meaningless game played only for fun. Then the guy opened the save, checked what I have etc. Essentially unsportsmanship behaviour. Was it my fault? No, I believe the guy acting dirty is in fault here. Could I have protected myself? Yes.
Another game, Disciples II, this time with money at stake. After defeating a certain person a couple of times, the person goes to such lenghts in map editing / streamcheating against me, that even an average viewer gets suspisious. On top of that, if we talk about time investment on the game, that person spent A LOT of time playing this game, even worked with the balance-team.

Anyway, my message is, give people an opportunity, and they will take it / use it. Don't be blindfolded by your own beliefs on the matter. I once also believed that it wouldn't make sense to cheat in an old game that you spent so much time on, even for money. I still like to believe that, but not to such a big degree.
Q~Bert
Profile Joined June 2006
United States670 Posts
May 22 2025 13:54 GMT
#29
On May 22 2025 17:47 Bonyth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2025 23:21 Q~Bert wrote:
On May 21 2025 03:08 G5 wrote:
On May 21 2025 02:16 WGT-Baal wrote:
On May 21 2025 01:28 G5 wrote:
After watching it and looking up cwal, it's pretty undeniable Krocan was lag hacking on ladder.

Krocan lag hacked, found out the other dude was streaming, then deleted that account.

Shitty thing to do and that shit definitely contributes to killing this game (even though it's already basically dead imo) but what can ya do about it. Hopefully he understands it's a piece of shit thing to do and it doesn't do it again.


well we could ban krocan from every single foreign tournament for starters...


You could. But why?

There are tons of ex-hackers in the community that play tournaments today and we're talking about hackers who hacked in tournaments. This dude is far from that.

Also, high profile foreign players stream snipe / stream cheat all the time and continue being able to play because it's not 100% provable. I feel it and see it quite often when I play or watch a tournament where there isn't a massive delay on the stream.

It is what it is and the community is so small, there's no point in banning players for shit like this. He got caught and probably won't do it again but who knows. The community is full of sweaty 30 year old dudes who do shitty things similar to this on the reg; especially amongst the competitive community. Just because it's not so black and white like it is with this guy doesn't mean it isn't happening everywhere.

What actually should happen is every single tournament organizer should legitimately have a 20 minute delay on their stream so POS like this and many, many others can't do anything to screw over people in games that actually somewhat matter.

But then again, that's my opinion. Everyone will have their own.


I agree with Eon in the sense that you're awfully paranoid to a fault. You are correct that there is certainly stream sniping vs Artosis because he has such a large following and his animated reactions incentivize foul play. But again, these are just random ladder games with no actual bearing. Remember, the eyes see what you believe - not the other way around. Your mindset is prone to dismissing standard variance (BO advantages, scouting direction/timing, all in/gambles) as cheating. It's highly unlikely that it is remotely commonplace that devoted Starcraft players at our age are wasting their time cheating vs a random twitch streamer who garners less that 30 viewers.

At the same time, you can look at it from another perspective: why not use a tool to give yourself an edge in the game? There are plenty of tournaments with money, for one country bigger, for another lesser money. All it takes is to open a cast with no delay to give yourself a serious advantage. And there are hardly any risks when it comes to proving someone streamcheating (side note streamsnipe =/= streamcheat).
This could also be a cultural thing. In heroes of might and magic III, when playing a low MMR ranked game, I did not enter any password as a protection. I mean why, it's a totally meaningless game played only for fun. Then the guy opened the save, checked what I have etc. Essentially unsportsmanship behaviour. Was it my fault? No, I believe the guy acting dirty is in fault here. Could I have protected myself? Yes.
Another game, Disciples II, this time with money at stake. After defeating a certain person a couple of times, the person goes to such lenghts in map editing / streamcheating against me, that even an average viewer gets suspisious. On top of that, if we talk about time investment on the game, that person spent A LOT of time playing this game, even worked with the balance-team.

Anyway, my message is, give people an opportunity, and they will take it / use it. Don't be blindfolded by your own beliefs on the matter. I once also believed that it wouldn't make sense to cheat in an old game that you spent so much time on, even for money. I still like to believe that, but not to such a big degree.


Well yes, of course but that is entirely different. I was exclusively referring to Starcraft since it's the only game I've ever competitively played as well as casual ladder streams. Without a doubt, when playing for money, protection is required and that is just common sense (but I believe all major tournaments are streamed on delay?).

Only the BSL Proleague would be major target for foul play. But if would be impossible for myself (a 2100 MMR active ladder player with many years of experience) to advance to the round of 4 while stream cheating without making it blatantly obvious. The top tier players could certainly gain a small edge with a quick peek to distinguish location/openings but I believe any foreign player that has reached and remained at the top did so through love and dedication to the game which coexists with integrity.

aka: Yaj
IvaNioX_twitch
Profile Joined August 2022
25 Posts
May 22 2025 14:02 GMT
#30
On May 21 2025 23:39 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:
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On May 21 2025 04:09 krocan.cz wrote:
I strongly disagree with this post. It is not true and it is simply a lie. I am not 2100 Z, I am just 1800 Z.

Nah, I was really, really angry. I am sure you know this feeling, but ofc, I know it wasn't nice from me at all.
I sincerely apologize and I won't do it again. Sorry guys.




To the OP IvaNioX_twitch why didn't you drop him? Also are you using K-launcher to protect yourself from similar things?


[image loading]

Safe to assume it's also a lag or drop hack user on another scale. I check on ladder every few months or so there's always at least 1 account that has similar stats.



I tried to drop him but i couldnt, i dont use k-launcher (where can i DL it? does it protect from those things?)

krocan got tilted when i killed a big mass of drones with ht dt drop, after that he "switched to massive lag" then inmediatly i turned on the stream and got what we see in the main post.
BlueStar
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Bulgaria1169 Posts
May 22 2025 14:18 GMT
#31
On May 21 2025 23:39 LUCKY_NOOB wrote:


Well... props for fessing up and apologizing! Can you please elaborate on the program or method used and all it's capabilities? I don't find anything with a simple google search but I know for a fact those things exist.


That's a valid question!
What capabilities does this program or method provide?
I imagine it's some software that blocks the opponent from dropping you and also makes you lag to hell. If it's just overloading your network, you'll get dropped... so it's something more for sure.
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