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United States1961 Posts
On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:On March 23 2024 16:32 goldensail wrote:On March 23 2024 07:30 Poopi wrote:
The most crazy thing though imo is the 4 GSL in a row, that’s a crazy feat especially as early as 2018-2019 where Terran wasn’t particularly strong. The most done in a row was 2, which is already impressive given how cut throat GSL was back in the days. TY was almost able to do three in a row but he did 2 in a year which is already a good feat, and even then he was relatively lucky to do it in 2020 short after Zerg nerfs / lots of TvT his best match-up.
The fact that every group (even those that are not labeled as group of death) in the GSL could eliminate a WC / GSL champion, like it happened to Rogue and so many others (or Reynor after he won WC…), is what makes the 4 victories in a row incredible.
Not only that, but Maru had to clutch a 4-3 victory against TvT master TY (present in this GOAT list at a very respectable spot) in an epic finals to even do 3 in a row.
And his 4th in a row was also impressive, because Classic was just murdering terrans left and right in this period iirc, with like 16w-1l record in the matchup.
But watching him play Terran like Zerg was mesmerizing and remind you why he was called the Fourth Race. ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows.  Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3.
By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname.
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On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:On March 23 2024 16:32 goldensail wrote:On March 23 2024 07:30 Poopi wrote:
The most crazy thing though imo is the 4 GSL in a row, that’s a crazy feat especially as early as 2018-2019 where Terran wasn’t particularly strong. The most done in a row was 2, which is already impressive given how cut throat GSL was back in the days. TY was almost able to do three in a row but he did 2 in a year which is already a good feat, and even then he was relatively lucky to do it in 2020 short after Zerg nerfs / lots of TvT his best match-up.
The fact that every group (even those that are not labeled as group of death) in the GSL could eliminate a WC / GSL champion, like it happened to Rogue and so many others (or Reynor after he won WC…), is what makes the 4 victories in a row incredible.
Not only that, but Maru had to clutch a 4-3 victory against TvT master TY (present in this GOAT list at a very respectable spot) in an epic finals to even do 3 in a row.
And his 4th in a row was also impressive, because Classic was just murdering terrans left and right in this period iirc, with like 16w-1l record in the matchup.
But watching him play Terran like Zerg was mesmerizing and remind you why he was called the Fourth Race. ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname.
It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway.
Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is.
I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. "Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname...
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United States1961 Posts
On March 24 2024 00:42 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:On March 23 2024 16:32 goldensail wrote:On March 23 2024 07:30 Poopi wrote:
The most crazy thing though imo is the 4 GSL in a row, that’s a crazy feat especially as early as 2018-2019 where Terran wasn’t particularly strong. The most done in a row was 2, which is already impressive given how cut throat GSL was back in the days. TY was almost able to do three in a row but he did 2 in a year which is already a good feat, and even then he was relatively lucky to do it in 2020 short after Zerg nerfs / lots of TvT his best match-up.
The fact that every group (even those that are not labeled as group of death) in the GSL could eliminate a WC / GSL champion, like it happened to Rogue and so many others (or Reynor after he won WC…), is what makes the 4 victories in a row incredible.
Not only that, but Maru had to clutch a 4-3 victory against TvT master TY (present in this GOAT list at a very respectable spot) in an epic finals to even do 3 in a row.
And his 4th in a row was also impressive, because Classic was just murdering terrans left and right in this period iirc, with like 16w-1l record in the matchup.
But watching him play Terran like Zerg was mesmerizing and remind you why he was called the Fourth Race. ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname. It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway. Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is. I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. "Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname...
No main white walker and the term white walker is rarely used in the books compared to their more common name "the Others".
From the wiki: "There are notable differences between the Others in the novels and HBO's television adaptation, Game of Thrones. In the television adaptation, the Others are known only as White Walkers."
The easiest way to explain Maru's situation in 2014 is to read this article which covers his 2014 campaign.
https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/551328-who-is-the-best
"Terrans won a mere 42 games during the first two seasons of Code S, with Maru responsible for over half of them at 23 (in terms of matches, he won nine out of Terran's sixteen)."
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Northern Ireland27415 Posts
On March 24 2024 00:42 Balnazza wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:On March 23 2024 16:32 goldensail wrote:On March 23 2024 07:30 Poopi wrote:
The most crazy thing though imo is the 4 GSL in a row, that’s a crazy feat especially as early as 2018-2019 where Terran wasn’t particularly strong. The most done in a row was 2, which is already impressive given how cut throat GSL was back in the days. TY was almost able to do three in a row but he did 2 in a year which is already a good feat, and even then he was relatively lucky to do it in 2020 short after Zerg nerfs / lots of TvT his best match-up.
The fact that every group (even those that are not labeled as group of death) in the GSL could eliminate a WC / GSL champion, like it happened to Rogue and so many others (or Reynor after he won WC…), is what makes the 4 victories in a row incredible.
Not only that, but Maru had to clutch a 4-3 victory against TvT master TY (present in this GOAT list at a very respectable spot) in an epic finals to even do 3 in a row.
And his 4th in a row was also impressive, because Classic was just murdering terrans left and right in this period iirc, with like 16w-1l record in the matchup.
But watching him play Terran like Zerg was mesmerizing and remind you why he was called the Fourth Race. ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname. It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway. Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is. I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. " Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname...
Lmao it really would
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On March 24 2024 00:56 Mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 00:42 Balnazza wrote:On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:On March 23 2024 16:32 goldensail wrote:On March 23 2024 07:30 Poopi wrote:
The most crazy thing though imo is the 4 GSL in a row, that’s a crazy feat especially as early as 2018-2019 where Terran wasn’t particularly strong. The most done in a row was 2, which is already impressive given how cut throat GSL was back in the days. TY was almost able to do three in a row but he did 2 in a year which is already a good feat, and even then he was relatively lucky to do it in 2020 short after Zerg nerfs / lots of TvT his best match-up.
The fact that every group (even those that are not labeled as group of death) in the GSL could eliminate a WC / GSL champion, like it happened to Rogue and so many others (or Reynor after he won WC…), is what makes the 4 victories in a row incredible.
Not only that, but Maru had to clutch a 4-3 victory against TvT master TY (present in this GOAT list at a very respectable spot) in an epic finals to even do 3 in a row.
And his 4th in a row was also impressive, because Classic was just murdering terrans left and right in this period iirc, with like 16w-1l record in the matchup.
But watching him play Terran like Zerg was mesmerizing and remind you why he was called the Fourth Race. ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname. It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway. Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is. I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. "Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname... The easiest way to explain Maru's situation in 2014 is to read this article which covers his 2014 campaign. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/551328-who-is-the-best"Terrans won a mere 42 games during the first two seasons of Code S, with Maru responsible for over half of them at 23 (in terms of matches, he won nine out of Terran's sixteen)."
Wait, that article's from 2019.
And written by you!
I'm not even mad, that's amazing.
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On March 24 2024 00:56 Mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 00:42 Balnazza wrote:On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:On March 23 2024 16:32 goldensail wrote:On March 23 2024 07:30 Poopi wrote:
The most crazy thing though imo is the 4 GSL in a row, that’s a crazy feat especially as early as 2018-2019 where Terran wasn’t particularly strong. The most done in a row was 2, which is already impressive given how cut throat GSL was back in the days. TY was almost able to do three in a row but he did 2 in a year which is already a good feat, and even then he was relatively lucky to do it in 2020 short after Zerg nerfs / lots of TvT his best match-up.
The fact that every group (even those that are not labeled as group of death) in the GSL could eliminate a WC / GSL champion, like it happened to Rogue and so many others (or Reynor after he won WC…), is what makes the 4 victories in a row incredible.
Not only that, but Maru had to clutch a 4-3 victory against TvT master TY (present in this GOAT list at a very respectable spot) in an epic finals to even do 3 in a row.
And his 4th in a row was also impressive, because Classic was just murdering terrans left and right in this period iirc, with like 16w-1l record in the matchup.
But watching him play Terran like Zerg was mesmerizing and remind you why he was called the Fourth Race. ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname. It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway. Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is. I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. "Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname... No main white walker and the term white walker is rarely used in the books compared to their more common name "the Others". From the wiki: "There are notable differences between the Others in the novels and HBO's television adaptation, Game of Thrones. In the television adaptation, the Others are known only as White Walkers." The easiest way to explain Maru's situation in 2014 is to read this article which covers his 2014 campaign. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/551328-who-is-the-best"Terrans won a mere 42 games during the first two seasons of Code S, with Maru responsible for over half of them at 23 (in terms of matches, he won nine out of Terran's sixteen)."
Like I said though, it's a bit lopsided because the only other competitive terran in the region at the time was innovation and he was going through one of his slumps at the start of 2014. At the WCG 2014 blizzcon global finals there are 6 terrans, 6 protoss, 4 zerg. Two terrans in the top4. Both not playing in GSL. The best terrans in the world are missing in GSL to some degree in 2014. (Taeja, Bomber, Polt, MMA.)
IEM Katowice 2014 has 3 terrans in the top8, 2 terrans in the top4. All of them not from the KR Region.
Both Dreamhack winter and summer are won by terrans, all not from the kr region.
And innovation wins gsl season 3 in 2014 after he awakens from his slumber. Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race.
In the TL.net awards for best korean terrans in 2014, maru isn't even mentioned. Taeja wins it, innovation, bomber, polt and forgg are mentioned too, and rightfully so.
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On March 24 2024 02:14 Comedy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 00:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:42 Balnazza wrote:On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:On March 23 2024 16:32 goldensail wrote:
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But watching him play Terran like Zerg was mesmerizing and remind you why he was called the Fourth Race. ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname. It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway. Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is. I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. "Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname... No main white walker and the term white walker is rarely used in the books compared to their more common name "the Others". From the wiki: "There are notable differences between the Others in the novels and HBO's television adaptation, Game of Thrones. In the television adaptation, the Others are known only as White Walkers." The easiest way to explain Maru's situation in 2014 is to read this article which covers his 2014 campaign. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/551328-who-is-the-best"Terrans won a mere 42 games during the first two seasons of Code S, with Maru responsible for over half of them at 23 (in terms of matches, he won nine out of Terran's sixteen)." Like I said though, it's a bit lopsided because the only other competitive terran in the region at the time was innovation and he was going through one of his slumps at the start of 2014. At the WCG 2014 blizzcon global finals there are 6 terrans, 6 protoss, 4 zerg. Two terrans in the top4. Both not playing in GSL. The best terrans in the world are missing in GSL to some degree in 2014. (Taeja, Bomber, Polt, MMA.) IEM Katowice 2014 has 3 terrans in the top8, 2 terrans in the top4. All of them not from the KR Region. Both Dreamhack winter and summer are won by terrans, all not from the kr region. And innovation wins gsl season 3 in 2014 after he awakens from his slumber. Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race. In the TL.net awards for best korean terrans in 2014, maru isn't even mentioned. Taeja wins it, innovation, bomber, polt and forgg are mentioned too, and rightfully so.
GSL 2013 season 3 had 11 terrans  2013 WCS Season 3 Korea GSL/Premier
GSL 2014 season 3 had 7 terrans 2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code S
The notion that there just weren't any good terran is bullshit, the representation was a direct result of patches.
Also Inno won season 3 after terran was buffed.
TaeJa missing is a valid point but Polt, Bomber and MMA weren't necessarily better than Flash, Bbbyong, Gumiho, Cure, TY, Dream, they were just competing in an easier region
Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race.
Yeah, you're just wrong
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United States1961 Posts
On March 24 2024 02:10 Fanatic-Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 00:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:42 Balnazza wrote:On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:On March 23 2024 16:32 goldensail wrote:
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But watching him play Terran like Zerg was mesmerizing and remind you why he was called the Fourth Race. ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname. It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway. Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is. I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. "Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname... The easiest way to explain Maru's situation in 2014 is to read this article which covers his 2014 campaign. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/551328-who-is-the-best"Terrans won a mere 42 games during the first two seasons of Code S, with Maru responsible for over half of them at 23 (in terms of matches, he won nine out of Terran's sixteen)." Wait, that article's from 2019. And written by you! I'm not even mad, that's amazing.
Been putting that work in since 2017.
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On March 24 2024 02:57 Mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 02:10 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On March 24 2024 00:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:42 Balnazza wrote:On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:
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ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname. It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway. Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is. I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. "Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname... The easiest way to explain Maru's situation in 2014 is to read this article which covers his 2014 campaign. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/551328-who-is-the-best"Terrans won a mere 42 games during the first two seasons of Code S, with Maru responsible for over half of them at 23 (in terms of matches, he won nine out of Terran's sixteen)." Wait, that article's from 2019. And written by you! I'm not even mad, that's amazing. Been putting that work in since 2017.
And I am grateful for your work!
But in this case, I was amazed that you were citing yourself as supporting argument  .
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Show nested quote +Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race. Yeah, you're just wrong
Yeah no, even the TL.net awards of 2014 agree with me. Some of those terrans you mentioned probably belonged in code s, but if you look at who they lost to, it's not that weird either. Terrans like Polt, MMA, Bomber, Taeja were definitely considered a league above the guys you just mentioned.
Gumiho didnt become a complete player till way later, in lotv. TY, Cure, Dream were all very talented players but didn't reach their later level at all yet in 2014.
Taeja slammed Life to win dreamhack winter 2013 on the same patch that GSL season 1 2014 was played on.
The only patch there was was a widow mine nerf, which then widow mines get a buff again later in the year.
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On March 24 2024 02:14 Comedy wrote:
Like I said though, it's a bit lopsided because the only other competitive terran in the region at the time was innovation and he was going through one of his slumps at the start of 2014. At the WCG 2014 blizzcon global finals there are 6 terrans, 6 protoss, 4 zerg. Two terrans in the top4. Both not playing in GSL. The best terrans in the world are missing in GSL to some degree in 2014. (Taeja, Bomber, Polt, MMA.)
IEM Katowice 2014 has 3 terrans in the top8, 2 terrans in the top4. All of them not from the KR Region.
Both Dreamhack winter and summer are won by terrans, all not from the kr region.
And innovation wins gsl season 3 in 2014 after he awakens from his slumber. Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race.
In the TL.net awards for best korean terrans in 2014, maru isn't even mentioned. Taeja wins it, innovation, bomber, polt and forgg are mentioned too, and rightfully so.
I don't usually like to use harsh words, but for someone who claims he's been following the game for a long time but thought I "made up" Maru's famous Fourth Race nickname, you should just stop embarassing yourself.
Here's a video from 2014 GSL S2 where Maru's the only Terran who made it to RO8, after he took out Soulkey in a great series you can hear Artosis referring to him as "the Terran to lead them all" at 15:09.
www.youtube.com
Obviously he also took out Innovation 4:0 and won OSL the year before. So Maru was certainly already one of the best Terrans when he was only 16 years old.
Please watch some games from that period before you type a response.
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On March 24 2024 03:18 goldensail wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 02:14 Comedy wrote:
Like I said though, it's a bit lopsided because the only other competitive terran in the region at the time was innovation and he was going through one of his slumps at the start of 2014. At the WCG 2014 blizzcon global finals there are 6 terrans, 6 protoss, 4 zerg. Two terrans in the top4. Both not playing in GSL. The best terrans in the world are missing in GSL to some degree in 2014. (Taeja, Bomber, Polt, MMA.)
IEM Katowice 2014 has 3 terrans in the top8, 2 terrans in the top4. All of them not from the KR Region.
Both Dreamhack winter and summer are won by terrans, all not from the kr region.
And innovation wins gsl season 3 in 2014 after he awakens from his slumber. Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race.
In the TL.net awards for best korean terrans in 2014, maru isn't even mentioned. Taeja wins it, innovation, bomber, polt and forgg are mentioned too, and rightfully so.
I don't usually like to use harsh words, but for someone who claims he's been following the game for a long time but thought I "made up" Maru's famous Fourth Race nickname, you should just stop embarassing yourself. Here's a video from 2014 GSL S2 where Maru's the only Terran who made it to RO8, after he took out Soulkey in a great series you can hear Artosis referring to him as "the Terran to lead them all" at 15:09. www.youtube.comObviously he also took out Innovation 4:0 the year before. So while there was no consensus at the time, Maru was certainly already one of the best Terrans when he was only 16 years old. Please watch some games from that period before you type a response.
I'm talking about community sentiment. It's entirely possible that people who followed only the korean scene thought of maru as the best terran, but that wasn't exactly the sentiment in the entire scene at the time. Maru was a good terran but he was by no means seperating himself from the other terrans winning tons of tournaments all year around, notably Taeja. The nickname is ridiculous when you compare it to moon and what he did to earn that nickname.
He may have been the leading terran in GSL, but he wasn't the leading terran in the world.
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On March 24 2024 03:20 Comedy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 03:18 goldensail wrote:On March 24 2024 02:14 Comedy wrote:
Like I said though, it's a bit lopsided because the only other competitive terran in the region at the time was innovation and he was going through one of his slumps at the start of 2014. At the WCG 2014 blizzcon global finals there are 6 terrans, 6 protoss, 4 zerg. Two terrans in the top4. Both not playing in GSL. The best terrans in the world are missing in GSL to some degree in 2014. (Taeja, Bomber, Polt, MMA.)
IEM Katowice 2014 has 3 terrans in the top8, 2 terrans in the top4. All of them not from the KR Region.
Both Dreamhack winter and summer are won by terrans, all not from the kr region.
And innovation wins gsl season 3 in 2014 after he awakens from his slumber. Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race.
In the TL.net awards for best korean terrans in 2014, maru isn't even mentioned. Taeja wins it, innovation, bomber, polt and forgg are mentioned too, and rightfully so.
I don't usually like to use harsh words, but for someone who claims he's been following the game for a long time but thought I "made up" Maru's famous Fourth Race nickname, you should just stop embarassing yourself. Here's a video from 2014 GSL S2 where Maru's the only Terran who made it to RO8, after he took out Soulkey in a great series you can hear Artosis referring to him as "the Terran to lead them all" at 15:09. www.youtube.comObviously he also took out Innovation 4:0 the year before. So while there was no consensus at the time, Maru was certainly already one of the best Terrans when he was only 16 years old. Please watch some games from that period before you type a response. I'm talking about community sentiment. It's entirely possible that people who followed only the korean scene thought of maru as the best terran, but that wasn't exactly the sentiment in the entire scene at the time. Maru was a good terran but he was by no means seperating himself from the other terrans winning tons of tournaments all year around, notably Taeja. The nickname is ridiculous when you compare it to moon and what he did to earn that nickname. He may have been the leading terran in GSL, but he wasn't the leading terran in the world.
I've been also following the scene for quite a while and I remember this term being used a bunch. So no idea why you didn't. The more I see your points the more I think you're a relatively new spectator because for most of the game's history, and specifically at the germane times for this discussion, gsl was THE tournament to win.
The taeja point is funny considering he wasn't known for winning "all year round." Did you also not hear about the "summer of taeja?"
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It's funny that the evidence for Maru being strong in a period of Terran weakness in 2014 is the exact opposite of that same argument in 2018, yet the conclusion remains the same.
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On March 24 2024 03:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
It's funny that the evidence for Maru being strong in a period of Terran weakness in 2014 is the exact opposite of that same argument in 2018, yet the conclusion remains the same.
I mean he was the only terran in the ro8 in the first gsl of 2018
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On March 24 2024 03:55 lokol4890 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 03:39 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
It's funny that the evidence for Maru being strong in a period of Terran weakness in 2014 is the exact opposite of that same argument in 2018, yet the conclusion remains the same. I mean he was the only terran in the ro8 in the first gsl of 2018
True, but that's balanced out by Terran doing very well (or alternatively, Zerg doing terrible) in the other two. I've added up the number of players by race in 2018 for any given round of GSL, and Terran is not the least represented in any of them.
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On March 24 2024 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 02:14 Comedy wrote:On March 24 2024 00:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:42 Balnazza wrote:On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:
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ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname. It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway. Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is. I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. "Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname... No main white walker and the term white walker is rarely used in the books compared to their more common name "the Others". From the wiki: "There are notable differences between the Others in the novels and HBO's television adaptation, Game of Thrones. In the television adaptation, the Others are known only as White Walkers." The easiest way to explain Maru's situation in 2014 is to read this article which covers his 2014 campaign. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/551328-who-is-the-best"Terrans won a mere 42 games during the first two seasons of Code S, with Maru responsible for over half of them at 23 (in terms of matches, he won nine out of Terran's sixteen)." Like I said though, it's a bit lopsided because the only other competitive terran in the region at the time was innovation and he was going through one of his slumps at the start of 2014. At the WCG 2014 blizzcon global finals there are 6 terrans, 6 protoss, 4 zerg. Two terrans in the top4. Both not playing in GSL. The best terrans in the world are missing in GSL to some degree in 2014. (Taeja, Bomber, Polt, MMA.) IEM Katowice 2014 has 3 terrans in the top8, 2 terrans in the top4. All of them not from the KR Region. Both Dreamhack winter and summer are won by terrans, all not from the kr region. And innovation wins gsl season 3 in 2014 after he awakens from his slumber. Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race. In the TL.net awards for best korean terrans in 2014, maru isn't even mentioned. Taeja wins it, innovation, bomber, polt and forgg are mentioned too, and rightfully so. GSL 2013 season 3 had 11 terrans 2013 WCS Season 3 Korea GSL/PremierGSL 2014 season 3 had 7 terrans 2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code SThe notion that there just weren't any good terran is bullshit, the representation was a direct result of patches. Also Inno won season 3 after terran was buffed. TaeJa missing is a valid point but Polt, Bomber and MMA weren't necessarily better than Flash, Bbbyong, Gumiho, Cure, TY, Dream, they were just competing in an easier region Show nested quote +Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race. Yeah, you're just wrong
lol this is just pure lie.
Cure was not good at all in 2014. Bbbyong is better than Polt bomber and mma? I know you are a diehard Maru fan but come on now, some of these statement are just pure lie and a disservice to the old terran legends. Bbbyong should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as those guys.
Yes no one mentioned Maru as the best terran in any period of time pre 2018. It’s just a nickname the fanbase use to boost their fav Maru
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On March 24 2024 08:41 Mmakorea wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:On March 24 2024 02:14 Comedy wrote:On March 24 2024 00:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:42 Balnazza wrote:On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:
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He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015.
maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname. It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway. Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is. I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. "Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname... No main white walker and the term white walker is rarely used in the books compared to their more common name "the Others". From the wiki: "There are notable differences between the Others in the novels and HBO's television adaptation, Game of Thrones. In the television adaptation, the Others are known only as White Walkers." The easiest way to explain Maru's situation in 2014 is to read this article which covers his 2014 campaign. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/551328-who-is-the-best"Terrans won a mere 42 games during the first two seasons of Code S, with Maru responsible for over half of them at 23 (in terms of matches, he won nine out of Terran's sixteen)." Like I said though, it's a bit lopsided because the only other competitive terran in the region at the time was innovation and he was going through one of his slumps at the start of 2014. At the WCG 2014 blizzcon global finals there are 6 terrans, 6 protoss, 4 zerg. Two terrans in the top4. Both not playing in GSL. The best terrans in the world are missing in GSL to some degree in 2014. (Taeja, Bomber, Polt, MMA.) IEM Katowice 2014 has 3 terrans in the top8, 2 terrans in the top4. All of them not from the KR Region. Both Dreamhack winter and summer are won by terrans, all not from the kr region. And innovation wins gsl season 3 in 2014 after he awakens from his slumber. Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race. In the TL.net awards for best korean terrans in 2014, maru isn't even mentioned. Taeja wins it, innovation, bomber, polt and forgg are mentioned too, and rightfully so. GSL 2013 season 3 had 11 terrans 2013 WCS Season 3 Korea GSL/PremierGSL 2014 season 3 had 7 terrans 2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code SThe notion that there just weren't any good terran is bullshit, the representation was a direct result of patches. Also Inno won season 3 after terran was buffed. TaeJa missing is a valid point but Polt, Bomber and MMA weren't necessarily better than Flash, Bbbyong, Gumiho, Cure, TY, Dream, they were just competing in an easier region Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race. Yeah, you're just wrong lol this is just pure lie. Cure was not good at all in 2014. Bbbyong is better than Polt bomber and mma? I know you are a diehard Maru fan but come on now, some of these statement are just pure lie and a disservice to the old terran legends. Bbbyong should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as those guys. Yes no one mentioned Maru as the best terran in any period of time pre 2018. It’s just a nickname the fanbase use to boost their fav Maru
People sleep on Bomber a bit, in 2013 he made a top 4 in OSL, won the subsequent WCS Season Finals and made the top 4 in that year's Blizzcon.
He was still a very strong player I think a little longer than people realise. Innovation did it very quickly, or a Rain but it actually took quite some time for the Kespa field overall to equal/surpass the field of top players from the time they transitioned, and not everyone did.
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On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:On March 23 2024 20:31 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 20:25 Comedy wrote:On March 23 2024 16:32 goldensail wrote:On March 23 2024 07:30 Poopi wrote:
The most crazy thing though imo is the 4 GSL in a row, that’s a crazy feat especially as early as 2018-2019 where Terran wasn’t particularly strong. The most done in a row was 2, which is already impressive given how cut throat GSL was back in the days. TY was almost able to do three in a row but he did 2 in a year which is already a good feat, and even then he was relatively lucky to do it in 2020 short after Zerg nerfs / lots of TvT his best match-up.
The fact that every group (even those that are not labeled as group of death) in the GSL could eliminate a WC / GSL champion, like it happened to Rogue and so many others (or Reynor after he won WC…), is what makes the 4 victories in a row incredible.
Not only that, but Maru had to clutch a 4-3 victory against TvT master TY (present in this GOAT list at a very respectable spot) in an epic finals to even do 3 in a row.
And his 4th in a row was also impressive, because Classic was just murdering terrans left and right in this period iirc, with like 16w-1l record in the matchup.
But watching him play Terran like Zerg was mesmerizing and remind you why he was called the Fourth Race. ive never heard anyone call maru the fourth race. is this just completly made up? He got the nickname in 2014 because Terran was dogshit. It's because of this nickname and his success relative to other Terrans that SSL used the "Y the last man" as his image for Season 3 of SSL in 2015. maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race.
I second the opinion that Serral's nickname absolutely sucks. I died a little inside every time I heard "The Finnisher"
Chinese sc2 fans had a fantastic nickname for Serral tho: "The Overmind". Because they think Serral's scouting, control and multitasking are so good it feels like he's just directly controlling every Zerg units with shared hivemind like the Overmind itself.
Every time Serral got defeated and comeback stronger, they joke that the Overmind was just temporarily back to the Evolve Chamber.
It should be the default nickname for Serral.
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On March 24 2024 08:54 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2024 08:41 Mmakorea wrote:On March 24 2024 02:47 Charoisaur wrote:On March 24 2024 02:14 Comedy wrote:On March 24 2024 00:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:42 Balnazza wrote:On March 24 2024 00:37 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 24 2024 00:20 Balnazza wrote:On March 23 2024 21:56 Mizenhauer wrote:On March 23 2024 21:23 jack_less wrote:[quote] maru is called "Fourth Race". but what is Serral called? i think it starts with "go" and ends with " at". i just can't figure it out. maybe someone knows. Liquipedia lists the following monikers for Serral: The Finnisher, Finnish Phenom, The Night King and Lord of The Curcuit, all of which are demonstrably worse and less creative than the fourth race. "The Night King" is fitting, creative and actually lines up with previous famous nicknames like "The Emperor" (BoxeR), "The Tyrant" (Jaedong) or simply "God" (Flash). Though sure, no one will ever be able to beat "The Creator Of All Things" (NesTea). "The Fourth Race" is just a poor switch-up from Moon, who actually deserved his nickname "The Fifth Race" because of the way he played his certainly not weak race in WC3. By the same logic, the night king was stolen from a character on a tv show which isn't even in the books. Garbo nickname. It wasn't? What did they call the main White Walker in the book? ...is there even a "main White Walker"? Anyway. Of course you can re-use nicknames, especially over different games. It just feels like there is such a big discrepancy between Moon and Maru when it comes to how fitting the name is. I will admit though: I am right now extremly pissed that Maru isn't Protoss. "Marude Psistorm" would have been such a great nickname... No main white walker and the term white walker is rarely used in the books compared to their more common name "the Others". From the wiki: "There are notable differences between the Others in the novels and HBO's television adaptation, Game of Thrones. In the television adaptation, the Others are known only as White Walkers." The easiest way to explain Maru's situation in 2014 is to read this article which covers his 2014 campaign. https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/551328-who-is-the-best"Terrans won a mere 42 games during the first two seasons of Code S, with Maru responsible for over half of them at 23 (in terms of matches, he won nine out of Terran's sixteen)." Like I said though, it's a bit lopsided because the only other competitive terran in the region at the time was innovation and he was going through one of his slumps at the start of 2014. At the WCG 2014 blizzcon global finals there are 6 terrans, 6 protoss, 4 zerg. Two terrans in the top4. Both not playing in GSL. The best terrans in the world are missing in GSL to some degree in 2014. (Taeja, Bomber, Polt, MMA.) IEM Katowice 2014 has 3 terrans in the top8, 2 terrans in the top4. All of them not from the KR Region. Both Dreamhack winter and summer are won by terrans, all not from the kr region. And innovation wins gsl season 3 in 2014 after he awakens from his slumber. Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race. In the TL.net awards for best korean terrans in 2014, maru isn't even mentioned. Taeja wins it, innovation, bomber, polt and forgg are mentioned too, and rightfully so. GSL 2013 season 3 had 11 terrans 2013 WCS Season 3 Korea GSL/PremierGSL 2014 season 3 had 7 terrans 2014 Global StarCraft II League Season 3/Code SThe notion that there just weren't any good terran is bullshit, the representation was a direct result of patches. Also Inno won season 3 after terran was buffed. TaeJa missing is a valid point but Polt, Bomber and MMA weren't necessarily better than Flash, Bbbyong, Gumiho, Cure, TY, Dream, they were just competing in an easier region Nobody even thought of maru as the best terran in 2014, let alone being worthy of the nickname the fourth race. Yeah, you're just wrong lol this is just pure lie. Cure was not good at all in 2014. Bbbyong is better than Polt bomber and mma? I know you are a diehard Maru fan but come on now, some of these statement are just pure lie and a disservice to the old terran legends. Bbbyong should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as those guys. Yes no one mentioned Maru as the best terran in any period of time pre 2018. It’s just a nickname the fanbase use to boost their fav Maru People sleep on Bomber a bit, in 2013 he made a top 4 in OSL, won the subsequent WCS Season Finals and made the top 4 in that year's Blizzcon. He was still a very strong player I think a little longer than people realise. Innovation did it very quickly, or a Rain but it actually took quite some time for the Kespa field overall to equal/surpass the field of top players from the time they transitioned, and not everyone did.
I remember Bomber as having some brilliant games or streaks of games to the point where he had the briefest flashes of looking like he could be the best in the world when he was on his A-Game. The problem was that incarnation of Bomber showed up to tournaments less often than choking/slumping Bomber did.
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