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On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 07:59 Nakajin wrote:On November 04 2019 07:57 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 06:18 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is still the best player on the planet. Dark is probably number two though. Reynor is a top 10 player who for some reason is especially good vs Serral. Serral is not the best player in the world. Best players in the world don't lose to a 17 year old greenhorn, BLIZZCON rookie, and player who cannot even get past ro.32 in the GSL Code S, on the biggest stage. Lose to the same player whom Dark utterly dominated. Serral probably wouldve lost to beast mode Classic too. I'd bet on Classic anyway Serral fans have to come to terms with reality. Dark slaughtered the best players in the world en route to the world champion title. Serral is losing big tournaments to soo, innovation, and stats, when Dark just rolls over them with ease. The fact that Dark won Code S (first for zerg in lotv) and super tournament as well, AND had the most GSL points, means that Dark wasnt just on a hot streak either. First seed in the GSL AND Blizzcon. 2019 Dark is god mode. I mean Dark had the best year but didn't have an insane year either. Just a particularly good end of the year including an amazing Blizzcon (in a favorable meta) Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta? "heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven...
All the VODs are in youtube, feel free to post more than two of him using the broken raven from any of his GSL runs. Right now you're churning six starleague down to two games.
As far as proxies go, the key word is heavily, sure he proxies the odd game here and there, but he only went hard in 2018 S3. Proxying once or twice every few series (when it wasn't even meta or proxy) is a far cry from "abusing imba proxies". Like I said, he won two GSLs before proxies were meta, and won the season after it without doing it once.
Shaking up builds is something good players do when they aren't reliant on one particular strategy btw.
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Czech Republic12128 Posts
On November 05 2019 00:29 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 07:59 Nakajin wrote:On November 04 2019 07:57 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 06:18 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is still the best player on the planet. Dark is probably number two though. Reynor is a top 10 player who for some reason is especially good vs Serral. Serral is not the best player in the world. Best players in the world don't lose to a 17 year old greenhorn, BLIZZCON rookie, and player who cannot even get past ro.32 in the GSL Code S, on the biggest stage. Lose to the same player whom Dark utterly dominated. Serral probably wouldve lost to beast mode Classic too. I'd bet on Classic anyway Serral fans have to come to terms with reality. Dark slaughtered the best players in the world en route to the world champion title. Serral is losing big tournaments to soo, innovation, and stats, when Dark just rolls over them with ease. The fact that Dark won Code S (first for zerg in lotv) and super tournament as well, AND had the most GSL points, means that Dark wasnt just on a hot streak either. First seed in the GSL AND Blizzcon. 2019 Dark is god mode. I mean Dark had the best year but didn't have an insane year either. Just a particularly good end of the year including an amazing Blizzcon (in a favorable meta) Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta? "heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven... All the VODs are in youtube, feel free to post more than two of him using the broken raven from any of his GSL runs. Right now you're churning six starleague down to two games. As far as proxies go, the key word is heavily, sure he proxies the odd game here and there, but he only went hard in 2018 S3. Proxying once or twice every few series (when it wasn't even meta or proxy) is a far cry from "abusing imba proxies". Like I said, he won two GSLs before proxies were meta, and won the season after it without doing it once. Shaking up builds is something good players do when they aren't reliant on one particular strategy btw.
Nice try but it's useless as they believe Maru won only by playing proxies  (and nobody was able to hardcounter it at the same time! )
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France12758 Posts
Raven wasn’t that broken either by the way (KR zergs seemed to manage it quite well). Not a super interesting strategy because turtling to such units is not very terran-esque, but I find odd how quickly they patch such strategies compared to Broodlord / infestor or the nydus situation.
As far as the proxies count of Maru, iirc Fango or Charoisaur pulled the data and indeed it was mostly 2018 GSL S3 (TvP was quite hard without the proxy that period of time).
Also, I don’t really get why the troll is bringing TvT proxy in the discussion since his argument seems to be that Maru beat other races with his proxies, in mirror both players can use the strategy, being too strong or not.
But I guess logic and trolls don’t go too well together.
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I am not sure whether this thread makes me happy to see that there is still passion or sad to see how poorly said passion is shown.
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On November 05 2019 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 07:59 Nakajin wrote:On November 04 2019 07:57 BerserkSword wrote:
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Serral is not the best player in the world.
Best players in the world don't lose to a 17 year old greenhorn, BLIZZCON rookie, and player who cannot even get past ro.32 in the GSL Code S, on the biggest stage. Lose to the same player whom Dark utterly dominated.
Serral probably wouldve lost to beast mode Classic too. I'd bet on Classic anyway
Serral fans have to come to terms with reality. Dark slaughtered the best players in the world en route to the world champion title. Serral is losing big tournaments to soo, innovation, and stats, when Dark just rolls over them with ease. The fact that Dark won Code S (first for zerg in lotv) and super tournament as well, AND had the most GSL points, means that Dark wasnt just on a hot streak either. First seed in the GSL AND Blizzcon. 2019 Dark is god mode.
I mean Dark had the best year but didn't have an insane year either. Just a particularly good end of the year including an amazing Blizzcon (in a favorable meta) Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta? "heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or?  Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta The issue I was against was that Maru used the proxy meta to win all them titles. This is S1 IIRC. So you proved Maru used few proxy games in S1, how about S2, 3 or S1?  Show nested quote +On November 04 2019 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 07:59 Nakajin wrote:
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I mean Dark had the best year but didn't have an insane year either. Just a particularly good end of the year including an amazing Blizzcon (in a favorable meta)
Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta? "heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta Appealing to a fake consensus, now i have seen it all! He has to, has nothing else
Feel Free to name 3 GSL Series that he didn't proxy in any.
Like I said, the general consensus is Maru was a proxy GSL boy
A few minority Maru Fan posters won't change that =)
Facts baby
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Canada8988 Posts
On November 05 2019 00:51 FlyGaho wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 07:59 Nakajin wrote:
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I mean Dark had the best year but didn't have an insane year either. Just a particularly good end of the year including an amazing Blizzcon (in a favorable meta)
Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta? "heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta The issue I was against was that Maru used the proxy meta to win all them titles. This is S1 IIRC. So you proved Maru used few proxy games in S1, how about S2, 3 or S1? On November 04 2019 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:
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Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta?
"heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta Appealing to a fake consensus, now i have seen it all! He has to, has nothing else Feel Free to name 3 GSL Series that he didn't proxy in any. Like I said, the general consensus is Maru was a proxy GSL boy A few minority Maru Fan posters won't change that =) Facts baby
Jesus christ that ain't fact
Just go back to his GSL runs, rewatch the start of each games, create a chart of the oppening then give us that. It's not rocket science ffs
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On November 05 2019 00:29 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 07:59 Nakajin wrote:On November 04 2019 07:57 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 06:18 MockHamill wrote:
Serral is still the best player on the planet. Dark is probably number two though. Reynor is a top 10 player who for some reason is especially good vs Serral. Serral is not the best player in the world. Best players in the world don't lose to a 17 year old greenhorn, BLIZZCON rookie, and player who cannot even get past ro.32 in the GSL Code S, on the biggest stage. Lose to the same player whom Dark utterly dominated. Serral probably wouldve lost to beast mode Classic too. I'd bet on Classic anyway Serral fans have to come to terms with reality. Dark slaughtered the best players in the world en route to the world champion title. Serral is losing big tournaments to soo, innovation, and stats, when Dark just rolls over them with ease. The fact that Dark won Code S (first for zerg in lotv) and super tournament as well, AND had the most GSL points, means that Dark wasnt just on a hot streak either. First seed in the GSL AND Blizzcon. 2019 Dark is god mode. I mean Dark had the best year but didn't have an insane year either. Just a particularly good end of the year including an amazing Blizzcon (in a favorable meta) Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta? "heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven... All the VODs are in youtube, feel free to post more than two of him using the broken raven from any of his GSL runs. Right now you're churning six starleague down to two games. As far as proxies go, the key word is heavily, sure he proxies the odd game here and there, but he only went hard in 2018 S3. Proxying once or twice every few series (when it wasn't even meta or proxy) is a far cry from "abusing imba proxies". Like I said, he won two GSLs before proxies were meta, and won the season after it without doing it once. Shaking up builds is something good players do when they aren't reliant on one particular strategy btw.
Then why do people complain about the infestor/BL late game? Less than 25% of the games even get to that point at the highest level.
Yet everyone complains and acts like every game is infestor/BL, since it's overused meme since WOL
Guess you also think Dark was dominated this year because he abused this strategy right?
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On November 05 2019 00:54 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 00:51 FlyGaho wrote:On November 05 2019 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:
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Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta?
"heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta The issue I was against was that Maru used the proxy meta to win all them titles. This is S1 IIRC. So you proved Maru used few proxy games in S1, how about S2, 3 or S1? On November 04 2019 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:
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"heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them.
Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta Appealing to a fake consensus, now i have seen it all! He has to, has nothing else Feel Free to name 3 GSL Series that he didn't proxy in any. Like I said, the general consensus is Maru was a proxy GSL boy A few minority Maru Fan posters won't change that =) Facts baby Jesus christ that ain't fact Just go back to his GSL runs, rewatch the start of each games, create a chart of the oppening then give us that. It's not rocket science ffs
Like I said, it's the general consensus and most people will always remember Maru's run as the proxy meta.
I'll let you create a chart and let us know which series he did not proxy vs the ones he did. Not rocket science.
Not sure why you and the rest of the Maru fans here are so butthurt over this comment?
We don't think Maru was a trash player, it's just a general consensus he rose to fame for his proxy meta within the SC2 Community
User was banned for this post.
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Canada8988 Posts
On November 05 2019 00:57 FlyGaho wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 00:54 Nakajin wrote:On November 05 2019 00:51 FlyGaho wrote:On November 05 2019 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:
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"heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them.
Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta The issue I was against was that Maru used the proxy meta to win all them titles. This is S1 IIRC. So you proved Maru used few proxy games in S1, how about S2, 3 or S1? On November 04 2019 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:
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What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall.
He was using proxies the entire time.
There were more than two games involving the raven....
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I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL)
The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were
Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta Appealing to a fake consensus, now i have seen it all! He has to, has nothing else Feel Free to name 3 GSL Series that he didn't proxy in any. Like I said, the general consensus is Maru was a proxy GSL boy A few minority Maru Fan posters won't change that =) Facts baby Jesus christ that ain't fact Just go back to his GSL runs, rewatch the start of each games, create a chart of the oppening then give us that. It's not rocket science ffs Like I said, it's the general consensus and most people will always remember Maru's run as the proxy meta. I'll let you create a chart and let us know which series he did not proxy vs the ones he did. Not rocket science. General Consensus for the SC2 community.
lol, ok fuck off
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On November 05 2019 00:59 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 00:57 FlyGaho wrote:On November 05 2019 00:54 Nakajin wrote:On November 05 2019 00:51 FlyGaho wrote:On November 05 2019 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:
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What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall.
He was using proxies the entire time.
There were more than two games involving the raven....
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I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL)
The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were
Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta The issue I was against was that Maru used the proxy meta to win all them titles. This is S1 IIRC. So you proved Maru used few proxy games in S1, how about S2, 3 or S1? On November 04 2019 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:
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Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta Appealing to a fake consensus, now i have seen it all! He has to, has nothing else Feel Free to name 3 GSL Series that he didn't proxy in any. Like I said, the general consensus is Maru was a proxy GSL boy A few minority Maru Fan posters won't change that =) Facts baby Jesus christ that ain't fact Just go back to his GSL runs, rewatch the start of each games, create a chart of the oppening then give us that. It's not rocket science ffs Like I said, it's the general consensus and most people will always remember Maru's run as the proxy meta. I'll let you create a chart and let us know which series he did not proxy vs the ones he did. Not rocket science. General Consensus for the SC2 community. lol, ok fuck off
So in other words, you can't dispute the general consensus.
Typical Maru fans, can't come up series he did not proxy, so resort to name calling. And Maru fanboys wonder why no one takes them seriously
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Boys, calm down.
This is the same dude that said stuff like :
On October 28 2019 20:15 FlyGaho wrote:
Sad rigging of the bracket
Place the best 2 players in the world on the top bracket. Serral and Reynor
Guess Blizzard wanted at least one korean to make it to the finals.
Tier A WCS fighting each other to reach the finals, while we have the boring Tier B GSL group in the bottom half rofl...
At least I can go to sleep early after watching the top bracket and just ignore the lower skill Bottom bracket
Take it with a grain of a saltmine or an ocean
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On November 05 2019 00:51 FlyGaho wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 07:59 Nakajin wrote:
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I mean Dark had the best year but didn't have an insane year either. Just a particularly good end of the year including an amazing Blizzcon (in a favorable meta)
Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta? "heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta The issue I was against was that Maru used the proxy meta to win all them titles. This is S1 IIRC. So you proved Maru used few proxy games in S1, how about S2, 3 or S1? On November 04 2019 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:
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Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta?
"heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta Appealing to a fake consensus, now i have seen it all! He has to, has nothing else Feel Free to name 3 GSL Series that he didn't proxy in any. Like I said, the general consensus is Maru was a proxy GSL boy A few minority Maru Fan posters won't change that =) Facts baby
He was the only one to make it works tho. The worst thing is the counter wasn't that hard (sOs), so they didn't really try to counter it, that's why it worked.
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On November 05 2019 01:21 Harris1st wrote:Boys, calm down. This is the same dude that said stuff like : Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 20:15 FlyGaho wrote:
Sad rigging of the bracket
Place the best 2 players in the world on the top bracket. Serral and Reynor
Guess Blizzard wanted at least one korean to make it to the finals.
Tier A WCS fighting each other to reach the finals, while we have the boring Tier B GSL group in the bottom half rofl...
At least I can go to sleep early after watching the top bracket and just ignore the lower skill Bottom bracket Take it with a grain of a saltmine or an ocean
Probably a PBU who trolls now
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On November 05 2019 01:21 Harris1st wrote:Boys, calm down. This is the same dude that said stuff like : Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 20:15 FlyGaho wrote:
Sad rigging of the bracket
Place the best 2 players in the world on the top bracket. Serral and Reynor
Guess Blizzard wanted at least one korean to make it to the finals.
Tier A WCS fighting each other to reach the finals, while we have the boring Tier B GSL group in the bottom half rofl...
At least I can go to sleep early after watching the top bracket and just ignore the lower skill Bottom bracket Take it with a grain of a saltmine or an ocean
Which part of it is incorrect?
Best player plays in WCS is he not?
WCS players > GSL players at GSL vs World did they not?
WCS > GSL
I only state facts baby. Don't be mad at me, go be mad at facts
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On November 05 2019 01:23 DieuCure wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 00:51 FlyGaho wrote:On November 05 2019 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:On November 04 2019 08:10 BerserkSword wrote:
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Maru's 4 GSLs heavily involved proxy and broken raven. Favorable meta?
"heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them. Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta The issue I was against was that Maru used the proxy meta to win all them titles. This is S1 IIRC. So you proved Maru used few proxy games in S1, how about S2, 3 or S1? On November 04 2019 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:
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"heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them.
Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta Appealing to a fake consensus, now i have seen it all! He has to, has nothing else Feel Free to name 3 GSL Series that he didn't proxy in any. Like I said, the general consensus is Maru was a proxy GSL boy A few minority Maru Fan posters won't change that =) Facts baby He was the only one to make it works tho. The worst thing is the counter wasn't that hard (sOs), so they didn't really try to counter it, that's why it worked.
sOs developed this proxy meta for Maru, so of course the genius sOs can counter it =)
To be fair, TY made it work as well against neeb in the GSL semi's
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On November 05 2019 00:57 FlyGaho wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 00:54 Nakajin wrote:On November 05 2019 00:51 FlyGaho wrote:On November 05 2019 00:25 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:On November 04 2019 08:18 Fango wrote:
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"heavily involved proxy and broken raven" he massed ravens in two games across all four seasons, and only went heavy on the proxies in one of them.
Maru had already won two GSLs before the proxy meta, and even won the season directly after it (not proxying in a single game iirc). People really pinning all his starleague wins on one season's meta (and it's not even like the proxies were broken either, PvT floated 50-52% in protoss favour during that time). What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall. He was using proxies the entire time. There were more than two games involving the raven.... On November 04 2019 08:24 Nakajin wrote:
I assume you're just trolling, but it famously wasn't.
Anyway point is, it used to be pretty normal to lose to 17 years old rookie except now we just have a bunch of guys so it doesn't really happen. (Maru, Creator, TaeJa, Parting, Leenock... all these guys were considered top 3 before topping 18)
I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL) The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta The issue I was against was that Maru used the proxy meta to win all them titles. This is S1 IIRC. So you proved Maru used few proxy games in S1, how about S2, 3 or S1? On November 04 2019 23:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 04 2019 23:35 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 21:30 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 20:42 FlyGaho wrote:On November 04 2019 16:52 deacon.frost wrote:On November 04 2019 08:55 BerserkSword wrote:
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What lol? Maru was proxying from his WESG win through the first two Code S's. He proxied in Code S S3 through last year's blizzcon too, as we all famously saw as it became his downfall.
He was using proxies the entire time.
There were more than two games involving the raven....
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I thought you brought that GSL up to showcase that Zerg won a code S in LotV, which is why i said it was HotS (I was wrong about that - it was WoL)
The difference between Life and Reynor is that Life went on to win the whole thing while Reynor didn't play particularly well the entire blizzcon tournament and then got stomped in the finals. Life was the GOAT or at least a contender, and until proven otherwise, Reynor is nowhere near close. Reynor is not a top 3 player like Maru, Life, Taeja, Parting, etc were
Simply no, please post evidence when you say such things. There are VODs for most of his games... He is right you know. It's a general consensus that Maru abused proxy for his 4 GSL Maru fans boys need to accept that Then post the proxy games, it shouldn't be that hard since he abused them proxies ... or? Easy Keen vs Maru GSL. Maru proxy reaper 2 straight game after Keen beat him in a macro game game 1 Proxy vs stats in GSL finals to win Just too ez Dont change Maru fan boy dont change Maru = product of the proxy meta. General Consensus, overrated player with that meta Appealing to a fake consensus, now i have seen it all! He has to, has nothing else Feel Free to name 3 GSL Series that he didn't proxy in any. Like I said, the general consensus is Maru was a proxy GSL boy A few minority Maru Fan posters won't change that =) Facts baby Jesus christ that ain't fact Just go back to his GSL runs, rewatch the start of each games, create a chart of the oppening then give us that. It's not rocket science ffs Like I said, it's the general consensus and most people will always remember Maru's run as the proxy meta. I'll let you create a chart and let us know which series he did not proxy vs the ones he did. Not rocket science. Not sure why you and the rest of the Maru fans here are so butthurt over this comment? We don't think Maru was a trash player, it's just a general consensus he rose to fame for his proxy meta within the SC2 Community
It's not a general consensus if you can't a concensus even in this thread...
"WE don't think" - who we? Also you wrote this
On November 04 2019 06:53 FlyGaho wrote:
...Average Korean who peaked during the broken proxy meta
You have 20 posts and you don't remember what you wrote. In this thread.
NOw let's go to the games.
Zest v Maru, 0:4, 1:1 proxies
Classic v Maru, 1:4, 1:1 proxies
Rogue v Maru, 2:3, 0 proxies
Solar v Maru, 0:2, 0:2 proxies
Patience, 1:2, 1:0 proxies
Zanster, 0:2, 0:1 proxy
Dear, 0:2, 0 proxies
So, out of the Season 2 Maru made 5 proxy builds in 23 map games. 21 % of his maps were proxies, 3 were proxies against him(Patience proxied SG? not sure now, didn't check, saw building outside main or natural and it wasn't 3rd base); 5 - 3 isn't that huge score, is it?
Do I need to check other games or will you finally accept the reality and not the general consensus(which doesn't exist)?
Edit> This is not a heavy proxy abusive player. Abusing proxy meta means in my world at least majority of your map wins come from a proxy. That would mean in this season I checked that Maru would have to played at least 12 proxy maps. He did not.
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2019 Code S1
v Classic, 0:4 for proxies
v Dear, Trap, Impact(twice) - 0 proxies. The last proxy Maru made this season was against Bunny in the winner match of RO16(which he lost), from then 4 games without a proxy. Won because abused proxies. Didn't do any proxy for the whole bracket. Wee, general consensus!
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Why is this even a discussion?
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Czech Republic12128 Posts
On November 05 2019 01:39 Charoisaur wrote:
Why is this even a discussion?
I don't know
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Canada8988 Posts
Maru abusing nuke once again 
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