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On November 05 2019 10:23 ParksonVN wrote:
Why is Maru proxy event a discussion. He did not proxy that much, and there was nothing wrong wih that if he was the only Terran who could make it work. Look at the BL infestor, literally all pro Zerg can do the strat and make it OP
Nothing wrong with proxy anyway, it's a real risk if you get scouted early. Is it that broken? Is it what made Maru win his proxy games? Didn't they all went end game?
His 2 proxy in a row against KeeN was historical. I think people are forgetting that proxies have risk.
Also reminds of when he tried to do ByuN's reaper play. But kept losing games because of it; then started winning when he stopped doing it during a series. This is indeed far from rapid fire spraying infested terrans or rapid firing nyduses.
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Germany15880 Posts
Congrats to Dark but it's a consensus he abused SH/Nydus his entire career so his achievements should not be treated equally to a honest Zerg.
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Congrats to dark, and thanks to TL for the coverage.
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Dark is good. Congrats.
But the sole fact everyone is "meh" about the fact the game is in terrrible state in terms of balance, and what is more important, is heading straight to abyss design-wise (in the light of recent events, aka "balance" team "balance" tweaks), leads me to a conclusion that next year will be even worse.
Its freaking obvious to everyone that nydus is broken. Even the casters don't bother pretending it's ok, but the community is like "whatever", "at least its funny to watch protoss in agony". And Blizzard just continues to pretend it's not happening and instead is bombarding the game with dozens of new upgrade proposals, and everyone is "ok, new changes are interesting, let's discuss them".
Are you all out of your minds? Do you really think that this attitude is working? Shuffling random stats on random units every half a year? Does everyone remember how many times thor was redesigned? Nydus changed? Some random bs upgrade added/cost changed and then reverted? How long will we "discuss" zealot charge upgrade? For the next 3 years? Like, "we definitely think 8 dmg is too much, we are considering to remove it", 2 weeks later: "we reconsidered, this nerf is too much", 2 weeks later: "we actually think that extra damage needs to go", and again: "we were too hasty with that".
For real? Is this how a game should be balanced? It's just seems all they bother about is keeping the discussion alive, to hell with the players and the game.
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Northern Ireland24404 Posts
On November 05 2019 12:50 brickrd wrote:
the level of trolling in this thread is unreal and kind of hilarious but also kind of sad
I’m rather confused as to who is trolling and who is serious but a complete lunatic with a strange view of reality.
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On November 05 2019 12:14 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 11:14 tskarzyn wrote:
Lol at the Maru hate. He swept the best toss player in the tournament 3-0 and lost 3-0 to a #2 Zerg on the most imbalanced map pool we've seen since WoL. Do the Maru haters honestly think Dark is on Maru's level... The real question is Maru really a top tier player?? Because there is a concesus he abused on proxy and raven. So is he on the lvl of dark? I just remember little Maru getting recked by life and soulkey back in the days. No proxy no win against Zerg. Same happened in this tournament. And always I see him in a tvz. Maru has a meta game against Zerg? Fast BC is his meta game? In his “goat” streak Maru defeated this zergs: impact, ragna, leenock, Scarlett, reynor, zanster, rogue and dark. Only these 2 out of group phase. So in 4 gsl he played only 2 top tier zergs and he played meta in like 1 or 2 games against them. There were like 3 ravens abuse games in those bo series. Against dark he failed a proxy, won 2 timings attack and 2 ravens (lost meta game) Against rogue won timing attack (abusing tank position), lost one game with ravens and won other, lost metagame (without ravens) and won other timing attack. So yeah he won without winning a single metagame (except ravens abuse). If you want to go deeper. In the 4 gsl maru won there were only 4 Zergs in ro16 in each (in one there were 3). So basically he won in an era of proxy and ravens and with very poor Zerg competition. He will always be second tier tvz
Maru, in his WESG last year (2018) which was during his run for his first Code S championship:
Mar 10: Code S ro8 - 3:2 against sOs
Mar 14: WESG group stage 1 - 2:0 against Elazer and two other terrans
Mar 16: WESG group stage 2 - 3:0 against Nerchio, 3:0 against Scarlett, 3:1 against ShowTime
Mar 17: WESG ro8 - 3:0 against Reynor
Mar 17: WESG ro4 - 3:0 against Serral
Mar 17: WESG finals - 4:3 against Dark
Mar 24: Code S ro4 - 4:2 against Dark
Mar 31: Code S finals - 4:2 against Stats
Maru claimed $200,000 for his WESG win, a win denied by TY a year prior in which he only pocketed $100,000 in second place.
3 months later in his 2nd-in-a-row Code S win, he would beat Solar 2:0 and 3:2 Rogue. This was a month after Raven anti-armor missile was nerfed:  Patch 4.3.0
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Maru just abused his own skill at the game, without having favourable abilities like good macro and multitasking he would never have won anything. Very much overrated player. Nerchio was right
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France12761 Posts
On November 05 2019 23:46 Fango wrote:
Maru just abused his own skill at the game, without having favourable abilities like good macro and multitasking he would never have won anything. Very much overrated player. Nerchio was right
Where is Nerchio btw, why did he stop playing seriously?
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On November 05 2019 23:46 Fango wrote:
Maru just abused his own skill at the game, without having favourable abilities like good macro and multitasking he would never have won anything. Very much overrated player. Nerchio was right
I really, really didn't want to post anything in this shitthread, but this is just too funny
What the hell is "he abused his own skill" even mean? Are you guys ever reading the stuff you posting?
He abused the fact that he is the better aka more skilled player an won. Aha. What a cheater... rofl
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On November 05 2019 23:52 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 23:46 Fango wrote:
Maru just abused his own skill at the game, without having favourable abilities like good macro and multitasking he would never have won anything. Very much overrated player. Nerchio was right I really, really didn't want to post anything in this shitthread, but this is just too funny What the hell is "he abused his own skill" even mean? Are you guys ever reading the stuff you posting? He abused the fact that he is the better aka more skilled player an won. Aha. What a cheater... rofl
You didn't pay attention enough and got tricked; do you really think Fango would write anything against Maru?
That's some Charoisaur level sarcasm.
Nerchio was right, in a way, people on TL really overrate Maru, but that's just because on this forum he is considered the unconstested God GOAT of Sc2 whereas he simply is one of the best and most accomplished players in Sc2's history.
As for Nerchio himself, he's still around I guess; according to Aligulac he played his last game one month ago.
Is he not active anymore on ladder? Nerchio is not top tier level in EU but he's still quite good.
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France12761 Posts
Well he was one of the top foreigners in 2016 and 2017, so being #33 WCS points in 2019 seems odd to me.
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On November 06 2019 00:21 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 23:52 Harris1st wrote:On November 05 2019 23:46 Fango wrote:
Maru just abused his own skill at the game, without having favourable abilities like good macro and multitasking he would never have won anything. Very much overrated player. Nerchio was right I really, really didn't want to post anything in this shitthread, but this is just too funny What the hell is "he abused his own skill" even mean? Are you guys ever reading the stuff you posting? He abused the fact that he is the better aka more skilled player an won. Aha. What a cheater... rofl You didn't pay attention enough and got tricked; do you really think Fango would write anything against Maru? That's some Charoisaur level sarcasm. Nerchio was right, in a way, people on TL really overrate Maru, but that's just because on this forum he is considered the unconstested God GOAT of Sc2 whereas he simply is one of the best and most accomplished players in Sc2's history. As for Nerchio himself, he's still around I guess; according to Aligulac he played his last game one month ago. Is he not active anymore on ladder? Nerchio is not top tier level in EU but he's still quite good.
That's not even true by any means, there is no consensus on TL who the "GOAT" even is, quite a lot of people still go with MVP, some go with Life, some go with Inno, some go with Maru, there is quite a difference in opinion.
But thanks for clearing up where maru really belongs, xainon has spoken!
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On November 06 2019 00:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2019 00:21 Xain0n wrote:On November 05 2019 23:52 Harris1st wrote:On November 05 2019 23:46 Fango wrote:
Maru just abused his own skill at the game, without having favourable abilities like good macro and multitasking he would never have won anything. Very much overrated player. Nerchio was right I really, really didn't want to post anything in this shitthread, but this is just too funny What the hell is "he abused his own skill" even mean? Are you guys ever reading the stuff you posting? He abused the fact that he is the better aka more skilled player an won. Aha. What a cheater... rofl You didn't pay attention enough and got tricked; do you really think Fango would write anything against Maru? That's some Charoisaur level sarcasm. Nerchio was right, in a way, people on TL really overrate Maru, but that's just because on this forum he is considered the unconstested God GOAT of Sc2 whereas he simply is one of the best and most accomplished players in Sc2's history. As for Nerchio himself, he's still around I guess; according to Aligulac he played his last game one month ago. Is he not active anymore on ladder? Nerchio is not top tier level in EU but he's still quite good. That's not even true by any means, there is no consensus on TL who the "GOAT" even is, quite a lot of people still go with MVP, some go with Life, some go with Inno, some go with Maru, there is quite a difference in opinion. But thanks for clearing up where maru really belongs, xainon has spoken!
Let's just say serral is the goat so he can sleep in peace
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On November 06 2019 00:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2019 00:21 Xain0n wrote:On November 05 2019 23:52 Harris1st wrote:On November 05 2019 23:46 Fango wrote:
Maru just abused his own skill at the game, without having favourable abilities like good macro and multitasking he would never have won anything. Very much overrated player. Nerchio was right I really, really didn't want to post anything in this shitthread, but this is just too funny What the hell is "he abused his own skill" even mean? Are you guys ever reading the stuff you posting? He abused the fact that he is the better aka more skilled player an won. Aha. What a cheater... rofl You didn't pay attention enough and got tricked; do you really think Fango would write anything against Maru? That's some Charoisaur level sarcasm. Nerchio was right, in a way, people on TL really overrate Maru, but that's just because on this forum he is considered the unconstested God GOAT of Sc2 whereas he simply is one of the best and most accomplished players in Sc2's history. As for Nerchio himself, he's still around I guess; according to Aligulac he played his last game one month ago. Is he not active anymore on ladder? Nerchio is not top tier level in EU but he's still quite good. That's not even true by any means, there is no consensus on TL who the "GOAT" even is, quite a lot of people still go with MVP, some go with Life, some go with Inno, some go with Maru, there is quite a difference in opinion. But thanks for clearing up where maru really belongs, xainon has spoken!
You are welcome.
If it is needed(and it shouldn't really be), I'll specify that of course not everyone here thinks Maru is the GOAT but he still went incredibly close to be crowned(one vote behind Innovation in Nakajin's tournament); to me, this means that Maru, as good and accomplished as he is, is loved on this forum way more than it should be legit as the idea of choosing him as GOAT over Inno, Mvp or Life couldn't be otherwise justified.
On November 06 2019 00:39 SamirDuran wrote:
Let's just say serral is the goat so he can sleep in peace
Here comes another one.
I never said Serral is the GOAT, and I'll tell you something more: Maru is more of a GOAT than Serral, at the moment.
On November 06 2019 00:23 Poopi wrote:
Well he was one of the top foreigners in 2016 and 2017, so being #33 WCS points in 2019 seems odd to me.
Nerchio has been around since 2011, he is 27 years old right now and the new breed of foreigner champions is probably the best that there has ever been. I don't find it weird that Nerchio isn't at the top anymore.
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On November 05 2019 23:46 Fango wrote:
Maru just abused his own skill at the game, without having favourable abilities like good macro and multitasking he would never have won anything. Very much overrated player. Nerchio was right
Is not skills if you abuse of poor map pool (in maps that clearly benefits terran exploding those advantage with timming attacks or proxy rax) or abusing of ravens before they were debuffed.
Thats why maru cant abuse anymore of those advanteges against zergs and now he is destroyed. Also thats why maru was always raped by zergs before lotv. He has no metagame, cant compare his metagame against zerg with inno, taeja, polt, bomber and others good terrans (in their peaks).
Terran patch (in the same period of time 2011-2015 Maru won 2 premier tournament, taeja 11, life 10, MVP 9, inno 5, rain 5, polt 7, etc.)
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Congratulations to Dark!
BlizzCon would not have been the same without the coverage leading up to it found here.
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On November 06 2019 01:04 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2019 00:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On November 06 2019 00:21 Xain0n wrote:On November 05 2019 23:52 Harris1st wrote:On November 05 2019 23:46 Fango wrote:
Maru just abused his own skill at the game, without having favourable abilities like good macro and multitasking he would never have won anything. Very much overrated player. Nerchio was right I really, really didn't want to post anything in this shitthread, but this is just too funny What the hell is "he abused his own skill" even mean? Are you guys ever reading the stuff you posting? He abused the fact that he is the better aka more skilled player an won. Aha. What a cheater... rofl You didn't pay attention enough and got tricked; do you really think Fango would write anything against Maru? That's some Charoisaur level sarcasm. Nerchio was right, in a way, people on TL really overrate Maru, but that's just because on this forum he is considered the unconstested God GOAT of Sc2 whereas he simply is one of the best and most accomplished players in Sc2's history. As for Nerchio himself, he's still around I guess; according to Aligulac he played his last game one month ago. Is he not active anymore on ladder? Nerchio is not top tier level in EU but he's still quite good. That's not even true by any means, there is no consensus on TL who the "GOAT" even is, quite a lot of people still go with MVP, some go with Life, some go with Inno, some go with Maru, there is quite a difference in opinion. But thanks for clearing up where maru really belongs, xainon has spoken! You are welcome. If it is needed(and it shouldn't really be), I'll specify that of course not everyone here thinks Maru is the GOAT but he still went incredibly close to be crowned(one vote behind Innovation in Nakajin's tournament); to me, this means that Maru, as good and accomplished as he is, is loved on this forum way more than it should be legit as the idea of choosing him as GOAT over Inno, Mvp or Life couldn't be otherwise justified.
Oh it can be justified if you actually cared to look at his career results in a more holistic angle. It's not nearly as out there as you make it seem. But this discussion took place a few times already and noone has changed their pov, i doubt this time would be any different!
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Does the TL awards include stupidest thread of the year?
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