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Northern Ireland23759 Posts
On November 06 2019 01:17 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2019 23:46 Fango wrote:
Maru just abused his own skill at the game, without having favourable abilities like good macro and multitasking he would never have won anything. Very much overrated player. Nerchio was right Is not skills if you abuse of poor map pool (in maps that clearly benefits terran exploding those advantage with timming attacks or proxy rax) or abusing of ravens before they were debuffed. Thats why maru cant abuse anymore of those advanteges against zergs and now he is destroyed. Also thats why maru was always raped by zergs before lotv. He has no metagame, cant compare his metagame against zerg with inno, taeja, polt, bomber and others good terrans (in their peaks). Terran patch (in the same period of time 2011-2015 Maru won 2 premier tournament, taeja 11, life 10, MVP 9, inno 5, rain 5, polt 7, etc.)
Polt and Bomber? :S I love both players but come on.
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Northern Ireland23759 Posts
Thanks man, looking forward to feeling completely inadequate as a player
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Hopefully we can get some variety in future events, ZvZ is pretty boring for me to watch all day every day. The event was pretty underwhelming in what has been a bad year for blizzard esports in general.
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I feel bad for Dark to be honest. Horrible job blizzard.
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Can we PLEASE STOP having the winning photo be him kissing the trophy!!!! TL content over last 10 years = 10; photo choices = poor
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 Dark is doing a great job here! Wish him all the best in 2020.
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On November 06 2019 15:46 elluel wrote:
I feel bad for Dark to be honest. Horrible job blizzard.
As long as the trophy gave consent, I don't see the issue.
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Gratz to him, well deserved considering his career I guess
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On November 03 2019 20:25 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2019 19:50 parksonsc wrote:
Inno said on his stream that gaming is no longer important to him like it was before, after his WESG win. Others Korean like Soo, Rogue also admit they got lazy and did not practice hard anymore (until important tournaments), and more often I see top Protoss in GSL got 10+ probes killed by a widowmine drop while nothing was happening anywhere else. I can't believe people still say that Koreans are not getting worse. people don't want to admit the truth and want to hype up foreigners finally getting to the level of koreans.
Well of course. I blame the region lock killing of the Korean scene, as korean tournaments only can't sustain all the talented progamers in Korea. That's why most of them retired, but blizzard at least helped bring up the foreigners that way which is stupid, because they had to kill of the biggest and most talented starcraft scene so to help others have a chance, the thing it started with forcing the korean scene to switch from BW to SC2. The little support for the game from Blizzard also helped that, as for them Starcraft 2 is now a third rate game after WoW, Overwatch and Diablo. Probably worse of then Heartstone even, soon to be at the level of Heroes of the storm.
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like seriously how hard is it for Blizz to add like 5 secs of that video into their Blizzcon recap video wtf
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Now Dark is undoubtly N°2 zerg in history. That clearly shows how Zergs have had very poor representation in sc2 history. Dark with a very favourable zerg meta and low competition is considered N°2 and it cant be denied.
Probably dark isnt even in the top 10 of all times.
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Canada8988 Posts
On November 07 2019 02:46 TheAnarchy wrote:
Now Dark is undoubtly N°2 zerg in history. That clearly shows how Zergs have had very poor representation in sc2 history. Dark with a very favourable zerg meta and low competition is considered N°2 and it cant be denied.
Probably dark isnt even in the top 10 of all times.
IDK if your no1 is soO or Life, but these two are top 10 for me, probably Dark too now, maybe also Serral. Not that bad tbh.
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On November 07 2019 02:46 TheAnarchy wrote:
Now Dark is undoubtly N°2 zerg in history. That clearly shows how Zergs have had very poor representation in sc2 history. Dark with a very favourable zerg meta and low competition is considered N°2 and it cant be denied.
Probably dark isnt even in the top 10 of all times.
Life, soO, and Dark are all in the top 10. Arguably NesTea could be thrown in there.
3-4 zerg in the top 10 sounds pretty good to me.
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Northern Ireland23759 Posts
On November 07 2019 00:39 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2019 20:25 Charoisaur wrote:On November 03 2019 19:50 parksonsc wrote:
Inno said on his stream that gaming is no longer important to him like it was before, after his WESG win. Others Korean like Soo, Rogue also admit they got lazy and did not practice hard anymore (until important tournaments), and more often I see top Protoss in GSL got 10+ probes killed by a widowmine drop while nothing was happening anywhere else. I can't believe people still say that Koreans are not getting worse. people don't want to admit the truth and want to hype up foreigners finally getting to the level of koreans. Well of course. I blame the region lock killing of the Korean scene, as korean tournaments only can't sustain all the talented progamers in Korea. That's why most of them retired, but blizzard at least helped bring up the foreigners that way which is stupid, because they had to kill of the biggest and most talented starcraft scene so to help others have a chance, the thing it started with forcing the korean scene to switch from BW to SC2. The little support for the game from Blizzard also helped that, as for them Starcraft 2 is now a third rate game after WoW, Overwatch and Diablo. Probably worse of then Heartstone even, soon to be at the level of Heroes of the storm.
They’ve still supported it pretty well, for quite some time.
The Korean scene has many structural problems that go beyond region locked tournaments.
You also don’t have as many third party international tournaments either to fill those gaps. MLGs, IPLs, regular IEMs outside of Katowice, Dreamhacks etc.
Blizz absolutely could have mitigated these issues better and helped but they’re hardly singularly to blame.
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On November 07 2019 03:09 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2019 02:46 TheAnarchy wrote:
Now Dark is undoubtly N°2 zerg in history. That clearly shows how Zergs have had very poor representation in sc2 history. Dark with a very favourable zerg meta and low competition is considered N°2 and it cant be denied.
Probably dark isnt even in the top 10 of all times. Life, soO, and Dark are all in the top 10. Arguably NesTea could be thrown in there. 3-4 zerg in the top 10 sounds pretty good to me.
I would say life and maybe dark (nestea and soo clearly not top 10). So yeah 1-2 is very poor. Clearly top 10 players life, mvp, maru, inno, taeja, zest, mc, mma. Dark maybe fighting his spot with stats, classic and sos.
soO is not top 2 zerg anymore (2 premiers and 9 second places against 5 premiers and 8 second places and many more semis). Even soO played in a harder time not enough too be second.
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Canada8988 Posts
On November 07 2019 03:51 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2019 03:09 Fango wrote:On November 07 2019 02:46 TheAnarchy wrote:
Now Dark is undoubtly N°2 zerg in history. That clearly shows how Zergs have had very poor representation in sc2 history. Dark with a very favourable zerg meta and low competition is considered N°2 and it cant be denied.
Probably dark isnt even in the top 10 of all times. Life, soO, and Dark are all in the top 10. Arguably NesTea could be thrown in there. 3-4 zerg in the top 10 sounds pretty good to me. I would say life and maybe dark (nestea and soo clearly not top 10). So yeah 1-2 is very poor. Clearly top 10 players life, mvp, maru, inno, taeja, zest, mc, mma. Dark maybe fighting his spot with stats, classic and sos.
soO behind MC, MMA and Classic? I need to restart my poll.
MC-Classic are maybe one thing (and still it sound ludicrous to me) but MMA is just out of nowhere.
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Imagine thinking soO isn't a top 10 player but MMA is
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On November 07 2019 03:56 Nakajin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2019 03:51 TheAnarchy wrote:On November 07 2019 03:09 Fango wrote:On November 07 2019 02:46 TheAnarchy wrote:
Now Dark is undoubtly N°2 zerg in history. That clearly shows how Zergs have had very poor representation in sc2 history. Dark with a very favourable zerg meta and low competition is considered N°2 and it cant be denied.
Probably dark isnt even in the top 10 of all times. Life, soO, and Dark are all in the top 10. Arguably NesTea could be thrown in there. 3-4 zerg in the top 10 sounds pretty good to me. I would say life and maybe dark (nestea and soo clearly not top 10). So yeah 1-2 is very poor. Clearly top 10 players life, mvp, maru, inno, taeja, zest, mc, mma. Dark maybe fighting his spot with stats, classic and sos. soO behind MC, MMA and Classic? I need to restart my poll. MC-Classic are maybe one thing (and still it sound ludicrous to me) but MMA is just out of nowhere.
MMA 8 premiers and 4 second places against 2 premiers and 9 second places. Even if soO tournaments were harder not enough wins for me.
Like people joined after 2010 in liquid forum shoudnt have a vote in this kind of discussion. Like people not reconicing savior as the greatest player all games and boxer against yellow in cocacola as the best game ever.
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On November 07 2019 03:58 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2019 03:56 Nakajin wrote:On November 07 2019 03:51 TheAnarchy wrote:On November 07 2019 03:09 Fango wrote:On November 07 2019 02:46 TheAnarchy wrote:
Now Dark is undoubtly N°2 zerg in history. That clearly shows how Zergs have had very poor representation in sc2 history. Dark with a very favourable zerg meta and low competition is considered N°2 and it cant be denied.
Probably dark isnt even in the top 10 of all times. Life, soO, and Dark are all in the top 10. Arguably NesTea could be thrown in there. 3-4 zerg in the top 10 sounds pretty good to me. I would say life and maybe dark (nestea and soo clearly not top 10). So yeah 1-2 is very poor. Clearly top 10 players life, mvp, maru, inno, taeja, zest, mc, mma. Dark maybe fighting his spot with stats, classic and sos. soO behind MC, MMA and Classic? I need to restart my poll. MC-Classic are maybe one thing (and still it sound ludicrous to me) but MMA is just out of nowhere. MMA 8 premiers and 4 second places against 2 premiers and 9 second places. Even if soO tournaments were harder not enough wins for me.
This is what happens when you simply count the number of tournaments liquipedia considers premier instead of actually knowing how good these players were and how difficult it was to acheive what they did.
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