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Northern Ireland26345 Posts
On November 10 2019 08:07 dtgoal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2019 07:09 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least. That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3. So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from? A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3. Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online. Like any forum forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase. Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view. No problem, I always do my research and present facts I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool. But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the truth or not, that;s up to them. Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't I can honestly say that the amount of research you've done shows. And that's a statement you can take to the bank. People who have a different perception of the current super-clear consensus about Maru's place in the GOAT pantheon obviously are exactly the same as flat-earthers. I'm going to be unlike them and get on your side, unknown internet citizen who's posted 3 times in a forum and cites no sources! To do otherwise would be against all reason. Consensus don't need sources, well know fact among most people
Yes, if they’re universally accepted i.e. an actual consensus sure.
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On November 10 2019 08:07 dtgoal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2019 07:09 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least. That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3. So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from? A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3. Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online. Like any forum forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase. Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view. No problem, I always do my research and present facts I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool. But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the truth or not, that;s up to them. Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't I can honestly say that the amount of research you've done shows. And that's a statement you can take to the bank. People who have a different perception of the current super-clear consensus about Maru's place in the GOAT pantheon obviously are exactly the same as flat-earthers. I'm going to be unlike them and get on your side, unknown internet citizen who's posted 3 times in a forum and cites no sources! To do otherwise would be against all reason. Consensus don't need sources, well know fact among most people
ahah, well done!
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On November 10 2019 08:09 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2019 08:07 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 07:09 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
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Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3. So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from? A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3. Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online. Like any forum forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase. Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view. No problem, I always do my research and present facts I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool. But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the truth or not, that;s up to them. Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't I can honestly say that the amount of research you've done shows. And that's a statement you can take to the bank. People who have a different perception of the current super-clear consensus about Maru's place in the GOAT pantheon obviously are exactly the same as flat-earthers. I'm going to be unlike them and get on your side, unknown internet citizen who's posted 3 times in a forum and cites no sources! To do otherwise would be against all reason. Consensus don't need sources, well know fact among most people Yes, if they’re universally accepted i.e. an actual consensus sure.
Not sure why everyone is so offended by this "consensus". Unless everyone here on TL really does think Maru is the Goat? Otherwise you guys are just agreeing with the rest of us who has the consensus he isn't
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On November 10 2019 08:30 dtgoal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2019 08:09 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 10 2019 08:07 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 07:09 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
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So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from? A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3. Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online. Like any forum forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase. Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view. No problem, I always do my research and present facts I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool. But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the truth or not, that;s up to them. Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't I can honestly say that the amount of research you've done shows. And that's a statement you can take to the bank. People who have a different perception of the current super-clear consensus about Maru's place in the GOAT pantheon obviously are exactly the same as flat-earthers. I'm going to be unlike them and get on your side, unknown internet citizen who's posted 3 times in a forum and cites no sources! To do otherwise would be against all reason. Consensus don't need sources, well know fact among most people Yes, if they’re universally accepted i.e. an actual consensus sure. Not sure why everyone is so offended by this "consensus". Unless everyone here on TL really does think Maru is the Goat? Otherwise you guys are just agreeing with the rest of us who has the consensus he isn't
This guy knows what he is talking. He clearly knows about consensus.
This kinda of topics always deviate because marus fans (the few he has) always try to avoid consensus with facts and graphics. If there is a consensus there is no need of overwhelming amount of facts or graphics. The consensus is already there and is the end of history. Maru not top 3 period. Life the goat and maybe serral in the future.
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On November 10 2019 09:02 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2019 08:30 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 08:09 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 10 2019 08:07 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 07:09 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
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A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community
The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.
Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online. Like any forum forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase. Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view. No problem, I always do my research and present facts I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool. But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the truth or not, that;s up to them. Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't I can honestly say that the amount of research you've done shows. And that's a statement you can take to the bank. People who have a different perception of the current super-clear consensus about Maru's place in the GOAT pantheon obviously are exactly the same as flat-earthers. I'm going to be unlike them and get on your side, unknown internet citizen who's posted 3 times in a forum and cites no sources! To do otherwise would be against all reason. Consensus don't need sources, well know fact among most people Yes, if they’re universally accepted i.e. an actual consensus sure. Not sure why everyone is so offended by this "consensus". Unless everyone here on TL really does think Maru is the Goat? Otherwise you guys are just agreeing with the rest of us who has the consensus he isn't This guy knows what he is talking. He clearly knows about consensus. This kinda of topics always deviate because marus fans (the few he has) always try to avoid consensus with facts and graphics. If there is a consensus there is no need of overwhelming amount of facts or graphics. The consensus is already there and is the end of history. Maru not top 3 period. Life the goat and maybe serral in the future.
Wow, it's really lucky that a total stranger happened to join the forum to agree with you! That's really coincidental timing, you know? This whole consensus business must be a real thing, despite the fact that no source I've been in contact with has given me any reason to agree with you two. I'm starting to think that this "consensus" you're talking about is closer to some arbitrary metaphysical idea than something that exists in our common physical reality. Anyone ever told you you'd make a good cult leader?
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On November 10 2019 21:07 neutralrobot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2019 09:02 TheAnarchy wrote:On November 10 2019 08:30 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 08:09 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 10 2019 08:07 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 07:09 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
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I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online. Like any forum forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase. Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view. No problem, I always do my research and present facts I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool. But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the truth or not, that;s up to them. Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't I can honestly say that the amount of research you've done shows. And that's a statement you can take to the bank. People who have a different perception of the current super-clear consensus about Maru's place in the GOAT pantheon obviously are exactly the same as flat-earthers. I'm going to be unlike them and get on your side, unknown internet citizen who's posted 3 times in a forum and cites no sources! To do otherwise would be against all reason. Consensus don't need sources, well know fact among most people Yes, if they’re universally accepted i.e. an actual consensus sure. Not sure why everyone is so offended by this "consensus". Unless everyone here on TL really does think Maru is the Goat? Otherwise you guys are just agreeing with the rest of us who has the consensus he isn't This guy knows what he is talking. He clearly knows about consensus. This kinda of topics always deviate because marus fans (the few he has) always try to avoid consensus with facts and graphics. If there is a consensus there is no need of overwhelming amount of facts or graphics. The consensus is already there and is the end of history. Maru not top 3 period. Life the goat and maybe serral in the future. Wow, it's really lucky that a total stranger happened to join the forum to agree with you! That's really coincidental timing, you know? This whole consensus business must be a real thing, despite the fact that no source I've been in contact with has given me any reason to agree with you two. I'm starting to think that this "consensus" you're talking about is closer to some arbitrary metaphysical idea than something that exists in our common physical reality. Anyone ever told you you'd make a good cult leader?
To be fair, I don’t know that poster
I just had to post and agree with him because he is right about the consensus
It is my duty as a responsible member of the sc2 majority community to let you guys know what the consensus of the public is.
You guys are free to believe Maru is goat and stuff
I just believe is wrong that you guys are calling names and insulting other posters because they don’t share your own opinion and agenda . When the consensus has already been set in stones.
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Where can I find access to the greater SC2 community where they voice this opinion so consistently?
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Northern Ireland26345 Posts
On November 11 2019 01:40 Jealous wrote:
Where can I find access to the greater SC2 community where they voice this opinion so consistently?
Alas he’s been nuked so we may never know how to find the true source of SC2 community consensus.
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On November 11 2019 02:04 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2019 01:40 Jealous wrote:
Where can I find access to the greater SC2 community where they voice this opinion so consistently? Alas he’s been nuked so we may never know how to find the true source of SC2 community consensus.
Don't worry they'll be back!
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Northern Ireland26345 Posts
On November 11 2019 02:07 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2019 02:04 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 11 2019 01:40 Jealous wrote:
Where can I find access to the greater SC2 community where they voice this opinion so consistently? Alas he’s been nuked so we may never know how to find the true source of SC2 community consensus. Don't worry they'll be back!
Phew, was worried for a moment there.
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On November 11 2019 01:15 dtgoal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2019 21:07 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 09:02 TheAnarchy wrote:On November 10 2019 08:30 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 08:09 Wombat_NI wrote:On November 10 2019 08:07 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 07:09 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:
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Like any forum
forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.
Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias
Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view. No problem, I always do my research and present facts I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool. But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the truth or not, that;s up to them. Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't I can honestly say that the amount of research you've done shows. And that's a statement you can take to the bank. People who have a different perception of the current super-clear consensus about Maru's place in the GOAT pantheon obviously are exactly the same as flat-earthers. I'm going to be unlike them and get on your side, unknown internet citizen who's posted 3 times in a forum and cites no sources! To do otherwise would be against all reason. Consensus don't need sources, well know fact among most people Yes, if they’re universally accepted i.e. an actual consensus sure. Not sure why everyone is so offended by this "consensus". Unless everyone here on TL really does think Maru is the Goat? Otherwise you guys are just agreeing with the rest of us who has the consensus he isn't This guy knows what he is talking. He clearly knows about consensus. This kinda of topics always deviate because marus fans (the few he has) always try to avoid consensus with facts and graphics. If there is a consensus there is no need of overwhelming amount of facts or graphics. The consensus is already there and is the end of history. Maru not top 3 period. Life the goat and maybe serral in the future. Wow, it's really lucky that a total stranger happened to join the forum to agree with you! That's really coincidental timing, you know? This whole consensus business must be a real thing, despite the fact that no source I've been in contact with has given me any reason to agree with you two. I'm starting to think that this "consensus" you're talking about is closer to some arbitrary metaphysical idea than something that exists in our common physical reality. Anyone ever told you you'd make a good cult leader? To be fair, I don’t know that poster I just had to post and agree with him because he is right about the consensus It is my duty as a responsible member of the sc2 majority community to let you guys know what the consensus of the public is. You guys are free to believe Maru is goat and stuff I just believe is wrong that you guys are calling names and insulting other posters because they don’t share your own opinion and agenda . When the consensus has already been set in stones.
yeah was a bit of a let down, still overall I did enjoy the tournament despite the ludicrous zerg imbalance lol
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Looks like the word consensus has multiple definitions.
dictionary.cambridge.org
a generally accepted opinion; wide agreement
merriam-webster.com
the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned
This sounds like Majority rule?
macmillandictionary.com
agreement among all the people involved
This sounds like Unanimous decision. If so, then this is incorrect; At least according to how Wikipedia uses it.
Here's the definition of Unanimity from Wikipedia:
Unanimity is agreement by all people in a given situation.
wiktionary.org
A process of decision-making that seeks widespread agreement among group members.
Imo, this is the most useful definition/use of the word consensus. There has to be a defined decision rule[1] which we'll use to reach a final decision. It can be Unanimity vote, majority/supermajority, or by the verdict of a person-in-charge or governing committee.
I suspect that the decision rule[1] used in large scale non-structured spectator community like ours is decision by Writers and Commentators. Whoever Writers write as the best and Commentators say as the best; is for sure highly influencial. This is not to say that Writers and Commentators cannot be influenced as well; but whatever they Write/Speak will have the most views/reads. Ofc, I don't like this Sheep's way; but it is the reality I suspect.
[1] http://groupfacilitation.net/Articles for Facilitators/Consensus & Unanimity.html
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I just want to chime in really quick and say that the last 2 pages of this thread made my monday. Had to laugh out multiple times :D
I think the consensus is that laughing is a good thing in this world
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On November 11 2019 18:36 Harris1st wrote:
I just want to chime in really quick and say that the last 2 pages of this thread made my monday. Had to laugh out multiple times :D
I think the consensus is that laughing is a good thing in this world And you are wrong again. I spoke to many people in real life (you know, outside this forum) and most people agree that the consensus around laughing is that its not even that good of a thing.
I would say that being joyful is the undisputed good thing, but we could see a rise of the "smiling purposefully" in the top 3 as soon as next year.
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On November 12 2019 01:59 Sabaton94 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2019 18:36 Harris1st wrote:
I just want to chime in really quick and say that the last 2 pages of this thread made my monday. Had to laugh out multiple times :D
I think the consensus is that laughing is a good thing in this world And you are wrong again. I spoke to many people in real life (you know, outside this forum) and most people agree that the consensus around laughing is that its not even that good of a thing. I would say that being joyful is the undisputed good thing, but we could see a rise of the "smiling purposefully" in the top 3 as soon as next year.
By letting us know that you spoke to people in real life, you've revealed a little too much about how you came to your conclusions for me to take you seriously. Real consensus just is.
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This comunity just over analyze things. If is said that there is a consensus there is no need to discuss anymore. The is no need to define consensus or know how it was made or the source you must just trust that’s how democracy works.
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On November 13 2019 11:02 TheAnarchy wrote:
This comunity just over analyze things. If is said that there is a consensus there is no need to discuss anymore. The is no need to define consensus or know how it was made or the source you must just trust that’s how democracy works.
Yeah, true. Like if I declare there's a consensus that I should be president of the USA, nobody should ask what I mean, or among whom the consensus exists or how I know. There's no need to discuss anymore. They should just trust that's how democracy works.
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On November 13 2019 11:02 TheAnarchy wrote:
This comunity just over analyze things. If is said that there is a consensus there is no need to discuss anymore. The is no need to define consensus or know how it was made or the source you must just trust that’s how democracy works.
I, too, love the australian school.
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Worst Blizzcon in known history.
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Finally caught up with the games of the WCS Global Finals. Congratulations to Dark! His play from the quarterfinals onwards looked flawless to me as a casual viewer. Very impressive.
The series I enjoyed the most in this tournament was the first match between Maru and TIME (Group B). Other matches I enjoyed a lot were Classic vs HeRoMaRinE (Group C), herO vs Reynor (Group D), Classic vs Rogue (Quarterfinals) and Serral vs Reynor (Semifinals).
The Swarmhost/Nydus strategy seemed overpowered to me. I hope the recent patch fixes this.
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