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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
November 08 2019 10:51 GMT
#301
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though
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ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
November 08 2019 11:29 GMT
#302
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


There was a poll on this forum and Inno was voted as GOAT, bare won against Maru.
TheAnarchy
Profile Joined January 2010
Chile1105 Posts
November 08 2019 19:38 GMT
#303
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12134 Posts
November 08 2019 22:06 GMT
#304
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
November 08 2019 23:46 GMT
#305
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

Please stop using the word consensus when it doesn’t apply lmao
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seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
November 09 2019 06:36 GMT
#306
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?

On November 09 2019 08:46 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

Please stop using the word consensus when it doesn’t apply lmao

my brain is toast
Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13326 Posts
November 09 2019 08:02 GMT
#307
There is a consensus that the word consensus isn't used properly
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
November 09 2019 10:02 GMT
#308
there is a consensus that every word TheAnarchy says is wrong
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dtgoal
Profile Joined November 2019
7 Posts
November 09 2019 19:13 GMT
#309
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
November 09 2019 19:17 GMT
#310
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
dtgoal
Profile Joined November 2019
7 Posts
November 09 2019 19:34 GMT
#311
On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.


Like any forum

forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.

Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias

Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-09 19:39:37
November 09 2019 19:38 GMT
#312
On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.


Like any forum

forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.

Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias

Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era


It's the consensus outside of the people who express their opinion. Genius!
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neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
November 09 2019 19:50 GMT
#313
On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.


Like any forum

forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.

Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias

Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era


Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view.
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-09 20:04:56
November 09 2019 20:04 GMT
#314
On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.


Like any forum

forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.

Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias

Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era


Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view.

Yep i can only agree. Instead of just repeating what is perpetuated by these online communities and sc2 community figures, there are people like dtgoal who treat this question seriously and make sure the polling is done with diligence.
Not everyone would go out on the street and ask the random sc2 fan on campuses, in bureaus, on the building sites around the country, in nursing homes, etc. They are only 2 posts in but i can smell the golden star already.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-09 21:24:34
November 09 2019 21:07 GMT
#315
On November 10 2019 05:04 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.


Like any forum

forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.

Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias

Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era


Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view.

Yep i can only agree. Instead of just repeating what is perpetuated by these online communities and sc2 community figures, there are people like dtgoal who treat this question seriously and make sure the polling is done with diligence.
Not everyone would go out on the street and ask the random sc2 fan on campuses, in bureaus, on the building sites around the country, in nursing homes, etc. They are only 2 posts in but i can smell the golden star already.


Yes! But it's a bit sad that we only have the results of those diligent social scientists that goes on TL and not the consensus of all those who do the hard work, but never go online. It really biased the results.
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dtgoal
Profile Joined November 2019
7 Posts
November 09 2019 21:28 GMT
#316
On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.


Like any forum

forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.

Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias

Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era


Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view.


No problem, I always do my research and present facts

I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool.

But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the
truth or not, that;s up to them.

Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
November 09 2019 22:05 GMT
#317
On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.


Like any forum

forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.

Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias

Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era


Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view.


No problem, I always do my research and present facts

I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool.

But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the
truth or not, that;s up to them.

Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't

What consensus is this? Why is it the only people in this thread who use the word consensus use it to describe something that is absolutely not the consensus view?
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TL+ Member
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
November 09 2019 22:09 GMT
#318
On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.


Like any forum

forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.

Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias

Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era


Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view.


No problem, I always do my research and present facts

I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool.

But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the
truth or not, that;s up to them.

Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't


I can honestly say that the amount of research you've done shows. And that's a statement you can take to the bank.

People who have a different perception of the current super-clear consensus about Maru's place in the GOAT pantheon obviously are exactly the same as flat-earthers. I'm going to be unlike them and get on your side, unknown internet citizen who's posted 3 times in a forum and cites no sources! To do otherwise would be against all reason.
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
dtgoal
Profile Joined November 2019
7 Posts
November 09 2019 23:07 GMT
#319
On November 10 2019 07:09 neutralrobot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.


Like any forum

forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.

Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias

Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era


Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view.


No problem, I always do my research and present facts

I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool.

But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the
truth or not, that;s up to them.

Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't


I can honestly say that the amount of research you've done shows. And that's a statement you can take to the bank.

People who have a different perception of the current super-clear consensus about Maru's place in the GOAT pantheon obviously are exactly the same as flat-earthers. I'm going to be unlike them and get on your side, unknown internet citizen who's posted 3 times in a forum and cites no sources! To do otherwise would be against all reason.


Consensus don't need sources, well know fact among most people
dtgoal
Profile Joined November 2019
7 Posts
November 09 2019 23:08 GMT
#320
On November 10 2019 07:05 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2019 06:28 dtgoal wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:50 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:34 dtgoal wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:17 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 10 2019 04:13 dtgoal wrote:
On November 09 2019 07:06 deacon.frost wrote:
On November 09 2019 04:38 TheAnarchy wrote:
On November 08 2019 19:51 Poopi wrote:
And there are still people doubting about Maru being GOAT. INno was before 2018 though


Maru only play leagues and in a way less competitive era. Before that he only won 2 premier which is pretty mediocre at least.
That’s why there is a consensus maru not top3.

So much for the consensus that he lost the aforemention GOAT thing by 1 vote and was 2nd. Where does this consensus come from?


A few people on TL forum voting does not represent the SC2 community

The community has a consensus that Maru isn't even top 3.

Consensus that life is the GOAT soon to be taken over by Serral by the end of next year. The new Goat


I guess the real sc2 community is some shadowy cabal that doesn't show itself online.


Like any forum

forum = die hard fans, but minority of the fanbase.

Only on SC2 forum will people tell you maru is the goat since most posters are terran bias

Ask most fans outside of forum? Well it's a landslide and consensus that he isn't even top 3 or top 5. Won in a very weak korean scene era


Well thanks for making an account to let us know. And thanks for doing such extensive field research also. When you're walled in by communities like TL and reddit and twitch streamers and tournament commentators, it's easy to get a skewed view.


No problem, I always do my research and present facts

I don't mind some people thinking Maru is Goat, that's their opinion so it's cool.

But at the same time, just have to let them know that the consensus says he isn't top 3. Whether they want to accept the
truth or not, that;s up to them.

Just like there are still some people that think the Earth it flat, when the consensus and facts says it isn't

What consensus is this? Why is it the only people in this thread who use the word consensus use it to describe something that is absolutely not the consensus view?


Not a consensus on this forum, but it's a consensus view outside of this forum
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