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On October 28 2019 09:48 StarcraftSquall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 04:23 Anc13nt wrote:On October 28 2019 04:01 Konage47 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:38 La1 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match.. Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame.. I hope he gets rolled.. I was just playing devil advocate to the bracket tinfoilers, but in all honestly the bottom bracket is extremely stacked. if Maru wins he would have to go through the best ZvTer, top 3 Zerg in Rogue that knows all his build orders, and then potentially face Serral that will see how he plays ZvT which is a huge disadvantage. If he somehow wins it I would consider him goat being that the meta is zerg favor and how the brackets are. I think Maru will be GOAT as long as he makes it to the finals. If he wins, he will be the clear GOAT as no one can keep making the argument that "he can't be GOAT because he's bad at weekenders" (while simultaneously believing Serral can become GOAT even though he has never played in Code S lol). For the record, I believe Serral can be GOAT without winning GSL but I'm just pointing out that if Maru can't be GOAT because he's weaker in weekender tournaments, then neither can Serral unless you believe that Serral winning GSLs in a counterfactual is almost as good as winning them in reality. Serral can be GOAT because he has won in every style. He has repeatedly said he doesn’t feel the need to participate in Code S as he feels it is unfair to the Korean players to take one of their spots. Maru on the other hand - well, we’ve seen him get bopped on multiple occasions. I’ll reiterate this: the reason we have not seen Maru vs Serral since the debate started is solely on Maru. Not only has serral never competed in Korea, but he never competed when the game was healthy and at its highest level. Now, maybe you are a new player and have no idea about sc2 and its history, but because of the incredibly low level of play we see now (since Proleague disbanded and all korean teams but jin air disappeared) i would not even put serral as the best foreigner of all time.
I personally believe Stephano was a better foreigner because he was going head to head vs koreans at their peak forms AND innovated sc2 with max roach timings.
Serral is a great player but plays in a really low skill era, where competition is at its weakest since the early WoL days.
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Man this looks grim for maru...he has to go through probably two zergs to get to the finals and even if he does manage to make it, he would have given away a lot about his strategy, weaknesses, etc.
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i honestly think 5 zerg in world championship ro8 is as bad as 7 toss in ro8 of super tournament.
elazer was the only zerg to lose a series against a toss-terran. and now its extremely likely that we both get a ZVZ final and zerg taking their 3d world championship.
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On October 28 2019 10:29 GalacticFox wrote:
Man this looks grim for maru...he has to go through probably two zergs to get to the finals and even if he does manage to make it, he would have given away a lot about his strategy, weaknesses, etc.
I think Trap has a better shot to go far, Reynor is doable and then if soO somehow manage to beat Serral it's also possible, can't see him winning the final under any circumstance tho 
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On October 28 2019 06:51 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 06:48 Charoisaur wrote:On October 28 2019 06:13 Xain0n wrote:
People on this forum are so eager to see Maru crowned GOAT, it's insane; it's also surprising how revered he is whenever he loses..
So ironic... don't worry he won't notice it, next he will reply that you hate Serral or something in that vein
I will instead reply that I was never claiming for Serral to be called GOAT and those who do are exhalted; on the other hand, only extreme bias can lead to place Serral 18th in achievements on a GOAT list.
I also want to remind you that a flock of vultures descended on Serral in the rare occasions he actually lost, while Maru's much more frequent losses are mourned like the fall of a messiah.
On October 28 2019 06:56 MarianoSC2 wrote:
The whining against protoss immortal pushes was justified, and the strat was rightfully nerfed. The problem is that Blizz did not want to hear the also rightful concerns about Zerg lategame. We all now know about the BL range bug yet its still not fixed, for example.
Your perception in this is just plain wrong. We cant keep something that is obviously broken in the game and argument with: Hey, just do not let them get there. Do an immortal push, which is also very strong. It leads to boring games for both players and viewers.
I get that you are happy with all this, because your beloved Serral and Reynor are doing great, but its not good for the sport, game overall and its not even good for the community.
Just try to be less biased and see the big picture pls
P.S. TvP is in the best state it was over the past couple of years. Protoss is not overnerfed, its just that Zerg is OP, especially in ZvP. Even the players are openly admiting this, so why not be open about it in the community as well?
Nerfing Warp Prism's range and cost was a righful decision(I was for it) while decreasing the cost of Overlord's speed was a very bad idea as it was not giving Protoss better options to face Zerg in the lategame; constantly whining against Protoss created the perception the race was plainly overpowered in the matchup, leading to the consequences we can observe now. Instead, Warp Prisms+Immortals were needed to counterbalance Zerg's superiority in the late game!
TvP earlier this year is another perfect example of a kind of percentually balanced but incredibly uneven matchup, with roles reversed(Terran had to push before speedy Tempests could become impossible to deal with); in that case, however, many tears were shed against the inevitability of Protoss's strategies. Guess why? Ironic, isn't it?
In any of case, I must have not explained myself well since I do not support the idea of grossly uneven matchups and I agree with you when you say that this leads to boring games. I also agree that Zerg is too strong in ZvP right now and that TvP is enjoyable at the moment but you should not overcommit to nerfing Zerg now; Terran is actually favored in the lategame against Protoss with slow Tempests in addiction to weak Mothership and Carriers, you could fix ZvP's lategame without ruining TvP as it is at the moment.
I don't like any race being overpowered and you should be the one who's glad of Zerg being overpowered, Serral definitely does not need that to triumph while your beloved Rogue curiously when he can abuse Zerg at its worst(or best).
On October 28 2019 07:59 JJH777 wrote:
Wasn't Maru set to go against either Dark or Reynor and it was just random draw at that point? I know parts of it were decided but I thought the final set parts of the bracket were random draw. Him against Reynor first would be a much easier bracket.
No, there was no randomness except for the side of the bracket Reynor and Rogue were going to be drawn; Maru's pairing was predetermined, he would have faced Reynor if Elazer would have been the one advancing.
On October 28 2019 08:29 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 07:29 tilhorizon wrote:On October 28 2019 01:34 Monster3 wrote:
A number of players got their best match-ups;
Serral (best ZvZ in the world)
Rogue (best ZvP in the world)
Dark (best ZvT in the world)
They are also the three form players (won the last three major tournaments). I'm hard pressed to see how they don't win their respective Ro8s as both form and historical strength is in their favor. The only one I'd question probably is Dark vs Maru, as historically Maru has had the best TvZ in the world.
alligulac says something else rogue best zvp ? rogue vs p is 62,2 % winrate / serral 68,6% winrate dark best zvt ? dark vs t is 65,9% winrate / serral 67 % winrate if you have to bet on a zerg to play vs any other race serral would be the smartest choice on any matchup Be careful how you quote statistics. 65.9% isn't necessarily worse than 67% if the qualities of opponents are different. Serral is indeed the best by far at ZvP, though. For now, Dark has proven that he is at least on par with Serral at ZvT.
Overall, Dark's ZvT was far more impressive last year even if it looked as sharp as ever(even better, he actually eliminated Maru this time) at Super Tournament.
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Everyone has a hard opponent except Serral... wonder why that's so
Also, not sure why people think Zerg is imbalanced or something. Trap beat Elazer, who was a GSL vs. The World finalist. We all know how much GSL vs. The World counts when it comes to skill level, right? Winning GSL vs. The World makes you the best player in the world... so getting second place is nothing to scoff at.
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Here are the facts about the draw: there were two pools: Winners and Runners-Up
Group A: Dark, Serral, Reynor, Rogue
Group B: soO, Maru, Classic, Trap
Every player in Group A would be paired with someone in Group B.
Since Serral and Dark were both #1 in their regions they were required to be placed on opposite sides of the bracket.
Any player who won their group would not be placed with the corresponding runner up from their group and vice versa: If the following pairings were drawn, they were redrawn: Dark vs soO, Serral vs Maru, Reynor vs Classic, Rogue vs Trap
Each player had only three potential opponents they would be paired with in the Ro8. Its not rigged: it’s just BlizzCon and no one is here by accident.
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Serral - soO 3-0
soO is not who he was at Katowice, Serral advances easily
Reynor - Trap 3-1
Trap has been good, but Protoss is dead.
Rouge - Classic 3-2
Classic has the best shot of any, he'll make it close but see Reynor - Trap
Dark - Maru 3-1
If it were early season God King Maru, maybe, but given the current meta he hasn't got a prayer
And then I stop giving a fuck.
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My predictions:
Serral 3-0 soO
Reynor 3-2 Trap
Rogue 3-2 Classic
Dark 1-3 Maru
Serral 3-1 Reynor
Rogue 1-3 Maru
Serral 4-3 Maru
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On October 28 2019 10:29 Sabaton94 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 09:48 StarcraftSquall wrote:On October 28 2019 04:23 Anc13nt wrote:On October 28 2019 04:01 Konage47 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:38 La1 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match.. Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame.. I hope he gets rolled.. I was just playing devil advocate to the bracket tinfoilers, but in all honestly the bottom bracket is extremely stacked. if Maru wins he would have to go through the best ZvTer, top 3 Zerg in Rogue that knows all his build orders, and then potentially face Serral that will see how he plays ZvT which is a huge disadvantage. If he somehow wins it I would consider him goat being that the meta is zerg favor and how the brackets are. I think Maru will be GOAT as long as he makes it to the finals. If he wins, he will be the clear GOAT as no one can keep making the argument that "he can't be GOAT because he's bad at weekenders" (while simultaneously believing Serral can become GOAT even though he has never played in Code S lol). For the record, I believe Serral can be GOAT without winning GSL but I'm just pointing out that if Maru can't be GOAT because he's weaker in weekender tournaments, then neither can Serral unless you believe that Serral winning GSLs in a counterfactual is almost as good as winning them in reality. Serral can be GOAT because he has won in every style. He has repeatedly said he doesn’t feel the need to participate in Code S as he feels it is unfair to the Korean players to take one of their spots. Maru on the other hand - well, we’ve seen him get bopped on multiple occasions. I’ll reiterate this: the reason we have not seen Maru vs Serral since the debate started is solely on Maru. Not only has serral never competed in Korea, but he never competed when the game was healthy and at its highest level. Now, maybe you are a new player and have no idea about sc2 and its history, but because of the incredibly low level of play we see now (since Proleague disbanded and all korean teams but jin air disappeared) i would not even put serral as the best foreigner of all time. I personally believe Stephano was a better foreigner because he was going head to head vs koreans at their peak forms AND innovated sc2 with max roach timings. Serral is a great player but plays in a really low skill era, where competition is at its weakest since the early WoL days.
Agreed much with this. I don't get the logic how Serral's performances in these two years surpassed GSL's caliber players during their peak performances. You cannot simply put Serral's current performances topped over the Innovation's past performances.
For the case of foreigners, I would like to swap Stephano with Naniwa even though the latter lacked the sportsmanship value.
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On October 28 2019 12:03 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 10:29 Sabaton94 wrote:On October 28 2019 09:48 StarcraftSquall wrote:On October 28 2019 04:23 Anc13nt wrote:On October 28 2019 04:01 Konage47 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:38 La1 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match.. Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame.. I hope he gets rolled.. I was just playing devil advocate to the bracket tinfoilers, but in all honestly the bottom bracket is extremely stacked. if Maru wins he would have to go through the best ZvTer, top 3 Zerg in Rogue that knows all his build orders, and then potentially face Serral that will see how he plays ZvT which is a huge disadvantage. If he somehow wins it I would consider him goat being that the meta is zerg favor and how the brackets are. I think Maru will be GOAT as long as he makes it to the finals. If he wins, he will be the clear GOAT as no one can keep making the argument that "he can't be GOAT because he's bad at weekenders" (while simultaneously believing Serral can become GOAT even though he has never played in Code S lol). For the record, I believe Serral can be GOAT without winning GSL but I'm just pointing out that if Maru can't be GOAT because he's weaker in weekender tournaments, then neither can Serral unless you believe that Serral winning GSLs in a counterfactual is almost as good as winning them in reality. Serral can be GOAT because he has won in every style. He has repeatedly said he doesn’t feel the need to participate in Code S as he feels it is unfair to the Korean players to take one of their spots. Maru on the other hand - well, we’ve seen him get bopped on multiple occasions. I’ll reiterate this: the reason we have not seen Maru vs Serral since the debate started is solely on Maru. Not only has serral never competed in Korea, but he never competed when the game was healthy and at its highest level. Now, maybe you are a new player and have no idea about sc2 and its history, but because of the incredibly low level of play we see now (since Proleague disbanded and all korean teams but jin air disappeared) i would not even put serral as the best foreigner of all time. I personally believe Stephano was a better foreigner because he was going head to head vs koreans at their peak forms AND innovated sc2 with max roach timings. Serral is a great player but plays in a really low skill era, where competition is at its weakest since the early WoL days. Agreed much with this. I don't get the logic how Serral's performances in these two years surpassed GSL's caliber players during their peak performances. You cannot simply put Serral's current performances topped over the Innovation's past performances. For the case of foreigners, I would like to swap Stephano with Naniwa even though the latter lacked the sportsmanship value.
Not to mention the highly zerg favoured meta Serral is playing in...
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Northern Ireland26252 Posts
On October 28 2019 12:03 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 10:29 Sabaton94 wrote:On October 28 2019 09:48 StarcraftSquall wrote:On October 28 2019 04:23 Anc13nt wrote:On October 28 2019 04:01 Konage47 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:38 La1 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match.. Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame.. I hope he gets rolled.. I was just playing devil advocate to the bracket tinfoilers, but in all honestly the bottom bracket is extremely stacked. if Maru wins he would have to go through the best ZvTer, top 3 Zerg in Rogue that knows all his build orders, and then potentially face Serral that will see how he plays ZvT which is a huge disadvantage. If he somehow wins it I would consider him goat being that the meta is zerg favor and how the brackets are. I think Maru will be GOAT as long as he makes it to the finals. If he wins, he will be the clear GOAT as no one can keep making the argument that "he can't be GOAT because he's bad at weekenders" (while simultaneously believing Serral can become GOAT even though he has never played in Code S lol). For the record, I believe Serral can be GOAT without winning GSL but I'm just pointing out that if Maru can't be GOAT because he's weaker in weekender tournaments, then neither can Serral unless you believe that Serral winning GSLs in a counterfactual is almost as good as winning them in reality. Serral can be GOAT because he has won in every style. He has repeatedly said he doesn’t feel the need to participate in Code S as he feels it is unfair to the Korean players to take one of their spots. Maru on the other hand - well, we’ve seen him get bopped on multiple occasions. I’ll reiterate this: the reason we have not seen Maru vs Serral since the debate started is solely on Maru. Not only has serral never competed in Korea, but he never competed when the game was healthy and at its highest level. Now, maybe you are a new player and have no idea about sc2 and its history, but because of the incredibly low level of play we see now (since Proleague disbanded and all korean teams but jin air disappeared) i would not even put serral as the best foreigner of all time. I personally believe Stephano was a better foreigner because he was going head to head vs koreans at their peak forms AND innovated sc2 with max roach timings. Serral is a great player but plays in a really low skill era, where competition is at its weakest since the early WoL days. Agreed much with this. I don't get the logic how Serral's performances in these two years surpassed GSL's caliber players during their peak performances. You cannot simply put Serral's current performances topped over the Innovation's past performances. For the case of foreigners, I would like to swap Stephano with Naniwa even though the latter lacked the sportsmanship value.
If you’re honestly suggesting Naniwa is above Serral in the pantheon of foreigners you’re an utter lunatic.
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On October 28 2019 12:10 GalacticFox wrote:
Not to mention the highly zerg favoured meta Serral is playing in...
If you remove Serral's wins from the past 2 years, I highly doubt anyone would be crying Zerg imba.
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On October 28 2019 10:29 Sabaton94 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 09:48 StarcraftSquall wrote:On October 28 2019 04:23 Anc13nt wrote:On October 28 2019 04:01 Konage47 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:38 La1 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match.. Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame.. I hope he gets rolled.. I was just playing devil advocate to the bracket tinfoilers, but in all honestly the bottom bracket is extremely stacked. if Maru wins he would have to go through the best ZvTer, top 3 Zerg in Rogue that knows all his build orders, and then potentially face Serral that will see how he plays ZvT which is a huge disadvantage. If he somehow wins it I would consider him goat being that the meta is zerg favor and how the brackets are. I think Maru will be GOAT as long as he makes it to the finals. If he wins, he will be the clear GOAT as no one can keep making the argument that "he can't be GOAT because he's bad at weekenders" (while simultaneously believing Serral can become GOAT even though he has never played in Code S lol). For the record, I believe Serral can be GOAT without winning GSL but I'm just pointing out that if Maru can't be GOAT because he's weaker in weekender tournaments, then neither can Serral unless you believe that Serral winning GSLs in a counterfactual is almost as good as winning them in reality. Serral can be GOAT because he has won in every style. He has repeatedly said he doesn’t feel the need to participate in Code S as he feels it is unfair to the Korean players to take one of their spots. Maru on the other hand - well, we’ve seen him get bopped on multiple occasions. I’ll reiterate this: the reason we have not seen Maru vs Serral since the debate started is solely on Maru. Not only has serral never competed in Korea, but he never competed when the game was healthy and at its highest level. Now, maybe you are a new player and have no idea about sc2 and its history, but because of the incredibly low level of play we see now (since Proleague disbanded and all korean teams but jin air disappeared) i would not even put serral as the best foreigner of all time. I personally believe Stephano was a better foreigner because he was going head to head vs koreans at their peak forms AND innovated sc2 with max roach timings. Serral is a great player but plays in a really low skill era, where competition is at its weakest since the early WoL days.
I disagree completely. I've been following BW and SC2 for 20 years and Serral is among the best of the best. To me, Life was one of the best players of all time and Serral is very similar to Life. However, my opinion and your opinion are entirely anecdotal. All we have to go off of is results an Serral's results are incredible.
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Liquipedia says all the games will be played out on Nov 1? Wow...that must be exhausting for the players then...I wish semifinals was on Nov 2 and finals on Nov 3.
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On October 28 2019 11:03 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 06:51 starkiller123 wrote:On October 28 2019 06:48 Charoisaur wrote:On October 28 2019 06:13 Xain0n wrote:
People on this forum are so eager to see Maru crowned GOAT, it's insane; it's also surprising how revered he is whenever he loses..
So ironic... don't worry he won't notice it, next he will reply that you hate Serral or something in that vein I will instead reply that I was never claiming for Serral to be called GOAT and those who do are exhalted; on the other hand, only extreme bias can lead to place Serral 18th in achievements on a GOAT list. I also want to remind you that a flock of vultures descended on Serral in the rare occasions he actually lost, while Maru's much more frequent losses are mourned like the fall of a messiah.
Don't try to take a moral highground that's laughable.
Maybe you don't call him GOAT but you're constantly spamming how he's player of the year, most dominant player ever, most skilled player ever etc and I don't have to talk about your reactions when he loses.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 28 2019 14:33 roflQUAFFLE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 12:10 GalacticFox wrote:
Not to mention the highly zerg favoured meta Serral is playing in...
If you remove Serral's wins from the past 2 years, I highly doubt anyone would be crying Zerg imba.
If you remove his victories from the zerg favoring meta he didn't win anything this year except WCS ?
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On October 28 2019 09:48 StarcraftSquall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 04:23 Anc13nt wrote:On October 28 2019 04:01 Konage47 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:38 La1 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match.. Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame.. I hope he gets rolled.. I was just playing devil advocate to the bracket tinfoilers, but in all honestly the bottom bracket is extremely stacked. if Maru wins he would have to go through the best ZvTer, top 3 Zerg in Rogue that knows all his build orders, and then potentially face Serral that will see how he plays ZvT which is a huge disadvantage. If he somehow wins it I would consider him goat being that the meta is zerg favor and how the brackets are. I think Maru will be GOAT as long as he makes it to the finals. If he wins, he will be the clear GOAT as no one can keep making the argument that "he can't be GOAT because he's bad at weekenders" (while simultaneously believing Serral can become GOAT even though he has never played in Code S lol). For the record, I believe Serral can be GOAT without winning GSL but I'm just pointing out that if Maru can't be GOAT because he's weaker in weekender tournaments, then neither can Serral unless you believe that Serral winning GSLs in a counterfactual is almost as good as winning them in reality. Serral can be GOAT because he has won in every style. He has repeatedly said he doesn’t feel the need to participate in Code S as he feels it is unfair to the Korean players to take one of their spots. Maru on the other hand - well, we’ve seen him get bopped on multiple occasions. I’ll reiterate this: the reason we have not seen Maru vs Serral since the debate started is solely on Maru.
Is trying and failing worse than not trying at all?
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 28 2019 17:28 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2019 09:48 StarcraftSquall wrote:On October 28 2019 04:23 Anc13nt wrote:On October 28 2019 04:01 Konage47 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:38 La1 wrote:On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match.. Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame.. I hope he gets rolled.. I was just playing devil advocate to the bracket tinfoilers, but in all honestly the bottom bracket is extremely stacked. if Maru wins he would have to go through the best ZvTer, top 3 Zerg in Rogue that knows all his build orders, and then potentially face Serral that will see how he plays ZvT which is a huge disadvantage. If he somehow wins it I would consider him goat being that the meta is zerg favor and how the brackets are. I think Maru will be GOAT as long as he makes it to the finals. If he wins, he will be the clear GOAT as no one can keep making the argument that "he can't be GOAT because he's bad at weekenders" (while simultaneously believing Serral can become GOAT even though he has never played in Code S lol). For the record, I believe Serral can be GOAT without winning GSL but I'm just pointing out that if Maru can't be GOAT because he's weaker in weekender tournaments, then neither can Serral unless you believe that Serral winning GSLs in a counterfactual is almost as good as winning them in reality. Serral can be GOAT because he has won in every style. He has repeatedly said he doesn’t feel the need to participate in Code S as he feels it is unfair to the Korean players to take one of their spots. Maru on the other hand - well, we’ve seen him get bopped on multiple occasions. I’ll reiterate this: the reason we have not seen Maru vs Serral since the debate started is solely on Maru. Is trying and failing worse than not trying at all?
In every style. Literally didn't win any preparational tournament.
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