EPTOn October 28 2019 04:46 starkiller123 wrote:
yeah I'm diamond 1 right now and I'm so bad balance dosent really effect my games lol
yeah I'm diamond 1 right now and I'm so bad balance dosent really effect my games lol
I feel you brother lmao
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
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Pentarp
227 Posts
The only reason Zergs are getting so much attention is because even the Protoss are feeling the crunch. Back when BL/infestor were dominating at the end of WoL, there was still the Parting immortal timing that kept winrates pretty decent for the Protoss (and archon toilets too). | ||
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
On October 28 2019 05:09 Pentarp wrote: 5 Zergs, 2 Protoss, 1 Terran. The RO8 representation mirrors exactly how I feel about the state of the game rightnow. The only reason Zergs are getting so much attention is because even the Protoss are feeling the crunch. Back when BL/infestor were dominating at the end of WoL, there was still the Parting immortal timing that kept winrates pretty decent for the Protoss (and archon toilets too). Archon toilets was the coolest thing toss have had | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 28 2019 05:09 Pentarp wrote: 5 Zergs, 2 Protoss, 1 Terran. The RO8 representation mirrors exactly how I feel about the state of the game rightnow. The only reason Zergs are getting so much attention is because even the Protoss are feeling the crunch. Back when BL/infestor were dominating at the end of WoL, there was still the Parting immortal timing that kept winrates pretty decent for the Protoss (and archon toilets too). There was also the MC style which emerged right at the end of WoL and looked promising. Basically you had MS, some archons, some colossi, four to six carriers, templars and many void rays. And it looked nice and dandy even at GSL RO8  A little bit polishing and it would be IMO playable. Even without the archon toilet(which was possible if you got the chance, obv ). | ||
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Howard_Kao
China261 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
People on this forum are so eager to see Maru crowned GOAT, it's insane; it's also surprising how revered he is whenever he loses.. Then there's some random ZvZ hate like it was the monodimensional matchup it used to be in HoTS. But hey, I start seeing more people complaining about every trick the Zerg race has: "free units, omg". Is TL turning into Twitch chat, I wonder? I'll repeat it once more: your constant, mindless whining against Protoss made Blizzard overnerf a not overpowered race, so that the(figured out) Immortal timings are now less effective than ever and you can enjoy your beloved Broodlord Infestor composition more often than ever. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 28 2019 06:08 Howard_Kao wrote: Will letting infestors not able to neuro massive units make the zerg late games a more enjoyable thing to watch or not? It certainly shouldn't happen to the hero unit I don't know, massing spellcasters is bad. They nerfed the shit out of ravens and now they sit and watch infestors... like, seriously? Where's the decisive action now? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16063 Posts
On October 28 2019 06:13 Xain0n wrote: People on this forum are so eager to see Maru crowned GOAT, it's insane; it's also surprising how revered he is whenever he loses.. So ironic... | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
don't worry he won't notice it, next he will reply that you hate Serral or something in that vein | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On October 28 2019 05:33 Conut wrote: Archon toilets was the coolest thing toss have had Finally, someone who sees it the way I do, although I don't know if it was the coolest. It needs to be brought back, albeit in a nerfed format. It was always fun to see it being used, except when it completely wrecked half an army. I'd love to see it again. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On October 28 2019 06:13 Xain0n wrote: Same old, same old. People on this forum are so eager to see Maru crowned GOAT, it's insane; it's also surprising how revered he is whenever he loses.. Then there's some random ZvZ hate like it was the monodimensional matchup it used to be in HoTS. But hey, I start seeing more people complaining about every trick the Zerg race has: "free units, omg". Is TL turning into Twitch chat, I wonder? I'll repeat it once more: your constant, mindless whining against Protoss made Blizzard overnerf a not overpowered race, so that the(figured out) Immortal timings are now less effective than ever and you can enjoy your beloved Broodlord Infestor composition more often than ever. The whining against protoss immortal pushes was justified, and the strat was rightfully nerfed. The problem is that Blizz did not want to hear the also rightful concerns about Zerg lategame. We all now know about the BL range bug yet its still not fixed, for example. Your perception in this is just plain wrong. We cant keep something that is obviously broken in the game and argument with: Hey, just do not let them get there. Do an immortal push, which is also very strong. It leads to boring games for both players and viewers. I get that you are happy with all this, because your beloved Serral and Reynor are doing great, but its not good for the sport, game overall and its not even good for the community. Just try to be less biased and see the big picture pls P.S. TvP is in the best state it was over the past couple of years. Protoss is not overnerfed, its just that Zerg is OP, especially in ZvP. Even the players are openly admiting this, so why not be open about it in the community as well? | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On October 28 2019 06:13 Xain0n wrote: Same old, same old. People on this forum are so eager to see Maru crowned GOAT, it's insane; it's also surprising how revered he is whenever he loses.. Then there's some random ZvZ hate like it was the monodimensional matchup it used to be in HoTS. But hey, I start seeing more people complaining about every trick the Zerg race has: "free units, omg". Is TL turning into Twitch chat, I wonder? I'll repeat it once more: your constant, mindless whining against Protoss made Blizzard overnerf a not overpowered race, so that the(figured out) Immortal timings are now less effective than ever and you can enjoy your beloved Broodlord Infestor composition more often than ever. Those immortal timings really were fricken OP, though. It was probably one of the main reasons why Serral said ZvP was his toughest MU. Only problem was that Blizzard lacked foresight when they nerfed Protoss' early-mid timing potential without understanding the advantage lategame Zerg had. They did this even while Aligulac was showing Protoss as clearly lagging behind, and Zerg ahead. At that time, going lategame v Zerg wasn't as common, due to those early-mid aggression power, so people weren't so vocal about lategame Zerg. That nerf to Protoss only made it much more apparent, since it made it easier to go into lategame. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote: love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up Geez. Brackets had nothing to do with Blizz and everything to do with how the players performed in the season and in the ro16. | ||
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
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tilhorizon
Germany191 Posts
On October 28 2019 01:34 Monster3 wrote: A number of players got their best match-ups; Serral (best ZvZ in the world) Rogue (best ZvP in the world) Dark (best ZvT in the world) They are also the three form players (won the last three major tournaments). I'm hard pressed to see how they don't win their respective Ro8s as both form and historical strength is in their favor. The only one I'd question probably is Dark vs Maru, as historically Maru has had the best TvZ in the world. alligulac says something else rogue best zvp ? rogue vs p is 62,2 % winrate / serral 68,6% winrate dark best zvt ? dark vs t is 65,9% winrate / serral 67 % winrate if you have to bet on a zerg to play vs any other race serral would be the smartest choice on any matchup | ||
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JJH777
United States4418 Posts
On October 28 2019 07:16 Dave4 wrote: Geez. Brackets had nothing to do with Blizz and everything to do with how the players performed in the season and in the ro16. Wasn't Maru set to go against either Dark or Reynor and it was just random draw at that point? I know parts of it were decided but I thought the final set parts of the bracket were random draw. Him against Reynor first would be a much easier bracket. | ||
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On October 28 2019 07:29 tilhorizon wrote: alligulac says something else rogue best zvp ? rogue vs p is 62,2 % winrate / serral 68,6% winrate dark best zvt ? dark vs t is 65,9% winrate / serral 67 % winrate if you have to bet on a zerg to play vs any other race serral would be the smartest choice on any matchup Be careful how you quote statistics. 65.9% isn't necessarily worse than 67% if the qualities of opponents are different. Serral is indeed the best by far at ZvP, though. For now, Dark has proven that he is at least on par with Serral at ZvT. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
On October 28 2019 06:13 Xain0n wrote: Same old, same old. People on this forum are so eager to see Maru crowned GOAT, it's insane; it's also surprising how revered he is whenever he loses.. Then there's some random ZvZ hate like it was the monodimensional matchup it used to be in HoTS. But hey, I start seeing more people complaining about every trick the Zerg race has: "free units, omg". Is TL turning into Twitch chat, I wonder? I'll repeat it once more: your constant, mindless whining against Protoss made Blizzard overnerf a not overpowered race, so that the(figured out) Immortal timings are now less effective than ever and you can enjoy your beloved Broodlord Infestor composition more often than ever. Can you blame people? Many people actually root for their own race, and this year has been extremely tough for protoss and terran fans. Its just all zerg.. I can accept it that my favorite race doesnt always win, but this year is just frustrating as a terran fan. At some point people will start complaining about it.. | ||
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StarcraftSquall
United States196 Posts
On October 28 2019 04:23 Anc13nt wrote: I think Maru will be GOAT as long as he makes it to the finals. If he wins, he will be the clear GOAT as no one can keep making the argument that "he can't be GOAT because he's bad at weekenders" (while simultaneously believing Serral can become GOAT even though he has never played in Code S lol). For the record, I believe Serral can be GOAT without winning GSL but I'm just pointing out that if Maru can't be GOAT because he's weaker in weekender tournaments, then neither can Serral unless you believe that Serral winning GSLs in a counterfactual is almost as good as winning them in reality. Serral can be GOAT because he has won in every style. He has repeatedly said he doesn’t feel the need to participate in Code S as he feels it is unfair to the Korean players to take one of their spots. Maru on the other hand - well, we’ve seen him get bopped on multiple occasions. I’ll reiterate this: the reason we have not seen Maru vs Serral since the debate started is solely on Maru. | ||
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