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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
October 27 2019 17:51 GMT
#41
Rooting for every non-zerg here, at least in the Ro8. That's not a balance whine, I just like ZvZ the least out of all the matchups in the game and would be very sad if that's what the Ro4 looked like.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 27 2019 17:58 GMT
#42
While Serral might be the favourite, I think he could even lose to soO if soO has a great day and pulls out builds that give him the early advantage.

I hope we will see a good Maru at Blizzcon, although I wouldn't cheer for him if he plays against Serral.
Konage47
Profile Joined September 2018
6 Posts
October 27 2019 18:03 GMT
#43
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
October 27 2019 18:04 GMT
#44
On October 27 2019 23:45 Nakajin wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, Trap can beat Raynor?
Should be all zvz for now on, Maru had the best shot but I don't see him beating Dark


Maru-Dark could go either way, but Dark has to be considered the favourite right now, yeah. Trap-Reynor could be a close match, I'm not 100% sure what to expect. Trap is probably the best Protoss in the world right now.

The other two matches seem more certain to me. Of course soO could always pull out something spectacular, but I think it won't be close. And Classic... we've seen that he can come out with incredible tailored prep builds. He could do it. He'll probably find some way to make a series out of it. But he should get wrecked.
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
October 27 2019 18:10 GMT
#45
On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up


Sure, Blizzard rigged the bracket in Serral's favor.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-27 18:29:25
October 27 2019 18:29 GMT
#46
On October 28 2019 03:04 neutralrobot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2019 23:45 Nakajin wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, Trap can beat Raynor?
Should be all zvz for now on, Maru had the best shot but I don't see him beating Dark


Maru-Dark could go either way, but Dark has to be considered the favourite right now, yeah. Trap-Reynor could be a close match, I'm not 100% sure what to expect. Trap is probably the best Protoss in the world right now.

The other two matches seem more certain to me. Of course soO could always pull out something spectacular, but I think it won't be close. And Classic... we've seen that he can come out with incredible tailored prep builds. He could do it. He'll probably find some way to make a series out of it. But he should get wrecked.

soO is actually pretty good in vSerral even when he's slacking. I believe those 2 victories in the last NW were when he was slumping hard too.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
October 27 2019 18:29 GMT
#47
Honestly, I'm hoping for the less ZvZ possible (not complaining about balance, just from a spectator point of view), but it's looking like an all zerg ro4 is coming.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
October 27 2019 18:34 GMT
#48
z v z semi final and final is gonna create a loss in viewers for sure.
Sjow "pretty ez life as protoss"
La1
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom659 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-27 18:42:52
October 27 2019 18:38 GMT
#49
On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up


Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match..
Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame..

I hope he gets rolled..
pff
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1203 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-27 18:50:53
October 27 2019 18:40 GMT
#50
Predictions:

Serral 3-1 soO
Trap 3-2 Reynor
Classic 3-2 Rogue (why not, a man can dream, and Rogue seemed somewhat vulnerable to Neeb's cheddar)
Dark 3-0 Maru

Serral 3-1 Trap
Dark 3-1 Classic

Serral 4-1 Dark

Hoping Classic can make it to the finals, what a sexy and smart player. Going to miss him a lot.
Serral | Inno | sOs | soO | Has | Classic
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 27 2019 18:50 GMT
#51
On October 28 2019 03:38 La1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up


Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match..
Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame..

I hope he gets rolled..

He's more saying that it ended with stacked one side and less takced second side...
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Konage47
Profile Joined September 2018
6 Posts
October 27 2019 19:01 GMT
#52
On October 28 2019 03:38 La1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up


Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match..
Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame..

I hope he gets rolled..


I was just playing devil advocate to the bracket tinfoilers, but in all honestly the bottom bracket is extremely stacked. if Maru wins he would have to go through the best ZvTer, top 3 Zerg in Rogue that knows all his build orders, and then potentially face Serral that will see how he plays ZvT which is a huge disadvantage. If he somehow wins it I would consider him goat being that the meta is zerg favor and how the brackets are.
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-27 19:12:59
October 27 2019 19:09 GMT
#53
On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up


Your notion is real, but (when writing this) its also valid for Reynor and SoO.

Brackets now may favor Serral, but does they favor him then when we have the final match under our scrutiny (assuming Serral makes it that far)?

Successful Maru will have effectively best available, relevant ZvZ tactical data in use in the Finals, naturally applicable against himself too (assuming Maru makes it that far)?

Instead, its not that clear Maru must (or at least should) use his all Anti-Zerg strats before the final, as Zergs won't likely use them either unless necessary, but Zergs who use Anti-Maru strats succesfully against him also expand other Zergs' playbook when doing so, and Maru will be equally aware of that in that same moment it (may) happen.

Maru's uphill is all those zergs he must struggle against if being successful (and Protoss suck as expected), but in that uphill he can still himself control to some degree what he show to his Zerg opponents. Perceiving Zergs will all see what Maru want them to see.

Also Protoss players' experience vs Zerg is more beneficial for Maru, than it is for Zergs. Maru's perk in these circumstances is the fact that he is the only Terran left. No other Terran will interfere with his potential strats.

Good luck Maru! Now or never!
Part-time Serralogist
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
October 27 2019 19:14 GMT
#54
I really hope it will be an epic Maru vs Serral finals.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-27 19:30:47
October 27 2019 19:23 GMT
#55
On October 28 2019 04:01 Konage47 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2019 03:38 La1 wrote:
On October 28 2019 03:03 Konage47 wrote:
love how the odds are stacked against Maru here compared to Serrals bracket. Most likely he will have to somehow beat rogue and dark, and face serral after showing him all his builds. putting on my tinfoil hat and saying brackets are rigged to make it serral favor. Most likely zvz in the round of four and up


Maybe.. just maybe finishing top of your group meant you got an easier ro8 match..
Its hardly unfair, maru wasn't the highest ranked in wcs points and he didn't win his group.. only has himself to blame..

I hope he gets rolled..


I was just playing devil advocate to the bracket tinfoilers, but in all honestly the bottom bracket is extremely stacked. if Maru wins he would have to go through the best ZvTer, top 3 Zerg in Rogue that knows all his build orders, and then potentially face Serral that will see how he plays ZvT which is a huge disadvantage. If he somehow wins it I would consider him goat being that the meta is zerg favor and how the brackets are.


I think Maru will be GOAT as long as he makes it to the finals. If he wins, he will be the clear GOAT as no one can keep making the argument that "he can't be GOAT because he's bad at weekenders" (while simultaneously believing Serral can become GOAT even though he has never played in Code S lol).

For the record, I believe Serral can be GOAT without winning GSL but I'm just pointing out that if Maru can't be GOAT because he's weaker in weekender tournaments, then neither can Serral unless you believe that Serral winning GSLs in a counterfactual is almost as good as winning them in reality.
mindover
Profile Joined January 2019
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-27 19:23:52
October 27 2019 19:23 GMT
#56
Final = Serral vs Maru with 6 first games = 3-3
I come from the future
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
October 27 2019 19:31 GMT
#57
Man I know everyone is complaining but I just came back from WOL very early hots I skipped hots because I hated swarmhosts so basically I'm coming from infestor broodlord and swarmhost to current meta of infestor broodlord and swarm host.

Really hating the design of zergy bois, wish you couldnt neural massive units it kinda destroyed every army I have seen out of terran and protoss, if it wasnt in the game would zerg still be good?
Sc2 always got your back
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
October 27 2019 19:36 GMT
#58
On October 28 2019 04:31 Conut wrote:
Man I know everyone is complaining but I just came back from WOL very early hots I skipped hots because I hated swarmhosts so basically I'm coming from infestor broodlord and swarmhost to current meta of infestor broodlord and swarm host.

Really hating the design of zergy bois, wish you couldnt neural massive units it kinda destroyed every army I have seen out of terran and protoss, if it wasnt in the game would zerg still be good?

I'm sure zerg would still be fine, right now I'm not bothered by broodlord infestor in my ladder games I just find it incredibly awful to watch
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
October 27 2019 19:44 GMT
#59
On October 28 2019 04:36 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2019 04:31 Conut wrote:
Man I know everyone is complaining but I just came back from WOL very early hots I skipped hots because I hated swarmhosts so basically I'm coming from infestor broodlord and swarmhost to current meta of infestor broodlord and swarm host.

Really hating the design of zergy bois, wish you couldnt neural massive units it kinda destroyed every army I have seen out of terran and protoss, if it wasnt in the game would zerg still be good?

I'm sure zerg would still be fine, right now I'm not bothered by broodlord infestor in my ladder games I just find it incredibly awful to watch


Its boiled over for me from spectator to player, the zerg seem to have an answer for everything, mass air units mass ground units, chokepoints early defense movable buildings I usually dont look at balance since I'm just like low masters and I am always macroing and controlling my army like garbage but i still cant help but hate the balance.

At least I'm not protoss lol
Sc2 always got your back
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
October 27 2019 19:46 GMT
#60
On October 28 2019 04:44 Conut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2019 04:36 starkiller123 wrote:
On October 28 2019 04:31 Conut wrote:
Man I know everyone is complaining but I just came back from WOL very early hots I skipped hots because I hated swarmhosts so basically I'm coming from infestor broodlord and swarmhost to current meta of infestor broodlord and swarm host.

Really hating the design of zergy bois, wish you couldnt neural massive units it kinda destroyed every army I have seen out of terran and protoss, if it wasnt in the game would zerg still be good?

I'm sure zerg would still be fine, right now I'm not bothered by broodlord infestor in my ladder games I just find it incredibly awful to watch


Its boiled over for me from spectator to player, the zerg seem to have an answer for everything, mass air units mass ground units, chokepoints early defense movable buildings I usually dont look at balance since I'm just like low masters and I am always macroing and controlling my army like garbage but i still cant help but hate the balance.

At least I'm not protoss lol

yeah I'm diamond 1 right now and I'm so bad balance dosent really effect my games lol
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