On October 25 2019 20:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: are RO8 seedings random? I.e. coming from the same group is it at all possible for Serral and Maru to meet before grand finals? EDIT: ofc im only asking hypothetically, we all know its never going to happen anyways :/
Blizzard will surely update the rules so they can manipulate it the proper way the same way they did it the last Blizzcon.
? what are you referring to?
Our deacon.frost is a conspirationist. Brackets are rigged 24/7 in his opinion!
They are only rigged for Serral and the foreigners. They rigged all the tournaments during the whole year, and even rigged the patches so Serral would not end up with another Zerg in his group, thus handing him the easiest route to Blizzcon. 300IQ play by WCS and Bliz !
On October 25 2019 20:17 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: are RO8 seedings random? I.e. coming from the same group is it at all possible for Serral and Maru to meet before grand finals? EDIT: ofc im only asking hypothetically, we all know its never going to happen anyways :/
Blizzard will surely update the rules so they can manipulate it the proper way the same way they did it the last Blizzcon.
? what are you referring to?
Our deacon.frost is a conspirationist. Brackets are rigged 24/7 in his opinion!
They are only rigged for Serral and the foreigners. They rigged all the tournaments during the whole year, so Serral would not end up with another Zerg in his group. And they even rigged the patches to make Z OP, thus handing him the easiest route to Blizzcon. 300IQ play by WCS and Bliz !
deacon.frost already addressed this point: the rigging he referred to wasn't to favour foreigners/serral but to enable the possibility for a Maru vs Serral final.
When Blizzard would be smart (and Blizzard is normally smart), they would support Time and the Chinese Community, because there is a lot of money in the market. But Time got the hardest group, it's a proof for me that there is not any kind of manipulation from Blizzard.
On October 26 2019 00:25 Nakajin wrote: Guys group were done by seeding....
That was sarcasm by Mariano. He's more subtle than you would expect, he trolls very often! Like when he says that Maru has the best TvZ in history, Mariano is such a fun guy.
On October 26 2019 00:25 Nakajin wrote: Guys group were done by seeding....
That was sarcasm by Mariano. He's more subtle than you would expect, he trolls very often! Like when he says that Maru has the best TvZ in history, Mariano is such a fun guy.
I have been made! But seriously who is best TvZ player of all time in Sc2? Maru is arguably top 2 overall, and his TvZ stands out quite a lot, no?
Edit: Sry man, forgot about off race Serral of course
On October 26 2019 00:25 Nakajin wrote: Guys group were done by seeding....
That was sarcasm by Mariano. He's more subtle than you would expect, he trolls very often! Like when he says that Maru has the best TvZ in history, Mariano is such a fun guy.
I have been made! But seriously who is best TvZ player of all time in Sc2? Maru is arguably top 2 overall, and his TvZ stands out quite a lot, no?
Edit: Sry man, forgot about off race Serral of course
I think INno has the best tvz ever, then I would say TaeJa, then probably MVP then Maru. Maru success almost always came at time when zerg was weaker, and he never won a tournament over a zerg as far as I can remember. Hi tvz is much better in LOTV but in HOTS it was quite weak.
First: The rule may have always existed but the #1 Circuit player and #1 Korea player didn’t usually get to the Ro8 together. Was last year the first time? One of them usually was tripped in the Ro16.
The rule this year would not affect Maru: it would put Serral and Dark on opposite sides of the bracket as they are both through.
Maru and Serral will not meet before the Ro4. Having advanced from the same group it is impossible for them to be drawn together.
I think, by sheer evidence, it’s clear that Serral is a better player than Maru. More wins, more consistent play - and most importantly: he’s always held up his end of the bargain when a match with Maru was on the line. Maru on the other hand has failed to deliver time after time. Not sure what his record is in matches that would feed into a potential Maru Serral match but I know this: since April of last year he is 0-for-several. If Serral is drawn on his side of the bracket expect him to fail in the Ro8 again. It’s just what he does. Past performance has born that out.
On October 26 2019 00:25 Nakajin wrote: Guys group were done by seeding....
That was sarcasm by Mariano. He's more subtle than you would expect, he trolls very often! Like when he says that Maru has the best TvZ in history, Mariano is such a fun guy.
I have been made! But seriously who is best TvZ player of all time in Sc2? Maru is arguably top 2 overall, and his TvZ stands out quite a lot, no?
Edit: Sry man, forgot about off race Serral of course
It's weird because I always see Maru as TvP specialist since his first gsl victory against Rain and the resistance he put against protoss dominance in the first half of 2014... His mass medivacs style was wonderful. That said, innovation parade push and Taeja impenetrable defense are the tvz stuffs which impressed me the most (along with Dream but he wasn't consistent)... Maru is top 3 for sure with these boys.
On October 26 2019 00:25 Nakajin wrote: Guys group were done by seeding....
That was sarcasm by Mariano. He's more subtle than you would expect, he trolls very often! Like when he says that Maru has the best TvZ in history, Mariano is such a fun guy.
I have been made! But seriously who is best TvZ player of all time in Sc2? Maru is arguably top 2 overall, and his TvZ stands out quite a lot, no?
Edit: Sry man, forgot about off race Serral of course
I think INno has the best tvz ever, then I would say TaeJa, then probably MVP then Maru. Maru success almost always came at time when zerg was weaker, and he never won a tournament over a zerg as far as I can remember. Hi tvz is much better in LOTV but in HOTS it was quite weak.
He's the best tvp player ever for sure tho
Zerg wasn’t weak during his IEM / WESG run since Rogue beat him and Dark came very close. INno in HotS probably but not LotV, ByuN / Maru dominated TvZ on this game. TaeJa idk. Mvp obviously not, I know it’s old stuff but watch his games against Stephano in WCS, the micro back then wasn’t as good as today and I’d argue MKP was better than Mvp in WoL during the DRG era before Broodlord infestor (Mvp was good with ghosts though)
On October 26 2019 01:13 StarcraftSquall wrote: Couple of things:
First: The rule may have always existed but the #1 Circuit player and #1 Korea player didn’t usually get to the Ro8 together. Was last year the first time? One of them usually was tripped in the Ro16.
The rule this year would not affect Maru: it would put Serral and Dark on opposite sides of the bracket as they are both through.
Maru and Serral will not meet before the Ro4. Having advanced from the same group it is impossible for them to be drawn together.
I think, by sheer evidence, it’s clear that Serral is a better player than Maru. More wins, more consistent play - and most importantly: he’s always held up his end of the bargain when a match with Maru was on the line. Maru on the other hand has failed to deliver time after time. Not sure what his record is in matches that would feed into a potential Maru Serral match but I know this: since April of last year he is 0-for-several. If Serral is drawn on his side of the bracket expect him to fail in the Ro8 again. It’s just what he does. Past performance has born that out.
He's not as his vKorean matches are scarce and even with his domination he doesn't go that far away. Well, that's taken care off, what do you have next?
Serral crushed it today, to go 6-0 in the so called group of death just shows how above everybody else.
I don't get the hype about Maru. I saw his last 2 GSL wins (only got back into starcraft a while ago) and it seems his team provide amazing prep for him and he was abusing a proxy meta really badly (which is why he got rolled by SOS at blizzcon). He doesn't seem that impressive overall and gets rolled quite often if his initial plans fall apart. it showed again today with him not being able to adapt to time in the first series. then he crushed the second as he clearly had a few hours to go through the vods and adapt.
the most disappointing matches where from stats.. seems everything he did was wrong or ineffective, but then maybe that's just protoss at the moment.. seems all their expensive massive units are garbage.. should stick with mass HT's and storm.
Huh. Interesting... Different criteria I suppose, but for me it's Maru undisputed. His mechanics and late game control in TvZ is unmatched and no Terran came even close to his level of play across any expansion. Yes Inno has better stats but this is highly buffed by Zerg not having enough players in Korea like they used to during the fist 2 expos and Maru not reaching his absolute peak until LOTV. +Inno was always known for his robotic timing attacks and doing well when patches were T favored (like Hots mech TvZ).
Let's not forget Maru was the last Terran who made Serral look like a noob, was able to go toe to toe with Rogue during his peak and makes Dark bleed regularly while Dark is making sport of picking Terrans to his group and killing them.
When any top Zerg is asked who they would rather not play they say Maru, even Dark and Serral. And last but not least Maru is the only Terran who does not struggle in the MU even in this meta.
Maru wasn't always this monstrous I admit (he had tendency to die to Z cheese in Hots), but in the last 3 years he has shown a brand new level of TvZ we have never seen before. If this all does not put him at the absolute top I don't know what would.
It's a matter of consistency. Some players, like Maru, are able to dish out extremely impressive play here and there. And then there's Serral, who doesn't ever seem to have ever played poorly (okay, except for those couples of games where he threw harder than a major league pitcher against Reynor). Those games against TIME I felt TIME actually played extremely well... alas, when a 2800 FIDE GM goes up against Magnus Carlsen, "extremely well" still doesn't cut it. Serral is the Magnus of SC2. The rating gap between Serral and the 2nd best guy (Maru/Dark) right now is 200 points—please let that sink in. It's the gap between #2 and #8.
If anyone thinks that after this next major balance patch Serral will be exposed for being a patchzerg, they'll be rudely awakened in 2020.
On October 26 2019 02:19 MarianoSC2 wrote: Huh. Interesting... Different criteria I suppose, but for me it's Maru undisputed. His mechanics and late game control in TvZ is unmatched and no Terran came even close to his level of play across any expansion. Yes Inno has better stats but this is highly buffed by Zerg not having enough players in Korea like they used to during the fist 2 expos and Maru not reaching his absolute peak until LOTV. +Inno was always known for his robotic timing attacks and doing well when patches were T favored (like Hots mech TvZ).
Let's not forget Maru was the last Terran who made Serral look like a noob, was able to go toe to toe with Rogue during his peak and makes Dark bleed regularly while Dark is making sport of picking Terrans to his group and killing them.
When any top Zerg is asked who they would rather not play they say Maru, even Dark and Serral. And last but not least Maru is the only Terran who does not struggle in the MU even in this meta.
Maru wasn't always this monstrous I admit (he had tendency to die to Z cheese in Hots), but in the last 3 years he has shown a brand new level of TvZ we have never seen before. If this all does not put him at the absolute top I don't know what would.
Agreed. Inno is great at parade pushes and timings, but Maru can play any phase of the matchup flawlessly and does things in TvZ no other Terran is capable of. The current map pool will make it very difficult for him to get past Zerg, but would you honestly bet on anyone else?
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