EPTHes super talented sad to see him early but I love serral and Maru so go starcraft Haha
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Conut
Canada1026 Posts
Hes super talented sad to see him early but I love serral and Maru so go starcraft Haha | ||
Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On October 26 2019 05:08 Charoisaur wrote: the last 2 korean Blizzcon winners have lost their initial match to a foreigner. It looks good for Maru But the last 90 Blizzcon losers lost a match during the tournament  | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On October 26 2019 05:25 Conut wrote: I'm amazed that people thought stats played bad, granted I havent seen the games vs maru yet I had to sleep but the games vs serral looked great, he lost sure but each game felt close and showed protoss play at its finest, if zerg wasnt so broken late game I felt he outplayed serral alot of instances. Hes super talented sad to see him early but I love serral and Maru so go starcraft Haha You probably slept during the Serral Stats games as well you just dont remember. Stats played well in the first game, but he chose to auto-lose and try to beat BL/infestor with infinite risk-free nydus counter attacks. 2nd game he didnt scount and 3rd game he just made a huge mistake and let lings into his bases. People watching Stats regularly know that he is capable of much better plays. Not saying he was terrible, but he wasnt good either | ||
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StarcraftSquall
United States196 Posts
He's not as his vKorean matches are scarce and even with his domination he doesn't go that far away. Well, that's taken care off, what do you have next? What’s his record against Koreans when he plays them? He’s dropped three matches all year, all of them high profile, and one to Reynor. Maru couldn’t even get out of the Ro32 once this season in GSL. The point is Maru is the reason we’ve never got Maru vs Serral, it has never been Serral who failed to deliver. #FactsOnly | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 07:19 StarcraftSquall wrote: What’s his record against Koreans when he plays them? He’s dropped three matches all year, all of them high profile, and one to Reynor. Maru couldn’t even get out of the Ro32 once this season in GSL. The point is Maru is the reason we’ve never got Maru vs Serral, it has never been Serral who failed to deliver. #FactsOnly Serral couldn't get into RO32 COde S. The more Koreans you play the more you lose. That's a fact. Serral not playiong them that often can keep higher profile while not having it that high his fanboys are trying to persuade people he has. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26779 Posts
On October 26 2019 07:29 deacon.frost wrote: Serral couldn't get into RO32 COde S. The more Koreans you play the more you lose. That's a fact. Serral not playiong them that often can keep higher profile while not having it that high his fanboys are trying to persuade people he has. You’ve got to be trolling with the first point. At this stage many of us want to see it, hopefully next year he’ll give it a go. I think it’s gone beyond him needing to prove himself on that stage, although that’s a factor, but also for the first time Code S doesn’t have arguably the best player in the world competing in it, so the competition itself could do with Serral in it too. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 26 2019 07:34 Wombat_NI wrote: You’ve got to be trolling with the first point. At this stage many of us want to see it, hopefully next year he’ll give it a go. I think it’s gone beyond him needing to prove himself on that stage, although that’s a factor, but also for the first time Code S doesn’t have arguably the best player in the world competing in it, so the competition itself could do with Serral in it too. I don't need him to prove anything but if they use Code S against MAru I will use Code S against Serral. Maru plays Koreans more often than Serral thus Koreans know better how Maru plays and Maru has bigger chance of failing. (because they know him better) Put SErral out of WCS and force him into Korea and after few years we can talk. People keep forgetting that similar thing applies to WCS, that's why some people take Serral to closer series than they should because they're worse(especially when they face Koreans). | ||
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GrandSmurf
Netherlands462 Posts
On October 26 2019 03:07 Dedraterllaerau wrote: Am I allowed to state my opinion? yes? Patchzerg. yep. sums it up just right. and the map pool is bullshit. that too. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On October 26 2019 07:52 deacon.frost wrote: I don't need him to prove anything but if they use Code S against MAru I will use Code S against Serral. Maru plays Koreans more often than Serral thus Koreans know better how Maru plays and Maru has bigger chance of failing. (because they know him better) Put SErral out of WCS and force him into Korea and after few years we can talk. People keep forgetting that similar thing applies to WCS, that's why some people take Serral to closer series than they should because they're worse(especially when they face Koreans). This is very true though | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26779 Posts
On October 26 2019 07:52 deacon.frost wrote: I don't need him to prove anything but if they use Code S against MAru I will use Code S against Serral. Maru plays Koreans more often than Serral thus Koreans know better how Maru plays and Maru has bigger chance of failing. (because they know him better) Put SErral out of WCS and force him into Korea and after few years we can talk. People keep forgetting that similar thing applies to WCS, that's why some people take Serral to closer series than they should because they're worse(especially when they face Koreans). Serral only tends to play the cream of the Korean crop and still has monster numbers vs Korean opposition. The best if I recall. It’s possible that with more exposure and playing in Korea the Koreans could wrack their brains and figure him out more thoroughly, I don’t think he’s a player you can figure out though. He’s just incredibly good and can play the various Zerg styles well, not unlike an in-form Maru he just does everything well and you generally have to play like a monster to beat him. The flip side is his approach seems to work for him and he’s the only true S tier player we’ve had who wasn’t really shaped in the forge of the Korean scene. He may not prosper in that environment and underperform, on the other hand it’s not inconceivable he could step up another level again. Perceived wisdom is you have to constantly play against the best to keep you in shape to play against the best in meaningful tournaments. As of yet, however his practice and mindset work he just seems able to hit the requisite levels of play without needing to be in Korea for extended periods. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 07:29 deacon.frost wrote: Serral couldn't get into RO32 COde S. The more Koreans you play the more you lose. That's a fact. Serral not playiong them that often can keep higher profile while not having it that high his fanboys are trying to persuade people he has. And the guy who just wrote that ignores me because I supposedly am a troll. Yes, Serral would lose some more series against koreans playing in GSL. What makes you think he would not make Code S Ro32, actually? Do you see Dark and Maru even coming close to not qualifying? Try to be serious, at least once. | ||
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StarcraftSquall
United States196 Posts
And regardless of whose side you are on here there are two undeniable facts: everyone wants to see this match, and Maru is the only reason to date it has not happened. PS: I am a Protoss but I just want good SC2. I have no dog in the TvZ argument. | ||
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JJH777
United States4418 Posts
On October 26 2019 09:07 StarcraftSquall wrote: So the reason I bring up the GSL Ro32 is to show how inconsistent Maru has been this year. Yes, on his best day he is a monster. But on his worst day he loses inexplicably. We have yet to see him win or even advance far in a marathon style tournament. About the only thing we can rely on him for, apparently, so far, is disappointing us when a match with Serral is on the line. To be sure, Serral is not invincible: but he’s not someone who gets “bopped” inexplicably. The players who beat him played their best games and it took all they had. This is an element missing in Maru’s play. Since he can’t do us a solid, all we have is conjecture and facts and quite honestly: Serral has a resume that just simply reads better. In the Circuit it Korea. I mean he just 6-0d the strongest group of death we’ve ever seen. What’s he got left to prove? Maybe one of these times Maru will actually show up to the party when he is invited. And regardless of whose side you are on here there are two undeniable facts: everyone wants to see this match, and Maru is the only reason to date it has not happened. PS: I am a Protoss but I just want good SC2. I have no dog in the TvZ argument. Literally everyone who plays in GSL is inconsistent besides 2018 Maru and 2014(I think?) SoO. Everyone else in the history of code is is inconsistent when looking at a year of GSL. This is because Code S is just that hard. No one makes deep runs every time. Maru lost to Patience and Innovation. Serral could lose to those players. With the current state of balance and his form probably not but at the time Maru did? Absolutely. Protoss was doing very well at that point in PvZ and that wasn't all that long after Inno beat Serral twice. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26779 Posts
On October 26 2019 09:14 JJH777 wrote: Literally everyone who plays in GSL is inconsistent besides 2018 Maru and 2014(I think?) SoO. Everyone else in the history of code is is inconsistent when looking at a year of GSL. This is because Code S is just that hard. No one makes deep runs every time. Maru lost to Patience and Innovation. Serral could lose to those players. With the current state of balance and his form probably not but at the time Maru did? Absolutely. Protoss was doing very well at that point in PvZ and that wasn't all that long after Inno beat Serral twice. In Code S absolutely, it’s pretty damn cutthroat at that level if you have any kind of off day. It was an ultimately meaningless result really, but when’s the last time Serral lost to a Meomaika? This isn’t an anti-Maru point, more a plus point as to Serral’s consistency which is pretty insane. Serral can lose but it’s rare that he loses to such players, it’s to a Stats playing great, Reynor playing a great mirror etc. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
We can easily find so called inconsistency in Serrals performances this year. Losing to Heromarine and to Reynor twice in WCS Winter EU was a huge downer for his standards. He was lucky that he wasn't kicked out by those losses because of tournament format. Also I think it's true that Maru being exposed to tougher competition all the time makes him more vulnerable. Thus it's really tough to compare players from those different systems because we'll never know how they'd perform in other conditions. We only can stick with the actual results. Serral is ahead of Maru in that regard this year (but not ahead of Dark - his placements weigh heavier imo) just like I'm still convinced that Maru's overall results were better last year than Serral's but this was thoroughly discussed in other threads. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26779 Posts
On October 26 2019 09:33 StarscreamG1 wrote: I'm on the side of people who think Stats played really well vs Serral. He was solid, good macro and good composition. But Serral is a monster, and late game Zerg a bit too efficient. Game one he played pretty darn well with a terrible plan. It’s ok to mix it up and do something different but at absolute top tier PvZ I can’t honestly recall the last time going into airtoss and actively playing for the real lategame has worked. Classic similarly IMO played really, really well in one of his sets against Serral at GSL vs the World and still got dismantled because playing for that phase of the game is just not going to work against a player of Serral’s calibre. Actually watched Classic’s first person that set and he was super crisp mechanically and playing really well, but to a terrible plan. | ||
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col_jung
139 Posts
Fantastic effort by TIME. Like I keep saying...this kid's going places. He's also a super humble player which is nice. I felt like there was a bit of BM from Maru towards him after the first series. Stats....feelsbadman. I didn't feel like he brought his absolute ace game. Rooting for more P and T victors. If the Global Finals becomes another Z orgy towards the finals, I'm probably going to stop watching. I'm sick of ZvZ semis/finals and abusive nydus and BL/infestor stomp wins are just too frustrating to watch. Hoping for Maru (or Big Gabe) to take the tournament. | ||
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Paranoia_CN
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S1ngularity
Canada9 Posts
On October 26 2019 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote: In Code S absolutely, it’s pretty damn cutthroat at that level if you have any kind of off day. It was an ultimately meaningless result really, but when’s the last time Serral lost to a Meomaika? This isn’t an anti-Maru point, more a plus point as to Serral’s consistency which is pretty insane. Serral can lose but it’s rare that he loses to such players, it’s to a Stats playing great, Reynor playing a great mirror etc. I don't understand why people always bring up Meomaika like it means something. It was the group stage with only one real opponent being Special, Maru was guaranteed to advance regardless. I doubt he took it seriously. Serral also lost a map to Zhugeliang at ASUS ROG in a group that had Innovation and Lambo, much higher stakes, yet no one brings it up. Ever. | ||
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