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On October 26 2019 12:35 S1ngularity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 26 2019 09:14 JJH777 wrote:On October 26 2019 09:07 StarcraftSquall wrote:
So the reason I bring up the GSL Ro32 is to show how inconsistent Maru has been this year. Yes, on his best day he is a monster. But on his worst day he loses inexplicably. We have yet to see him win or even advance far in a marathon style tournament. About the only thing we can rely on him for, apparently, so far, is disappointing us when a match with Serral is on the line. To be sure, Serral is not invincible: but he’s not someone who gets “bopped” inexplicably. The players who beat him played their best games and it took all they had. This is an element missing in Maru’s play. Since he can’t do us a solid, all we have is conjecture and facts and quite honestly: Serral has a resume that just simply reads better. In the Circuit it Korea. I mean he just 6-0d the strongest group of death we’ve ever seen. What’s he got left to prove? Maybe one of these times Maru will actually show up to the party when he is invited.
And regardless of whose side you are on here there are two undeniable facts: everyone wants to see this match, and Maru is the only reason to date it has not happened.
PS: I am a Protoss but I just want good SC2. I have no dog in the TvZ argument. Literally everyone who plays in GSL is inconsistent besides 2018 Maru and 2014(I think?) SoO. Everyone else in the history of code is is inconsistent when looking at a year of GSL. This is because Code S is just that hard. No one makes deep runs every time. Maru lost to Patience and Innovation. Serral could lose to those players. With the current state of balance and his form probably not but at the time Maru did? Absolutely. Protoss was doing very well at that point in PvZ and that wasn't all that long after Inno beat Serral twice. In Code S absolutely, it’s pretty damn cutthroat at that level if you have any kind of off day. It was an ultimately meaningless result really, but when’s the last time Serral lost to a Meomaika? This isn’t an anti-Maru point, more a plus point as to Serral’s consistency which is pretty insane. Serral can lose but it’s rare that he loses to such players, it’s to a Stats playing great, Reynor playing a great mirror etc. Serral also lost a map to Zhugeliang at ASUS ROG in a group that had Innovation and Lambo, much higher stakes, yet no one brings it up. Ever.
I've heard it brought up many times by several casters as a joke for a few weeks after the incident. Zhu is a 6300 EU rated player, whereas Meomaika's so off-the-radar that his MMR is unknown. Maru losing 0-2 to Meomaika is a much, much bigger deal. Maru has also failed to make it out of group stage in more than one occasion (IEM XIII, where he couldn't even beat Neeb to get out of group stage). Maru is top3 world, but just isn't a Serral, and it's okay. Just get over it already.
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On October 26 2019 20:40 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 12:35 S1ngularity wrote:On October 26 2019 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 26 2019 09:14 JJH777 wrote:On October 26 2019 09:07 StarcraftSquall wrote:
So the reason I bring up the GSL Ro32 is to show how inconsistent Maru has been this year. Yes, on his best day he is a monster. But on his worst day he loses inexplicably. We have yet to see him win or even advance far in a marathon style tournament. About the only thing we can rely on him for, apparently, so far, is disappointing us when a match with Serral is on the line. To be sure, Serral is not invincible: but he’s not someone who gets “bopped” inexplicably. The players who beat him played their best games and it took all they had. This is an element missing in Maru’s play. Since he can’t do us a solid, all we have is conjecture and facts and quite honestly: Serral has a resume that just simply reads better. In the Circuit it Korea. I mean he just 6-0d the strongest group of death we’ve ever seen. What’s he got left to prove? Maybe one of these times Maru will actually show up to the party when he is invited.
And regardless of whose side you are on here there are two undeniable facts: everyone wants to see this match, and Maru is the only reason to date it has not happened.
PS: I am a Protoss but I just want good SC2. I have no dog in the TvZ argument. Literally everyone who plays in GSL is inconsistent besides 2018 Maru and 2014(I think?) SoO. Everyone else in the history of code is is inconsistent when looking at a year of GSL. This is because Code S is just that hard. No one makes deep runs every time. Maru lost to Patience and Innovation. Serral could lose to those players. With the current state of balance and his form probably not but at the time Maru did? Absolutely. Protoss was doing very well at that point in PvZ and that wasn't all that long after Inno beat Serral twice. In Code S absolutely, it’s pretty damn cutthroat at that level if you have any kind of off day. It was an ultimately meaningless result really, but when’s the last time Serral lost to a Meomaika? This isn’t an anti-Maru point, more a plus point as to Serral’s consistency which is pretty insane. Serral can lose but it’s rare that he loses to such players, it’s to a Stats playing great, Reynor playing a great mirror etc. Serral also lost a map to Zhugeliang at ASUS ROG in a group that had Innovation and Lambo, much higher stakes, yet no one brings it up. Ever. I've heard it brought up many times by several casters as a joke for a few weeks after the incident. Zhu is a 6300 EU rated player, whereas Meomaika's so off-the-radar that his MMR is unknown. Maru losing 0-2 to Meomaika is a much, much bigger deal. Maru has also failed to make it out of group stage in more than one occasion (IEM XIII, where he couldn't even beat Neeb to get out of group stage). Maru is top3 world, but just isn't a Serral, and it's okay. Just get over it already.
MeomaikA has a decent rating on Korean server as far as I know, but that's not the point.
Dropping a map while winning the series is very different from losing the series, as simple as that.
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France12966 Posts
On October 26 2019 20:40 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 12:35 S1ngularity wrote:On October 26 2019 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 26 2019 09:14 JJH777 wrote:On October 26 2019 09:07 StarcraftSquall wrote:
So the reason I bring up the GSL Ro32 is to show how inconsistent Maru has been this year. Yes, on his best day he is a monster. But on his worst day he loses inexplicably. We have yet to see him win or even advance far in a marathon style tournament. About the only thing we can rely on him for, apparently, so far, is disappointing us when a match with Serral is on the line. To be sure, Serral is not invincible: but he’s not someone who gets “bopped” inexplicably. The players who beat him played their best games and it took all they had. This is an element missing in Maru’s play. Since he can’t do us a solid, all we have is conjecture and facts and quite honestly: Serral has a resume that just simply reads better. In the Circuit it Korea. I mean he just 6-0d the strongest group of death we’ve ever seen. What’s he got left to prove? Maybe one of these times Maru will actually show up to the party when he is invited.
And regardless of whose side you are on here there are two undeniable facts: everyone wants to see this match, and Maru is the only reason to date it has not happened.
PS: I am a Protoss but I just want good SC2. I have no dog in the TvZ argument. Literally everyone who plays in GSL is inconsistent besides 2018 Maru and 2014(I think?) SoO. Everyone else in the history of code is is inconsistent when looking at a year of GSL. This is because Code S is just that hard. No one makes deep runs every time. Maru lost to Patience and Innovation. Serral could lose to those players. With the current state of balance and his form probably not but at the time Maru did? Absolutely. Protoss was doing very well at that point in PvZ and that wasn't all that long after Inno beat Serral twice. In Code S absolutely, it’s pretty damn cutthroat at that level if you have any kind of off day. It was an ultimately meaningless result really, but when’s the last time Serral lost to a Meomaika? This isn’t an anti-Maru point, more a plus point as to Serral’s consistency which is pretty insane. Serral can lose but it’s rare that he loses to such players, it’s to a Stats playing great, Reynor playing a great mirror etc. Serral also lost a map to Zhugeliang at ASUS ROG in a group that had Innovation and Lambo, much higher stakes, yet no one brings it up. Ever. I've heard it brought up many times by several casters as a joke for a few weeks after the incident. Zhu is a 6300 EU rated player, whereas Meomaika's so off-the-radar that his MMR is unknown. Maru losing 0-2 to Meomaika is a much, much bigger deal. Maru has also failed to make it out of group stage in more than one occasion (IEM XIII, where he couldn't even beat Neeb to get out of group stage). Maru is top3 world, but just isn't a Serral, and it's okay. Just get over it already.
Terrans results were horrendous this tournament so that should be taken into account.
I don’t see Serral capable of being the « Zerg hope » like Maru is the Terran hope time and time again.
I don’t hear often « just play like Serral » because it’s not needed.
It’s okay 
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On October 26 2019 20:51 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 20:40 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 26 2019 12:35 S1ngularity wrote:On October 26 2019 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 26 2019 09:14 JJH777 wrote:On October 26 2019 09:07 StarcraftSquall wrote:
So the reason I bring up the GSL Ro32 is to show how inconsistent Maru has been this year. Yes, on his best day he is a monster. But on his worst day he loses inexplicably. We have yet to see him win or even advance far in a marathon style tournament. About the only thing we can rely on him for, apparently, so far, is disappointing us when a match with Serral is on the line. To be sure, Serral is not invincible: but he’s not someone who gets “bopped” inexplicably. The players who beat him played their best games and it took all they had. This is an element missing in Maru’s play. Since he can’t do us a solid, all we have is conjecture and facts and quite honestly: Serral has a resume that just simply reads better. In the Circuit it Korea. I mean he just 6-0d the strongest group of death we’ve ever seen. What’s he got left to prove? Maybe one of these times Maru will actually show up to the party when he is invited.
And regardless of whose side you are on here there are two undeniable facts: everyone wants to see this match, and Maru is the only reason to date it has not happened.
PS: I am a Protoss but I just want good SC2. I have no dog in the TvZ argument. Literally everyone who plays in GSL is inconsistent besides 2018 Maru and 2014(I think?) SoO. Everyone else in the history of code is is inconsistent when looking at a year of GSL. This is because Code S is just that hard. No one makes deep runs every time. Maru lost to Patience and Innovation. Serral could lose to those players. With the current state of balance and his form probably not but at the time Maru did? Absolutely. Protoss was doing very well at that point in PvZ and that wasn't all that long after Inno beat Serral twice. In Code S absolutely, it’s pretty damn cutthroat at that level if you have any kind of off day. It was an ultimately meaningless result really, but when’s the last time Serral lost to a Meomaika? This isn’t an anti-Maru point, more a plus point as to Serral’s consistency which is pretty insane. Serral can lose but it’s rare that he loses to such players, it’s to a Stats playing great, Reynor playing a great mirror etc. Serral also lost a map to Zhugeliang at ASUS ROG in a group that had Innovation and Lambo, much higher stakes, yet no one brings it up. Ever. I've heard it brought up many times by several casters as a joke for a few weeks after the incident. Zhu is a 6300 EU rated player, whereas Meomaika's so off-the-radar that his MMR is unknown. Maru losing 0-2 to Meomaika is a much, much bigger deal. Maru has also failed to make it out of group stage in more than one occasion (IEM XIII, where he couldn't even beat Neeb to get out of group stage). Maru is top3 world, but just isn't a Serral, and it's okay. Just get over it already. MeomaikA has a decent rating on Korean server as far as I know, but that's not the point. Dropping a map while winning the series is very different from losing the series, as simple as that.
I think Serral felt bad for crushing Zhugeliang 4-1 while off-racing as Terran, and decided to give him one as compensation. lol kidding
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On October 26 2019 21:01 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 20:40 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 26 2019 12:35 S1ngularity wrote:On October 26 2019 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 26 2019 09:14 JJH777 wrote:On October 26 2019 09:07 StarcraftSquall wrote:
So the reason I bring up the GSL Ro32 is to show how inconsistent Maru has been this year. Yes, on his best day he is a monster. But on his worst day he loses inexplicably. We have yet to see him win or even advance far in a marathon style tournament. About the only thing we can rely on him for, apparently, so far, is disappointing us when a match with Serral is on the line. To be sure, Serral is not invincible: but he’s not someone who gets “bopped” inexplicably. The players who beat him played their best games and it took all they had. This is an element missing in Maru’s play. Since he can’t do us a solid, all we have is conjecture and facts and quite honestly: Serral has a resume that just simply reads better. In the Circuit it Korea. I mean he just 6-0d the strongest group of death we’ve ever seen. What’s he got left to prove? Maybe one of these times Maru will actually show up to the party when he is invited.
And regardless of whose side you are on here there are two undeniable facts: everyone wants to see this match, and Maru is the only reason to date it has not happened.
PS: I am a Protoss but I just want good SC2. I have no dog in the TvZ argument. Literally everyone who plays in GSL is inconsistent besides 2018 Maru and 2014(I think?) SoO. Everyone else in the history of code is is inconsistent when looking at a year of GSL. This is because Code S is just that hard. No one makes deep runs every time. Maru lost to Patience and Innovation. Serral could lose to those players. With the current state of balance and his form probably not but at the time Maru did? Absolutely. Protoss was doing very well at that point in PvZ and that wasn't all that long after Inno beat Serral twice. In Code S absolutely, it’s pretty damn cutthroat at that level if you have any kind of off day. It was an ultimately meaningless result really, but when’s the last time Serral lost to a Meomaika? This isn’t an anti-Maru point, more a plus point as to Serral’s consistency which is pretty insane. Serral can lose but it’s rare that he loses to such players, it’s to a Stats playing great, Reynor playing a great mirror etc. Serral also lost a map to Zhugeliang at ASUS ROG in a group that had Innovation and Lambo, much higher stakes, yet no one brings it up. Ever. I've heard it brought up many times by several casters as a joke for a few weeks after the incident. Zhu is a 6300 EU rated player, whereas Meomaika's so off-the-radar that his MMR is unknown. Maru losing 0-2 to Meomaika is a much, much bigger deal. Maru has also failed to make it out of group stage in more than one occasion (IEM XIII, where he couldn't even beat Neeb to get out of group stage). Maru is top3 world, but just isn't a Serral, and it's okay. Just get over it already. Terrans results were horrendous this tournament so that should be taken into account.
I can't count on two hands the number of super lame excuses fanboys have given Maru in this thread alone. It's endless.
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Northern Ireland27056 Posts
On October 26 2019 21:06 tigon_ridge wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2019 21:01 Poopi wrote:On October 26 2019 20:40 tigon_ridge wrote:On October 26 2019 12:35 S1ngularity wrote:On October 26 2019 09:25 Wombat_NI wrote:On October 26 2019 09:14 JJH777 wrote:On October 26 2019 09:07 StarcraftSquall wrote:
So the reason I bring up the GSL Ro32 is to show how inconsistent Maru has been this year. Yes, on his best day he is a monster. But on his worst day he loses inexplicably. We have yet to see him win or even advance far in a marathon style tournament. About the only thing we can rely on him for, apparently, so far, is disappointing us when a match with Serral is on the line. To be sure, Serral is not invincible: but he’s not someone who gets “bopped” inexplicably. The players who beat him played their best games and it took all they had. This is an element missing in Maru’s play. Since he can’t do us a solid, all we have is conjecture and facts and quite honestly: Serral has a resume that just simply reads better. In the Circuit it Korea. I mean he just 6-0d the strongest group of death we’ve ever seen. What’s he got left to prove? Maybe one of these times Maru will actually show up to the party when he is invited.
And regardless of whose side you are on here there are two undeniable facts: everyone wants to see this match, and Maru is the only reason to date it has not happened.
PS: I am a Protoss but I just want good SC2. I have no dog in the TvZ argument. Literally everyone who plays in GSL is inconsistent besides 2018 Maru and 2014(I think?) SoO. Everyone else in the history of code is is inconsistent when looking at a year of GSL. This is because Code S is just that hard. No one makes deep runs every time. Maru lost to Patience and Innovation. Serral could lose to those players. With the current state of balance and his form probably not but at the time Maru did? Absolutely. Protoss was doing very well at that point in PvZ and that wasn't all that long after Inno beat Serral twice. In Code S absolutely, it’s pretty damn cutthroat at that level if you have any kind of off day. It was an ultimately meaningless result really, but when’s the last time Serral lost to a Meomaika? This isn’t an anti-Maru point, more a plus point as to Serral’s consistency which is pretty insane. Serral can lose but it’s rare that he loses to such players, it’s to a Stats playing great, Reynor playing a great mirror etc. Serral also lost a map to Zhugeliang at ASUS ROG in a group that had Innovation and Lambo, much higher stakes, yet no one brings it up. Ever. I've heard it brought up many times by several casters as a joke for a few weeks after the incident. Zhu is a 6300 EU rated player, whereas Meomaika's so off-the-radar that his MMR is unknown. Maru losing 0-2 to Meomaika is a much, much bigger deal. Maru has also failed to make it out of group stage in more than one occasion (IEM XIII, where he couldn't even beat Neeb to get out of group stage). Maru is top3 world, but just isn't a Serral, and it's okay. Just get over it already. Terrans results were horrendous this tournament so that should be taken into account. I can't count on two hands the number of super lame excuses fanboys have given Maru in this thread alone. It's endless.
Not sure why the thread went the way it did, The Meomaika loss was ultimately meaningless indeed, was more to illustrate that Maru while capable of hitting insane heights does drop the odd clanger; whereas Serral almost always beats the players he should be beating.
Maru adapted well to TIME’s well-prepared TvT in time for the rematch, and beat Stats down pretty hard so it does look like he’s bringing a strong Maru to this tournament which bodes well for the neutral.
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If Maru and Serral meet at any point in the tournament, I think Maru will have a 52% chance of winning. (EDIT: I'm being generous to Maru here, as I think it's roughly 50/50) I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Serral's is disadvantaged by the fact that he lacks tippy-top players to practice against, which recently he's even admitted. His godlike performance would be even godlier if he trains with players like Stats, Inno, TY and Maru on a somewhat regular basis. Of course, that would also mean those players would improve their vZ significantly, and end up smashing Dark and Rogue, especially after the next balance patch.
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