EPTSerral, Maru advance to Global Finals Ro8 - Page 3
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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Dedraterllaerau
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Patchzerg. User was warned for this post | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
I think INno has the best tvz ever, then I would say TaeJa, then probably MVP then Maru. Maru success almost always came at time when zerg was weaker, and he never won a tournament over a zerg as far as I can remember. Hi tvz is much better in LOTV but in HOTS it was quite weak. Wait, wait, wait... I remember Maru being really good at TvZ in HotS, at least at his peak. Early 2015, he gets second at IEM, going through Soulkey and losing to Life in the last game basically by a dumb mistake (but otherwise really going toe to toe with him--these two were very evenly matched at that time). Followed by his SSL title, taking down Dark and Leenock on the way. Like... I'm prepared to admit that overall Innovation almost definitely took the title of best TvZ in HotS, but calling Maru "quite weak" in TvZ in HotS seems like a stretch to me. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27360 Posts
Similarly Maru’s vP peak is similarly streets ahead of the pack. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 03:07 Dedraterllaerau wrote: Am I allowed to state my opinion? yes? Patchzerg. You are in fact allowed to embarass yourself with a pointless, ignorant opinion. Certain things aren't true even if your opinion would make you think the opposite: Serral simply is not a patchzerg. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On October 26 2019 03:15 neutralrobot wrote: Wait, wait, wait... I remember Maru being really good at TvZ in HotS, at least at his peak. Early 2015, he gets second at IEM, going through Soulkey and losing to Life in the last game basically by a dumb mistake (but otherwise really going toe to toe with him--these two were very evenly matched at that time). Followed by his SSL title, taking down Dark and Leenock on the way. Like... I'm prepared to admit that overall Innovation almost definitely took the title of best TvZ in HotS, but calling Maru "quite weak" in TvZ in HotS seems like a stretch to me. Ya "quite weak" was an overstatement, but I remember him being regularly stopped by zerg in HOTS. I don't have the best memory mind you but at least in 2013 and 2015 his tvz felt weaker than his other matchup, especially in 2013 + he never quite got into the 2015 mech train. | ||
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Anc13nt
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Dedraterllaerau
113 Posts
On October 26 2019 03:22 Xain0n wrote: You are in fact allowed to embarass yourself with a pointless, ignorant opinion. Certain things aren't true even if your opinion would make you think the opposite: Serral simply is not a patchzerg. such hostility :D | ||
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Noa Greenini
265 Posts
To be fair your opinion is pretty hostile, but personally I wouldn't answer hostility with hostility ;-) | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
Innovation said: Just give up. Blizz love Serral. Time: ..... | ||
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UnLarva
458 Posts
On October 26 2019 03:22 Xain0n wrote: You are in fact allowed to embarass yourself with a pointless, ignorant opinion. Certain things aren't true even if your opinion would make you think the opposite: Serral simply is not a patchzerg. If anything he is one of best counter-examples of Patch[insert race here], if not the best, by conventional definition of Patch[insert race here]. Or if looked from different angle, if Serral is PatchZerg, then Maru is PatchTerran, as of best co-examples. Strict definition: Patch[insert race here] is a player who can temporarily get advantage over the field after a new patch, by abusing a new meta better than his peers of same race, performing above his longer term level until the next patch, when he/she loses that advantage. (or something similar along these lines) Lax definition: Otherwise same as above but may include more than one consecutive patches. Either Serral or Maru (or anybody else long term top player) cannot be considered Patch[insert race here] because their performance level has been more or less consistently very high over long time period and several consecutive patches to the game. Its getting rather tiresome to argue against totally wrong use of term Patch[insert race here], attached to players whom it fit least. And if its used as a kind of spamming or trolling, then its just utterly stupid. | ||
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Z3nith
485 Posts
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Noa Greenini
265 Posts
On October 26 2019 04:29 Z3nith wrote: Serral is an absolute monster and if he wins he may even be the goat. But I can't help but feel that next year will be the year Serral falls. He has to, doesn't he? I think Serral will have temporary fall before falling of the highest tier. He may fall of next year but will probably be back big after awhile before the next generation comes | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Since late 2017 however he's been the best in the world by a fucking mile. He barely even loses any TvZs at all since then. Another thing to note as well is that he isn't restricted to any style like INno often was. He can play with almost any comp and strategy. | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On October 26 2019 01:47 BerserkSword wrote: Innovation is no doubt best TvZ player of all time imo. not even close Innovation >>> Maru overall for me too lol Maru rode the back of raven and proxy meta.... Its close but the last statement there is very ridiculous. The raven was patched after 1 code s season. He created the proxy meta in tvp because there was no other solution. 4 code S in a row says enough. Inno is an absolute beast but ask any zerg pro who they would pick as a T player to veto in a tournament I would guess its extremely skewed to Maru. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27360 Posts
On October 26 2019 04:55 DomeGetta wrote: Its close but the last statement there is very ridiculous. The raven was patched after 1 code s season. He created the proxy meta in tvp because there was no other solution. 4 code S in a row says enough. Inno is an absolute beast but ask any zerg pro who they would pick as a T player to veto in a tournament I would guess its extremely skewed to Maru. Well obviously now they would, Inno’s having one of his years where the hardware is glitching and he needs sent back to the factory. Been a weird and disappointing year for Korean Terrans really. Took TY way too long to get going but he looked in good shape last few months, Inno never really did outside of WESG. Balance can come and it can go, irrespective of balance it really only feels like Maru and the Blizzcon WCS Terrans played consistently at their levels. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16089 Posts
It looks good for Maru | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On October 26 2019 05:08 Charoisaur wrote: the last 2 korean Blizzcon winners have lost their initial match to a foreigner. It looks good for Maru The last time Serral won his groupstage at BlizzCon without dropping maps, he won the title. It looks good for him! | ||
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Noa Greenini
265 Posts
On October 26 2019 05:08 Charoisaur wrote: the last 2 korean Blizzcon winners have lost their initial match to a foreigner. It looks good for Maru lmao | ||
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Rubicant1
115 Posts
On October 26 2019 03:07 Dedraterllaerau wrote: Am I allowed to state my opinion? yes? Patchzerg. You are more than welcome to wear your ignorance like a badge, yes  | ||
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