Feb 12 Community Update (Blink cost rollback) - Page 4

On February 13 2019 17:42 xongnox wrote:



Meanwhile in foreign land, they are 2 terrans in the top 16 players of WCS Europe.

The tournament stats you brought up are incredibly low sample size

On February 13 2019 18:20 Comedy wrote:


People always use this as an argument. It doesn't hold water. You can't magically make skilled terran users appear in a region when they just don't exist. Europe has never really had strong terran players and a lot of the ones we did have quit early on. Thorzain, lucifron, happy, etc.

For whatever reason, there's a lot more highly skilled zerg players in the EU region and a few protoss. Maybe it's because of idra's or stephano's early popularity that made people choose the race, or it's just purely random. But you can't change balance around which race has the highest ammount of skill concentration in a region.

I'm not talking about lower levels of play I'm talking about the ladder stats of PRO players. Uthermal, Heromarine, Demuslim are all sitting at 40-50% in TvP while Neeb, Harstem, Showtime etc have 80+% in the matchup. you can look it up yourself. Watching their streams I see those terrans get destroyed by 6k Protoss if they try to play macro which never happens against a Z/T.

On February 13 2019 22:21 narbsncharbs wrote:
Ok so in broodwar, Terran could not go bio vs protoss unless it was a 2 base all in timing push because of things like storm/reavers.

In sc2, we see people still trying to go bio even though in sc2 there are more hardcounters. Colossus, storm, disruptors...

I don't think bio is the way to go vs protoss considering the deck is stacked worse vs bio than it was in BW.

So that leads us to mech.

We can never trade armies late game vs toss(or even zerg for that matter) with mech because of how fast they can re-max after a late game trade and because of how slow terran's mech core unit builds(siege tank) . Lowering the build time for siege tanks is the first step in the right direction so that terrans can at least begin to start trading armies late game.

On February 13 2019 22:37 MockHamill wrote:


This so much. Trying to make bio the go-to strategy instead of mech was a huge mistake. Especially since the amount of splash Protoss have is absolutely insane.

Lowering the build time of tanks would solve both the problem of not being able to take a 3rd on time, and being able to trade armies in the late game.

On February 13 2019 23:37 TrashEconomy wrote:
Something really needs to be clarified here:

Let's agree that Terran fares well enough in tournaments: this isn't enough to declare that the matchup is fine. All of the wins come on the back of allins, which is horrible design. The game exists for ladder players, and TvP is totally unfun as a Terran player. Being FORCED to blindly go all-in to have an even chance at winning at similar skill levels is repetitive and uninteresting. And on the esports side, watching the same all-ins over and over and over is boring, to the point that I rarely watch SC2 anymore. How many times do I need to see Innovation bunker-push a Protoss' natural?

This is constantly happening, where both sides talk over each other.

"TvP is broken because you have to all-in to have a fair chance"

"TvP is fine because the winrates in premier tournaments are even".

That's just not enough for the vast majority of us. An RTS that can be functionally replaced by a coin flip at the beginning of every game isn't a good RTS.

On February 13 2019 17:42 curutcis wrote:



I want to see scv pulls and 2 base all ins or proxyes or nyduses cause they make the game FUN to watch. From a spectator point of view i want an exciting game. I want to be thrilled and say wow, player A is doing a crazy thing. Can player B see it coming? Omg he just missed the proxy with the scout or the nydus timing with the scan or whatever.

On February 14 2019 01:06 narbsncharbs wrote:


If you don't mind, Can you elaborate a little bit more in regards to the last line there, be specific.