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Blizzard post from StarCraft II Balance Team
Hey everyone, In our last update, we reduced the Stalkers’ Blink upgrade research cost to try and help improve PvZ and PvP matchups. After reading all your recent feedback around the change, including discussions around its impact on TvP matchups, we’ve determined the Blink upgrade cost reduction isn’t necessary at this time, and we’ve decided to revert this change for now. We appreciate all of your feedback and thoughtful discussion around this issue. Stalker
- Blink research cost reverted from 100/100 to 150/150
Our current plan is to release this balance update before IEM Katowice on February 21. As always, thank you so much for your feedback, and we encourage you to keep letting us know what you think!
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thanks but its not enough. protoss is on an absolute murder spree vs terran and zerg blows in general. i expected more than one tiny rollback. disappointed.
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thank the lord, I was having panic attacks back to the WoL days.
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I say give it some time, Terrans rely moreso than the other races on the Korean meta, which we haven't seen that much of yet.
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Canada8988 Posts
On February 13 2019 06:58 freelifeffs wrote:
thanks but its not enough. protoss is on an absolute murder spree vs terran and zerg blows in general. i expected more than one tiny rollback. disappointed.
Are they tho?
Protoss is probably a bit stronger but we have yet to see any overperforming toss in GSL, and in WCS results were mostly expected. You could say Rail above Bly and DNS over Soul were small upset but apart from them we only really had Nerchio losing to protoss rest of the matches went pretty much like you should expect.
No need for major change yet let's wait a bit.
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Giving them blink for cheap was fine, but they needed to compensate the other races. For terran, they could have shortened the build time for siege tanks which would also solve the problem mech has with never being able to trade a single army late game vs protoss/zerg. I haven't watched much PvZ so I will refrain from commenting on what I think zerg needs.
Blizzard balance team's decisions end up restricting races more than improving them. They need to rethink their approach entirely. Players want more build order options, not less. Stop making decisions that take away options or stop making decisions that create less options. Their current approach is why the game is so linear/stagnant/flavorless. Stop making this game worse blizzard, ffs.
Nerfing units/upgrades is NOT the best option in most cases. Stop doing it. Instead of nerfing, buff something on the other sides that way everyone has fun toys to play with.
The main reason mech isn't viable is because of terran's inability to remax as fast as protoss/zerg late game when trading armies. Zerg can instamax, protoss can near insta-max. Terran cannot come close at all with mech solely because of siege tank build time. Siege tanks play a huge role in the mech army. If we can't build them fast enough, how can mech compete with zerg/protoss late game if we can't even trade armies? Shorten the build time for siege tanks so we can trade armies effectively.
THINK ABOUT IT BLIZZARD. COMMON SENSE.
Basically with this revert, blizzard accomplished next to nothing when it comes to managing balance over the last 2 months. Who is overseeing the balance department? The balance department is not operating effectively at all and are frustrating the playerbase which can cause negative effects when it comes to customer loyalty and PR. Does blizzard not understand how balance decisions actually have an effect on their bottom line? It's things like this that make gamers want to speak bad about the company and i'm not surprised that investors have begun to notice this. Then they sell, stock plummets. In a nutshell, Blizzard is creating their own problems.
For a company that has been balancing their own game for the last decade, I would think they would have a very good understanding of how decisions can affect balance. Apparently this isn't the case. I can only hope the balance team is on the chopping block for getting laid off.
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On February 13 2019 06:58 freelifeffs wrote:
thanks but its not enough. protoss is on an absolute murder spree vs terran and zerg blows in general. i expected more than one tiny rollback. disappointed.
What kind of murder spree? PvT is 30-31 in maps across WCS and GSL and 11-13 in series. Tournament results are nothing out of the ordinary right now.
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On February 13 2019 07:31 Zetter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 06:58 freelifeffs wrote:
thanks but its not enough. protoss is on an absolute murder spree vs terran and zerg blows in general. i expected more than one tiny rollback. disappointed. What kind of murder spree? PvT is 30-31 in maps across WCS and GSL and 11-13 in series. Tournament results are nothing out of the ordinary right now.
Stats was sick during his matches recently and instead of blanket-storming an entire army he thought it would be wiser to feedback a raven instead. Low and behold, that isn't terran winning the game, that's protoss losing it. I'm sure there are other recent games that you are including here that should have gone in favor of protoss if not due to bad decision making. I'll do some research. Right now as it stands P > T by a large margin, even when both races play 100% perfect.
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On February 13 2019 07:35 narbsncharbs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 07:31 Zetter wrote:On February 13 2019 06:58 freelifeffs wrote:
thanks but its not enough. protoss is on an absolute murder spree vs terran and zerg blows in general. i expected more than one tiny rollback. disappointed. What kind of murder spree? PvT is 30-31 in maps across WCS and GSL and 11-13 in series. Tournament results are nothing out of the ordinary right now. Stats was sick during his matches recently and instead of blanket-storming an entire army he thought it would be wiser to feedback a raven instead. Low and behold, that isn't terran winning the game, that's protoss losing it. I'm sure there are other recent games that you are including here that should have gone in favor of protoss if not due to bad decision making. Right now as it stands P > T by a large margin, even when both races play 100% perfect.
What kind of data can you bring forward to support your claim?
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I was really hoping for the revert on thor range, I really struggle against mech armies unless I kill T early as Z. Glad about the blink though, every PvP was darn stalker opener and my oracles were getting supper shrekt and the timing was hard to survive.
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On February 13 2019 07:37 Zetter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 07:35 narbsncharbs wrote:On February 13 2019 07:31 Zetter wrote:On February 13 2019 06:58 freelifeffs wrote:
thanks but its not enough. protoss is on an absolute murder spree vs terran and zerg blows in general. i expected more than one tiny rollback. disappointed. What kind of murder spree? PvT is 30-31 in maps across WCS and GSL and 11-13 in series. Tournament results are nothing out of the ordinary right now. Stats was sick during his matches recently and instead of blanket-storming an entire army he thought it would be wiser to feedback a raven instead. Low and behold, that isn't terran winning the game, that's protoss losing it. I'm sure there are other recent games that you are including here that should have gone in favor of protoss if not due to bad decision making. Right now as it stands P > T by a large margin, even when both races play 100% perfect. What kind of data can you bring forward to support your claim?
Oh and the other game he lost vs terran, he chose the worst build, even the casters wanted to play against stats with him using that build. This takes a match away from terran and gives it to protoss, now edit those numbers  .
I'll do more research and report back.
I need to find the demu vod of him showing the ladder stats, it's quite ridiculous. That will definitely count for something. A little hint-protoss vs terran is every tosses best match, BY A LARGE MARGIN.....even the protosses who's worst matchup was historically vs terran, it is now their best. food for thought.
In terms of stats, casters & demuslim were talking about him being sick. It's in the vods, you can verify them.
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I think it's time to bring the old Cyclone back. With cheaper robo and faster warpgate research Protoss now has the tools to deal with proxy stuff more easily and the Cyclone was the unit which allowed terran to keep Protoss economy somewhat in check in the early game. Now every Protoss can just go blind 3 nexus without scouting.
Also what I'd like to see: revert the thor buff and buff the viking instead. Thor is way to clunky and it's difficult to transition to them as a bio player.
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Canada8988 Posts
On February 13 2019 07:43 narbsncharbs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 07:37 Zetter wrote:On February 13 2019 07:35 narbsncharbs wrote:On February 13 2019 07:31 Zetter wrote:On February 13 2019 06:58 freelifeffs wrote:
thanks but its not enough. protoss is on an absolute murder spree vs terran and zerg blows in general. i expected more than one tiny rollback. disappointed. What kind of murder spree? PvT is 30-31 in maps across WCS and GSL and 11-13 in series. Tournament results are nothing out of the ordinary right now. Stats was sick during his matches recently and instead of blanket-storming an entire army he thought it would be wiser to feedback a raven instead. Low and behold, that isn't terran winning the game, that's protoss losing it. I'm sure there are other recent games that you are including here that should have gone in favor of protoss if not due to bad decision making. Right now as it stands P > T by a large margin, even when both races play 100% perfect. What kind of data can you bring forward to support your claim? Oh and the other game he lost vs terran, he chose the worst build, even the casters wanted to play against stats with him using that build. This takes a match away from terran and gives it to protoss, now edit those numbers . I'll do more research and report back. I need to find the demu vod of him showing the ladder stats, it's quite ridiculous. That will definitely count for something. A little hint-protoss vs terran is every tosses best match, BY A LARGE MARGIN.....even the protosses who's worst matchup was historically vs terran, it is now their best. food for thought. In terms of stats, casters & demuslim were talking about him being sick. It's in the vods, you can verify them.
I mean did you watch Heromarie build in WCS? That combat shield push was one of the stupidest thing I ever saw gotta take those away if we start doing that.
Anyhow I'm open to see the number
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This the problem with the current balance team. We have not had enough time to decide whether or not TvP is terran favored or protoss favored. It definitely is protoss favored on the ladder, but what about in GSL? We've only had a few groups... why are they creating a balance change after just a few groups? Stop changing the game, and let the pros figure everything out.
This isn't Dota or league of legends. This is starcraft.
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On February 13 2019 07:35 narbsncharbs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2019 07:31 Zetter wrote:On February 13 2019 06:58 freelifeffs wrote:
thanks but its not enough. protoss is on an absolute murder spree vs terran and zerg blows in general. i expected more than one tiny rollback. disappointed. What kind of murder spree? PvT is 30-31 in maps across WCS and GSL and 11-13 in series. Tournament results are nothing out of the ordinary right now. Stats was sick during his matches recently and instead of blanket-storming an entire army he thought it would be wiser to feedback a raven instead. Low and behold, that isn't terran winning the game, that's protoss losing it. I'm sure there are other recent games that you are including here that should have gone in favor of protoss if not due to bad decision making. I'll do some research. Right now as it stands P > T by a large margin, even when both races play 100% perfect.
What a bunch of lies! I don't know where you get that Stats was sick during his GSL matches, but if you talk about 2nd game vs Cure - there were no storm for Stats. He rushed templar archives specifically for one HT to get feedback on the raven. In 3rd game he couldn't land storm on bio because Cure send his raven forward to disable HTs.
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I received a warning for talking about balance related discussion pertaining to a specific balance related update IN THAT ACTUAL THREAD. What the fuck is wrong with the mod team? You are all retarded.
User was warned for this post.
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I'm glad they reverted it but the balance team needs to chill with the constant updates and redesigns for real.
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Wont have to sweat bullets fearing the return of Blink Stalker allins in PvT 
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It's a very confusing time from Blizzard right now. If they felt these changes were absolutely necessary for Protoss to be viable and good, then they should stick by that and raise the other races up to match the powerlevel introduced instead of reverting these things. however, many many people were vocal that the previous patch was a mistake (myself included) so I'm glad to see some walkback on it. I don't personally mind Protoss being strong. I just want the other races to be raised up to their level of power.
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Canada8988 Posts
On February 13 2019 07:56 Rodya wrote:
This the problem with the current balance team. We have not had enough time to decide whether or not TvP is terran favored or protoss favored. It definitely is protoss favored on the ladder, but what about in GSL? We've only had a few groups... why are they creating a balance change after just a few groups? Stop changing the game, and let the pros figure everything out.
This isn't Dota or league of legends. This is starcraft.
Well it's a small enough change, I think it's fair to do it. It's not like they reverted back the entire patch.
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