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Update 2:
TRUE chose GSL, but if he leaves Korea after the Ro32 he can still play in the open bracket of WCS Austin.
Blizzard will also be reviewing region-lock for 2019:
"We are aware that, especially in 2018, there have been some unintended consequences stemming from WCS residency rules, and we will be reviewing them to see what will work best for 2019."
Source: https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/21676853/TRUE-Chooses-GSL-over-Challenger-/
Update 1:
Wax shut down the other thread for getting off topic, and suggested that a new one be created for this topic.
This is the tweet that started it:
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United States33175 Posts
Per PSISTORM management, it appears to be a problem with the "qualifying foreign resident" section of the WCS rulebook.
For reference, from the WCS 2018 Rulebook, section 4.6(c), regarding WCS Circuit eligibility.
For the purposes of the WCS, a “qualifying foreign resident” is a participant who has provided Blizzard with proof that he or she has resided in a Circuit Country for at least one month prior to the first match of the event in which the participant wishes to participate, and who has provided Blizzard with a copy of his or her passport and a copy of his or her valid resident visa for that country that does not expire until after the conclusion of that event. A “qualifying foreign resident” may travel for non-competitive reasons outside of his or her country of residence only for a maximum of five weeks during the WCS Period, and must obtain Blizzard’s approval in advance before traveling outside of his or her country of residence during the WCS Period unless the travel is for purposes of participating in a WCS Global Event. In addition, a “qualifying foreign resident” must win at least 100 StarCraft II ladder games per month in his or her Circuit Region, and must play all StarCraft II online tournament and ladder games from his or her Circuit Region. Blizzard may waive one or more of these “qualifying foreign resident” requirements for participants who provide Blizzard with proof of their consistent residency in a country since January 1, 2013.
For further reference, section 4.6(b) which applies to effectively all "foreigners."
For the purposes of the WCS, a “citizen” is a participant who is a citizen of a Circuit Country, and a “permanent resident” is a participant who has legally qualified for permanent residency in a Circuit Country and has resided in that country for at least one year prior to the first match of the event in which the participant wishes to participate.
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Ah, the anti korean rules don't allow it other ways around? Not surprised. Sad for TRUE.
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My opinion on that matter:
On March 29 2018 16:04 Charoisaur wrote:What? How can they do this? This is outrageous. It's unfair. How can foreigners be allowed to play in both tournaments without any issue but koreans not be allowed to do the same???
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France12761 Posts
It's pretty sad.
Region locking should be removed now that Serral beat Classic and Rogue.
That way people won't be mad that foreigners take GSL spots, TRUE wouldn't be screwed, and foreign terrans will be as successful as foreigners that aren't named Serral or Neeb so this is fair.
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On March 29 2018 16:38 HolydaKing wrote:
Ah, the anti korean rules don't allow it other ways around? Not surprised. Sad for TRUE.
Yes. Succinctly put, the issue at hand is:
1. If you were born in Korea, you can play in EITHER WCS Korea or WCS Circuit
2. If you were born in any other country in the world, you can play in BOTH WCS Korea and WCS Circuit
Edit: added to OP
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Fuck that rule.
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United States33175 Posts
On March 29 2018 16:43 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 16:38 HolydaKing wrote:
Ah, the anti korean rules don't allow it other ways around? Not surprised. Sad for TRUE. Yes. Succinctly put, the issue at hand is: 1. If you were born in Korea, you can play in EITHER WCS Korea or WCS Circuit 2. If you were born in any other country in the world, you can play in BOTH WCS Korea and WCS Circuit Edit: added to OP
1. Is blatantly untrue. Korean players with qualifying visas can compete in both WCS Circuit and WCS Korea. However, travel and residency restrictions, and the WCS schedule make it practically impossible to complete a full, weeks long Code S run while also competing in WCS circuit. However, there's nothing stopping TRUE from going to Korea and qualifying and competing in an event within the travel parameters. For example, he's competing in Super Tournament, and there are no complaints/issues with that.
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So you are basically saying he can't travel as much as Scarlett because it's not possible for Koreans living outside of Korea? Otherwise Scarlett has to play in Code S for a long time too while also competing in WCS circuit (afaik).
That's what the rulebook says if I understand it correctly, but is it necessary?
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United States33175 Posts
On March 29 2018 16:54 HolydaKing wrote:
So you are basically saying he can't travel as much as Scarlett because it's not possible for Koreans living outside of Korea? Otherwise Scarlett has to play in Code S for a long time too while also competing in WCS circuit (afaik).
That's what the rulebook says if I understand it correctly, but is it necessary?
Citizens of a WCS Circuit country (basically anywhere but Korea) have no restrictions on their residence or travel.
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On March 29 2018 16:57 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 16:54 HolydaKing wrote:
So you are basically saying he can't travel as much as Scarlett because it's not possible for Koreans living outside of Korea? Otherwise Scarlett has to play in Code S for a long time too while also competing in WCS circuit (afaik).
That's what the rulebook says if I understand it correctly, but is it necessary? Citizens of a WCS Circuit country (basically anywhere but Korea) have no restrictions on their residence or travel.
So it's a Korea residency/travelling issue and not a Blizzard rule book issue?
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United States33175 Posts
On March 29 2018 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 16:57 Waxangel wrote:On March 29 2018 16:54 HolydaKing wrote:
So you are basically saying he can't travel as much as Scarlett because it's not possible for Koreans living outside of Korea? Otherwise Scarlett has to play in Code S for a long time too while also competing in WCS circuit (afaik).
That's what the rulebook says if I understand it correctly, but is it necessary? Citizens of a WCS Circuit country (basically anywhere but Korea) have no restrictions on their residence or travel. So it's a Korea residency/travelling issue and not a Blizzard rule book issue?
No, the WCS rules implement travel and residency conditions on Koreans who acquire certain visas that allow them to compete abroad. Such restrictions are listed in my first post in this thread.
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On March 29 2018 16:58 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 16:57 Waxangel wrote:On March 29 2018 16:54 HolydaKing wrote:
So you are basically saying he can't travel as much as Scarlett because it's not possible for Koreans living outside of Korea? Otherwise Scarlett has to play in Code S for a long time too while also competing in WCS circuit (afaik).
That's what the rulebook says if I understand it correctly, but is it necessary? Citizens of a WCS Circuit country (basically anywhere but Korea) have no restrictions on their residence or travel. So it's a Korea residency/travelling issue and not a Blizzard rule book issue?
Any Korean players can choose to acquire a foreign visa, live outside Korea, and play in the WCS in the same way TRUE does. However for various reasons most choose not to do this.
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so blizzard decide to kill foreigners pride again huh?
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On March 29 2018 16:47 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 16:43 pvsnp wrote:On March 29 2018 16:38 HolydaKing wrote:
Ah, the anti korean rules don't allow it other ways around? Not surprised. Sad for TRUE. Yes. Succinctly put, the issue at hand is: 1. If you were born in Korea, you can play in EITHER WCS Korea or WCS Circuit 2. If you were born in any other country in the world, you can play in BOTH WCS Korea and WCS Circuit Edit: added to OP 1. Is blatantly untrue. Korean players with qualifying visas can compete in both WCS Circuit and WCS Korea. However, travel and residency restrictions, and the WCS schedule make it practically impossible to complete a full, weeks long Code S run while also competing in WCS circuit. However, there's nothing stopping TRUE from going to Korea and qualifying and competing in an event within the travel parameters. For example, he's competing in Super Tournament, and there are no complaints/issues with that.
What kind of competition has one of its competitors 100% unable to win? Under region-lock,TRUE cannot lift a Code S trophy even if he were to become a literal god overnight and utterly stomp every single player in Korea, not unless he wishes to sacrifice playing in the Circuit.
Competition? At best it's a sham, at worst a mockery.
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I really wish Blizzard either allowed everyone to play everywhere or lock GSL to only Koreans. It's already stupid enough how foreigners can come and play wherever they want but Koreans are stuck in GSL. Why should foreigners have the opportunity to play in two locked regions and not koreans? makes no sense!
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China6327 Posts
Blizzard needs to sort out those eligibility holes, controversies around it happen almost every year since WCS was a thing.
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People don't care about real solutions they just want to choose a side and then defend their position at all costs.
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Whatever you do Blizzard, please don't split the scene in half! If half of GSL moves to WCS GSL would be finished.
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I'm sorry, really sorry for that.. but It's just fucked up, is what that is.
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