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On March 29 2018 23:47 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 23:46 FrkFrJss wrote:On March 29 2018 23:01 Boggyb wrote:
Delete region locking or enforce it on Korean events as well. The former is better than the latter as competitive events should be open to everyone and the best player should win. If non-Korean Starcraft dies, so be it. A region with only 2 of the 3 races wasn't worth saving in the first place. The problem is that we've gone through this before. If the global scene collapses, the Korean scene will also collapse. Like it or not, but it's money from Blizzard and outside organizations that are keeping the SC2 scene alive. Remember, tournament organizers stopped wanting to hold SC2 events because the local scenes were getting destroyed. If we return to a pre-region lock time, the foreign scene will collapse and then the Korean scene. So if that's the case, I'm in favour of tiered region locking. If you are of a certain skill level in a region, you cannot compete in both regions, but if you are under a certain skill level, you can compete in all tournaments. In that case lock the GSL and save the Korea. Let the foreigners taste their own medicine.
The reason GSL isn't region-locked has less to do with Blizzard and their rules and more with 1st GOMTV and now AfreecaTV wanting foreigners in it also since foreigners vs koreans draws alot of viewers overall for SC2. WCS is region-locked due to Blizzard to keep prize money more in other countries so they can do SC2 more fulltime instead of Korea taking 90% of the prize money.
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What's reason behind letting Foreigners to play both WCS and GSL and force True to pick between one of the two? I'm sorry but this is terrible
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Its not just the region lock.
Code S requires living in Korea while playing in Code S. If they remove this restriction then TRUE wouldn't have any issues participating in both. It will involve a bit more travel, but he'll be able to do it.
So its both sides that make it impossible, Code S and the region lock. If it mattered that much for KR they could have had less restricted rules for who is allowed to participate and play in Code S, though it means that more foreigners will play there, so its up to them as well.
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On March 30 2018 00:07 bulya wrote:
Its not just the region lock.
Code S requires living in Korea while playing in Code S. If they remove this restriction then TRUE wouldn't have any issues participating in both. It will involve a bit more travel, but he'll be able to do it.
So its both sides that make it impossible, Code S and the region lock. If it mattered that much for KR they could have had less restricted rules for who is allowed to participate and play in Code S, though it means that more foreigners will play there, so its up to them as well.
Right, so they could say "everything up to ro16 or ro8 is online" kind of like the old WCS. The GSL is basically soft-regionlocked. Anyone can play, but you have to physically be there.
Or conversely, if WCS made its qualifiers offline only, then players would be more likely to stay in their home region because of flight costs.
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I feel like this rule is really outdated at this point. There are foreigners who can hang with Koreans now. It's not like the yesteryears where it wasn't even close. The Korean SC2 scene is struggling enough as it is - these people deserve, imo, to be able to make a living at this just like everyone else in the world.
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On March 29 2018 16:47 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2018 16:43 pvsnp wrote:On March 29 2018 16:38 HolydaKing wrote:
Ah, the anti korean rules don't allow it other ways around? Not surprised. Sad for TRUE. Yes. Succinctly put, the issue at hand is: 1. If you were born in Korea, you can play in EITHER WCS Korea or WCS Circuit 2. If you were born in any other country in the world, you can play in BOTH WCS Korea and WCS Circuit Edit: added to OP 1. Is blatantly untrue. Korean players with qualifying visas can compete in both WCS Circuit and WCS Korea. However, travel and residency restrictions, and the WCS schedule make it practically impossible to complete a full, weeks long Code S run while also competing in WCS circuit. However, there's nothing stopping TRUE from going to Korea and qualifying and competing in an event within the travel parameters. For example, he's competing in Super Tournament, and there are no complaints/issues with that.
Wait but the whole point here is that True cannot compete in Super Tournament without forfeiting his Circuit run.
I don't understand. What am I missing?
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On March 30 2018 00:29 LHK wrote:
I feel like this rule is really outdated at this point. There are foreigners who can hang with Koreans now. It's not like the yesteryears where it wasn't even close. The Korean SC2 scene is struggling enough as it is - these people deserve, imo, to be able to make a living at this just like everyone else in the world.
I'm a super fan of foreigners, but I assume you've seen the results of Katowice, Blizzcon, WESG, and GSL vs. The World? Some foreigners can hang with some Koreans, but by and large the Korean scene is better than the foreign scene. If we want fairness, then we can region lock both scenes entirely, but removing the regionlock entirely is not a good option.
On March 30 2018 00:32 OrangeGarage wrote:Wait but the whole point here is that True cannot compete in Super Tournament without forfeiting his Circuit run.
I don't understand. What am I missing?
We haven't heard anything, so maybe Blizzard is making TRUE forfeit his ST participation, but as of right now, TRUE is being forced to forfeit participation in the GSL not the Super Tournament.
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Injustice, plain and simple. Open competition should be paramount but Jingoism and coddling have won out because of the "faceless Korean" meme, which is really just a thinly-veiled tribal in group vs. out group mentality.
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On March 30 2018 00:35 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 00:29 LHK wrote:
I feel like this rule is really outdated at this point. There are foreigners who can hang with Koreans now. It's not like the yesteryears where it wasn't even close. The Korean SC2 scene is struggling enough as it is - these people deserve, imo, to be able to make a living at this just like everyone else in the world. I'm a super fan of foreigners, but I assume you've seen the results of Katowice, Blizzcon, WESG, and GSL vs. The World? Some foreigners can hang with some Koreans, but by and large the Korean scene is better than the foreign scene. If we want fairness, then we can region lock both scenes entirely, but removing the regionlock entirely is not a good option. Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 00:32 OrangeGarage wrote:Wait but the whole point here is that True cannot compete in Super Tournament without forfeiting his Circuit run.
I don't understand. What am I missing? We haven't heard anything, so maybe Blizzard is making TRUE forfeit his ST participation, but as of right now, TRUE is being forced to forfeit participation in the GSL not the Super Tournament.
Oh you're right! I forgot True made code s this season  Shame to see he can't participate in both even though it sounds like he worked out the logistics. I wonder what happens to the GSL spot when he leaves?
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On March 29 2018 23:48 WGT-Baal wrote:
So if it stands and TRUE choses WCS, what happens to his GSL slot? Wildcard? Is there even time for that?
There is plenty of time to hold a wildcard tournament if they do it online. If they don't feel like going to that effort, they could just have a mini-tournament featuring Maka, NaTuRal, and jjakji for the spot since they were the only players eliminated by TRUE in either qualifier.
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It's simply disgusting. I feel very sad for TRUE. If he chooses WCS, I really wish he wins all money from the foreignland to compensate for this bullshit.
I actually never complained about the region lock, but this news makes me want to puke.
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i wonder why blizzard responsible stuff didn`t notify TRUE before qualification that he can`t take his GSL slot either, or why TRUE himself decided go to qualification if he knows that he cannot participate there.
that would prevent us from many issues and mess what we`ve got now
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Region locking made sense and helped when foreigners were a developing scene and Korean competition was leaps and bounds ahead. It doesn't anymore, I hope Blizzard is entertaining the idea of removing it.
It's just like China's developing economy, it made sense to isolate to spur growth but now that they are "winning" just like foreign Starcraft players, it's time to level the playing field again.
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On March 30 2018 01:32 Mike L wrote:
i wonder why blizzard responsible stuff didn`t notify TRUE before qualification that he can`t take his GSL slot either, or why TRUE himself decided go to qualification if he knows that he cannot participate there.
that would prevent us from many issues and mess what we`ve got now
It wouldn't prevent the mess. We just wouldn't have official confirmation of the double standard which means an outcry against it might not happen and change it.
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On March 30 2018 01:36 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 01:32 Mike L wrote:
i wonder why blizzard responsible stuff didn`t notify TRUE before qualification that he can`t take his GSL slot either, or why TRUE himself decided go to qualification if he knows that he cannot participate there.
that would prevent us from many issues and mess what we`ve got now It wouldn't prevent the mess. We just wouldn't have official confirmation of the double standard which means an outcry against it might not happen and change it.
did you actually believe that thread on TL and some tweets might be able to change region rules?
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This is the most outrageous thing i read in a while about sc2. i was already in the team "I'll root against all foreingner in GSL cuz Koreans can't play in both circuits" and some people were saying "they can do the same as True" (basically spending a year in foreign country without playing WCS tournament at all) but even that is not possible as it seems !
good job blizzard ! GSL should grow some balls and ban all foreigner for participating. Or maybe allowing only one foreigner spot.
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On March 30 2018 00:35 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 00:29 LHK wrote:
I feel like this rule is really outdated at this point. There are foreigners who can hang with Koreans now. It's not like the yesteryears where it wasn't even close. The Korean SC2 scene is struggling enough as it is - these people deserve, imo, to be able to make a living at this just like everyone else in the world. I'm a super fan of foreigners, but I assume you've seen the results of Katowice, Blizzcon, WESG, and GSL vs. The World? Some foreigners can hang with some Koreans, but by and large the Korean scene is better than the foreign scene. If we want fairness, then we can region lock both scenes entirely, but removing the regionlock entirely is not a good option. Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 00:32 OrangeGarage wrote:Wait but the whole point here is that True cannot compete in Super Tournament without forfeiting his Circuit run.
I don't understand. What am I missing? We haven't heard anything, so maybe Blizzard is making TRUE forfeit his ST participation, but as of right now, TRUE is being forced to forfeit participation in the GSL not the Super Tournament.
keep in mind that it were only the top top koreans who facerolled foreigners. Below the Inno/Maru/Dark tier the koreans are far less dominant than they used to be.
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On March 30 2018 02:05 Mike L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 01:36 Boggyb wrote:On March 30 2018 01:32 Mike L wrote:
i wonder why blizzard responsible stuff didn`t notify TRUE before qualification that he can`t take his GSL slot either, or why TRUE himself decided go to qualification if he knows that he cannot participate there.
that would prevent us from many issues and mess what we`ve got now It wouldn't prevent the mess. We just wouldn't have official confirmation of the double standard which means an outcry against it might not happen and change it. did you actually believe that thread on TL and some tweets might be able to change region rules?
It has in the past like when the "ForGG rule" got implemented.
But recently their actions seemed to be very anti-korean so I'm not sure it will happen again.
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Does jjakji, who lost the deciding match, get his spot?
Outrageous nevertheless.
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I really hope foreigner lose in ro32, and sad for the lowtier Koreans, they could have compete in GSL and earn some monney, but the best foreigner, who can compet in WCS circuit, got there and took their monney and their spot..
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