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On March 30 2018 02:31 Mun_Su wrote:
I really hope foreigner lose in ro32, and sad for the lowtier Koreans, they could have compete in GSL and earn some monney, but the best foreigner, who can compet in WCS circuit, got there and took their monney and their spot..
Nah man, those few bottom spots aren't a big deal.
Not hurting the korean scene at all, Dark and Inno are still doing fine.
Who cares about random mid-tier koreans anyway?
/s
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On March 30 2018 02:05 Mike L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 01:36 Boggyb wrote:On March 30 2018 01:32 Mike L wrote:
i wonder why blizzard responsible stuff didn`t notify TRUE before qualification that he can`t take his GSL slot either, or why TRUE himself decided go to qualification if he knows that he cannot participate there.
that would prevent us from many issues and mess what we`ve got now It wouldn't prevent the mess. We just wouldn't have official confirmation of the double standard which means an outcry against it might not happen and change it. did you actually believe that thread on TL and some tweets might be able to change region rules?
Companies have no morals until they are shamed. If enough people call Blizzard on it, they will react.
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On March 30 2018 01:32 Mike L wrote:
i wonder why blizzard responsible stuff didn`t notify TRUE before qualification that he can`t take his GSL slot either, or why TRUE himself decided go to qualification if he knows that he cannot participate there.
that would prevent us from many issues and mess what we`ve got now
That would assume that Blizzard knew in advance that he was doing these qualifiers. They may not have known until he already qualified.
As to why TRUE thought he could participate, I really don't know because when I read the rules, I immediately realized that TRUE would be in trouble.
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On March 30 2018 02:37 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 02:05 Mike L wrote:On March 30 2018 01:36 Boggyb wrote:On March 30 2018 01:32 Mike L wrote:
i wonder why blizzard responsible stuff didn`t notify TRUE before qualification that he can`t take his GSL slot either, or why TRUE himself decided go to qualification if he knows that he cannot participate there.
that would prevent us from many issues and mess what we`ve got now It wouldn't prevent the mess. We just wouldn't have official confirmation of the double standard which means an outcry against it might not happen and change it. did you actually believe that thread on TL and some tweets might be able to change region rules? Companies have no morals until they are shamed. If enough people call Blizzard on it, they will react.
I dunno, region-lock has been controversial ever since Blizzard implemented it, but they've shown no inclination to even respond to community outrage in that regard
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Comparing foreigners playing in GSL to Koreans playing in WCS is laughable at best. The foreigners playing in GSL are actually living in Korea. The Koreans in WCS were living in Korea, playing the Ro32 online, flying over for the Ro16 and playoffs, and making it so no one outside of Scarlett could make a living playing the game in NA. If the region lock were removed it would make Code S a farce, with basically anyone who signed up qualifying with the amount of Koreans who would choose to play in WCS rather than GSL. It would basically be a bunch of teamless Koreans getting their skulls bashed in by Maru, Dark, and Zest every season until the Ro8. Maybe with how few full-time Koreans that are left and how few of them have teams the impact on the foreign scene would be less than in 2013-2014, but I doubt it.
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On March 30 2018 03:37 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 02:37 Boggyb wrote:On March 30 2018 02:05 Mike L wrote:On March 30 2018 01:36 Boggyb wrote:On March 30 2018 01:32 Mike L wrote:
i wonder why blizzard responsible stuff didn`t notify TRUE before qualification that he can`t take his GSL slot either, or why TRUE himself decided go to qualification if he knows that he cannot participate there.
that would prevent us from many issues and mess what we`ve got now It wouldn't prevent the mess. We just wouldn't have official confirmation of the double standard which means an outcry against it might not happen and change it. did you actually believe that thread on TL and some tweets might be able to change region rules? Companies have no morals until they are shamed. If enough people call Blizzard on it, they will react. I dunno, region-lock has been controversial ever since Blizzard implemented it, but they've shown no inclination to even respond to community outrage in that regard
There were arguments in defense of region lock. Bad arguments, but arguments none the less. There is no argument for a blatant double standard for players based solely on country of origin.
User was warned for this post
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Jesus Fucking Christ the moderation on this site is as dumb as Blizzard is with this decision. You can't talk about the content of an event in a thread about the event and you can't say that double standards are indefensible.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On March 30 2018 04:17 Boggyb wrote:
Jesus Fucking Christ the moderation on this site is as dumb as Blizzard is with this decision. You can't talk about the content of an event in a thread about the event and you can't say that double standards are indefensible.
Uh.....quality of the moderation notwithstanding, it's only rational to take a Warning as, well, a warning.
Which is to say, stop. Not double down.
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On March 30 2018 04:19 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 04:17 Boggyb wrote:
Jesus Fucking Christ the moderation on this site is as dumb as Blizzard is with this decision. You can't talk about the content of an event in a thread about the event and you can't say that double standards are indefensible.
Uh.....quality of the moderation notwithstanding, it's only rational to take a Warning as, well, a warning. Which is to say, stop. Not double down.
People get away with bullshit when nobody calls them on it.
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On March 30 2018 03:43 Solar424 wrote:
Comparing foreigners playing in GSL to Koreans playing in WCS is laughable at best. The foreigners playing in GSL are actually living in Korea. The Koreans in WCS were living in Korea, playing the Ro32 online, flying over for the Ro16 and playoffs, and making it so no one outside of Scarlett could make a living playing the game in NA. If the region lock were removed it would make Code S a farce, with basically anyone who signed up qualifying with the amount of Koreans who would choose to play in WCS rather than GSL. It would basically be a bunch of teamless Koreans getting their skulls bashed in by Maru, Dark, and Zest every season until the Ro8. Maybe with how few full-time Koreans that are left and how few of them have teams the impact on the foreign scene would be less than in 2013-2014, but I doubt it.
Most of the WCS EU koreans didn't live in korea.
Denying the similarity of foreigners playing in GSL to koreans playing in WCS is laughable at best.
It's exactly the same
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The funniest shit is that those foreigner living in korea now have an advantage towards foreigner who dont. Nothing has changed in the end
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On March 30 2018 04:23 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 04:19 pvsnp wrote:On March 30 2018 04:17 Boggyb wrote:
Jesus Fucking Christ the moderation on this site is as dumb as Blizzard is with this decision. You can't talk about the content of an event in a thread about the event and you can't say that double standards are indefensible.
Uh.....quality of the moderation notwithstanding, it's only rational to take a Warning as, well, a warning. Which is to say, stop. Not double down. People get away with bullshit when nobody calls them on it.
Have you read Water Margin? There's a saying in there that goes something like:
"Fear not officials–except those over you."
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On March 30 2018 04:17 Boggyb wrote:
Jesus Fucking Christ the moderation on this site is as dumb as Blizzard is with this decision. You can't talk about the content of an event in a thread about the event and you can't say that double standards are indefensible.
Please take it to website feedback if you have any issues with moderation.
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On March 30 2018 03:43 Solar424 wrote:
Comparing foreigners playing in GSL to Koreans playing in WCS is laughable at best. The foreigners playing in GSL are actually living in Korea. The Koreans in WCS were living in Korea, playing the Ro32 online, flying over for the Ro16 and playoffs, and making it so no one outside of Scarlett could make a living playing the game in NA. If the region lock were removed it would make Code S a farce, with basically anyone who signed up qualifying with the amount of Koreans who would choose to play in WCS rather than GSL. It would basically be a bunch of teamless Koreans getting their skulls bashed in by Maru, Dark, and Zest every season until the Ro8. Maybe with how few full-time Koreans that are left and how few of them have teams the impact on the foreign scene would be less than in 2013-2014, but I doubt it.
ForGG, MC, the whole My Insanity team, First & Yoda(I believe they were in a British team).
The WCS wasn't just WCS NA. It may surprise you, but almost all Koreans in WCS EU were living in Europe. And those who were not had hard times getting over qualifications(e.g. Mvp).
So the comparison is acutally fine.
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On March 30 2018 04:26 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 03:43 Solar424 wrote:
Comparing foreigners playing in GSL to Koreans playing in WCS is laughable at best. The foreigners playing in GSL are actually living in Korea. The Koreans in WCS were living in Korea, playing the Ro32 online, flying over for the Ro16 and playoffs, and making it so no one outside of Scarlett could make a living playing the game in NA. If the region lock were removed it would make Code S a farce, with basically anyone who signed up qualifying with the amount of Koreans who would choose to play in WCS rather than GSL. It would basically be a bunch of teamless Koreans getting their skulls bashed in by Maru, Dark, and Zest every season until the Ro8. Maybe with how few full-time Koreans that are left and how few of them have teams the impact on the foreign scene would be less than in 2013-2014, but I doubt it. Most of the WCS EU koreans didn't live in korea. Denying the similarity of foreigners playing in GSL to koreans playing in WCS is laughable at best. It's exactly the same
And the EU scene didn't completely die as a result, since players like ForGG, Mvp, and MC were playing on ladder and giving EU players good practice. Meanwhile the WCS NA Ro16 was 2-3 foreigners and the rest were Koreans flying over for the week, getting rid of any chance of a scene developing.
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On March 30 2018 02:45 Kalera wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 01:32 Mike L wrote:
i wonder why blizzard responsible stuff didn`t notify TRUE before qualification that he can`t take his GSL slot either, or why TRUE himself decided go to qualification if he knows that he cannot participate there.
that would prevent us from many issues and mess what we`ve got now That would assume that Blizzard knew in advance that he was doing these qualifiers. They may not have known until he already qualified. As to why TRUE thought he could participate, I really don't know because when I read the rules, I immediately realized that TRUE would be in trouble.
doesn`t matter will he advance or not the main goal that he cannot play in GSL and WCS and if BLizzard knews it back then as we might assume with the things what will happen after he advanced, why wouldn`t they didn`t notifying him and makes situation like this at least less complicated for each involving side compared to what we`ve see now?
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I'm done with watching GSL when foreigners plays
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Czech Republic12133 Posts
On March 30 2018 05:02 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 04:26 Charoisaur wrote:On March 30 2018 03:43 Solar424 wrote:
Comparing foreigners playing in GSL to Koreans playing in WCS is laughable at best. The foreigners playing in GSL are actually living in Korea. The Koreans in WCS were living in Korea, playing the Ro32 online, flying over for the Ro16 and playoffs, and making it so no one outside of Scarlett could make a living playing the game in NA. If the region lock were removed it would make Code S a farce, with basically anyone who signed up qualifying with the amount of Koreans who would choose to play in WCS rather than GSL. It would basically be a bunch of teamless Koreans getting their skulls bashed in by Maru, Dark, and Zest every season until the Ro8. Maybe with how few full-time Koreans that are left and how few of them have teams the impact on the foreign scene would be less than in 2013-2014, but I doubt it. Most of the WCS EU koreans didn't live in korea. Denying the similarity of foreigners playing in GSL to koreans playing in WCS is laughable at best. It's exactly the same And the EU scene didn't completely die as a result, since players like ForGG, Mvp, and MC were playing on ladder and giving EU players good practice. Meanwhile the WCS NA Ro16 was 2-3 foreigners and the rest were Koreans flying over for the week, getting rid of any chance of a scene developing.
Yes, and currently foreigners are killing the Korean scene. KeSPA teams are no more, only the last man standing are JAGW. Players have to win GSL for money. Low tier players are robbed by foreigner hopes. It seems only fair to either disband the region lock for all OR lock the players OR lock the GSL. This way all the foreign hopes cannot live in Korea and travel into WCS EXACTLY AS YOU DESCRIBED.
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On March 30 2018 05:36 Mun_Su wrote:
I'm done with watching GSL when foreigners plays
You don't want to see them get wrecked?
Let's be honest here, it always happens sooner or later. Mostly sooner.
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On March 30 2018 04:26 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2018 03:43 Solar424 wrote:
Comparing foreigners playing in GSL to Koreans playing in WCS is laughable at best. The foreigners playing in GSL are actually living in Korea. The Koreans in WCS were living in Korea, playing the Ro32 online, flying over for the Ro16 and playoffs, and making it so no one outside of Scarlett could make a living playing the game in NA. If the region lock were removed it would make Code S a farce, with basically anyone who signed up qualifying with the amount of Koreans who would choose to play in WCS rather than GSL. It would basically be a bunch of teamless Koreans getting their skulls bashed in by Maru, Dark, and Zest every season until the Ro8. Maybe with how few full-time Koreans that are left and how few of them have teams the impact on the foreign scene would be less than in 2013-2014, but I doubt it. Most of the WCS EU koreans didn't live in korea. Denying the similarity of foreigners playing in GSL to koreans playing in WCS is laughable at best. It's exactly the same
There is some similarity, but all foreigners except Scarlett in recent years have ben stopped at the ro32. In WCS EU/AM, there were consistently around 6/8 or 5/8 foreigners Koreans in WCS EU and 7/8 to 8/8 Koreans in WCS AM.
To say that the two situations are the same is not really accurate. One the one hand, you have the Koreans taking an large portion of the WCS EU/AM prize pool for 6 competitions, and on the other hand, you have a couple of foreigners having no success for three years and taking a small portion of the overall prize pool and then Scarlett's success in the ro8.
To deny the difference between the two situations is wrong, but to say that the situations are exactly the same is also quite wrong.
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