EPTIf TRUE and Scarlett are subject to different conditions of participation, the WCS rules are racist.
This has got to change!
TRUE cannot play in both GSL and WCS - Page 2
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
If TRUE and Scarlett are subject to different conditions of participation, the WCS rules are racist. This has got to change! | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
(1) Allow Korean players unrestricted access to the majority of the WCS circuit (2) Allow foreign players to qualify and play in GSL remotely from sanctioned venues up to the quarterfinals + sponsor a trip to Korea for the ones who reach the semis. Hearthstone is doing something similar to (2) and it it's not perfect, but it works. Yes, lag can be an issue, but that is something both (a) the foreign players who want to compete in the GSL remotely and (b) the Korean players who want to qualify for WCS circuit events remotely have to live with. | ||
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engesser1
264 Posts
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On March 29 2018 17:03 Waxangel wrote: No, the WCS rules implement travel and residency conditions on Koreans who acquire certain visas that allow them to compete abroad. Such restrictions are listed in my first post in this thread. So in other words, what pvsnp was correct and you're just nitpicking semantics? | ||
Poopi
France12904 Posts
On March 29 2018 17:48 JustPassingBy wrote: It's kind of silly how Koreans are not allowed to play in WCS events, and how hard it is for foreigners to participate in GSL. Sure, you could argue that both disadvantages cancel each other out, but stuff like this will always generate controversy. Why not just: (1) Allow Korean players unrestricted access to the majority of the WCS circuit (2) Allow foreign players to qualify and play in GSL remotely from sanctioned venues up to the quarterfinals + sponsor a trip to Korea for the ones who reach the semis. Hearthstone is doing something similar to (2) and it it's not perfect, but it works. Yes, lag can be an issue, but that is something both (a) the foreign players who want to compete in the GSL remotely and (b) the Korean players who want to qualify for WCS circuit events remotely have to live with. I strongly disagree. As much as I enjoyed TSL3 (Thorzain victory vs Naniwa is the one I'm talking about), it was plagued with lag issues. A GSL played cross server would be a disgrace. The simpler solution would be to go back, no region lock in 2019 and see how it goes. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 29 2018 17:54 engesser1 wrote: Can we ask (as the community) an official rep from Blizzard? They will ignore you the same way they ignored the disband of KeSPA(and thus the infrastructure) | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On March 29 2018 17:59 Poopi wrote: I strongly disagree. As much as I enjoyed TSL3 (Thorzain victory vs Naniwa is the one I'm talking about), it was plagued with lag issues. A GSL played cross server would be a disgrace. The simpler solution would be to go back, no region lock in 2019 and see how it goes. Then I suggest at least making some testruns. Just because of a privately organized tournament had problems 7 years ago doesn't mean that an officially event with blizzard support has to fail now. | ||
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Penev
28501 Posts
On March 29 2018 18:10 JustPassingBy wrote: Then I suggest at least making some testruns. Just because of a privately organized tournament had problems 7 years ago doesn't mean that an officially event with blizzard support has to fail now. Blizzard is (part of) the government? (; | ||
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Poopi
France12904 Posts
On March 29 2018 18:10 JustPassingBy wrote: Then I suggest at least making some testruns. Just because of a privately organized tournament had problems 7 years ago doesn't mean that an officially event with blizzard support has to fail now. ? The ping from EU to NA or KR to NA is still bad. EU to KR is unplayable. Now or 7 years ago doesn't change that fact. | ||
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KOtical
Germany451 Posts
remove region lock! its long overdue imo | ||
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KatatoniK
United Kingdom978 Posts
I have nothing against Scarlett and SpeciaL as players but they are doing exactly what everyone was upset at pre region lock. They are living in and training in Korea and flying out to WCS events and they’re playing in the GSL at the same time. They’re double dipping and being allowed to. Even the WCS Koreans weren’t allowed to do that pre-lock iirc TRUE on the other hand can’t do this even though he has a US visa and has been playing and training in the US because he’s Korean. Rules need to change now for this, it isn’t fair that some players can double dip while others can’t. Either get players to commit to one circuit at the start of the circuit or undo the region locking completely. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On March 29 2018 18:35 KatatoniK wrote: This is outrageous honestly. I remember the uproar about people finding it terrible that Koreans were living and practising in Korea and flying out to WCS events. I have nothing against Scarlett and SpeciaL as players but they are doing exactly what everyone was upset at pre region lock. They are living in and training in Korea and flying out to WCS events and they’re playing in the GSL at the same time. They’re double dipping and being allowed to. Even the WCS Koreans weren’t allowed to do that pre-lock iirc TRUE on the other hand can’t do this even though he has a US visa and has been playing and training in the US because he’s Korean. Rules need to change now for this, it isn’t fair that some players can double dip while others can’t. Either get players to commit to one circuit at the start of the circuit or undo the region locking completely. Those flying players were in rich teams. Otherwise they were living in there and most importantly, Europe was so laggy that they had to live here otherwise they risked not qualifying or getting out of the competition in RO32(e.g. Mvp). Our ladder had so many Koreans living here(we had one of the best terrans out there, ForGG), nowadays we have only foreigners(thus we have only Protoss and Zerg players). Sure, WCS NA was bad, as they could have competed from Korea. And on the top of that - nowadays there are no teams that could support lower tier Koreans flying left & right, damn it, even rich Koreans would have to invest their money. The only team we have is JAGW and they were not flying before, so I don't see a reason to start now. Korean infrastructure colapsed but the region lock is still in place like the KeSPA teams are still supporting SC2 teams and players. | ||
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SlyZ1
39 Posts
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
On March 29 2018 18:55 SlyZ1 wrote: How about just let anyone play anything? That way we could see a good Blizzcon and not 3-0 losses for non - Koreans... There is the "nuclear option", which is to simply abolish the WCS altogether and let each tournament organizer to decide on region locking for themselves. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16097 Posts
On March 29 2018 17:44 Aunvilgodess wrote: Whatever you do Blizzard, please don't split the scene in half! If half of GSL moves to WCS GSL would be finished. The fuck are you talking about? The well of talent in Korea is MASSIVE but most of them don't have the resources to fly themselves all over the world to compete in global events. GSL being the only tournament has created a huge bottleneck for Korean talent, they can't make it through qualifiers to actually win money so they have to either quit or switch games. If half of the best players up and left GSL to go play in WCS events, those players that couldn't get by them now all of a sudden have real shots at the money. What's fucked up about all of this is that the only "poor progamers" that Blizz seems to care about are the Western ones. This whole situation looks bad for Blizz, for Starcraft and for e-sports in general. Until Blizz comes to their senses and fucking apologizes for it I'm boycotting the WCS events. You can't call something a legit competition when you are barring qualified competitors that follow all of the goddamn rules in the rulebook from competing just because they're Korean. You can't. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16097 Posts
What did Katowice do differently that set it up for success? Global event with regional qualifiers and a GLOBAL FUCKING OPEN BRACKET. Good things happen when we just let the best players play. It's really that simple. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
I guess the question is whether there's the viewership to support it. | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5523 Posts
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Scottledouche
Canada5 Posts
People really want to see their favourite and the best players showcased. I know for myself and plenty of others, that when somebody like Byun or any other top tier player has a bad couple of months, falling from tournaments etc, we will get bored with watching the game. It is only when the best players get screen time that our interest in watching is renewed. I will end up watching even lower quality players when there are good players to watching previous or following matches. When there are only lower quality players on a roster, I will hardly ever watch that. This is a bad situation for the players, and the viewers. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On March 29 2018 17:47 sneakyfox wrote: This is racism, pure and simple. If TRUE and Scarlett er subject to different conditions of participation, the WCS rules are racist. This has got to change! the fuck is this... | ||
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