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DSh1
Profile Joined April 2017
292 Posts
March 17 2018 14:35 GMT
#161
Still, like I am sure other people mentioned the Raven missilie has to go. It's just bad to play and watch massing ravens.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-17 14:48:32
March 17 2018 14:46 GMT
#162
On March 17 2018 23:27 Durnuu wrote:
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On March 17 2018 23:22 Fango wrote:
Worth noting that Maru rolled Serral even harder when he just made marines and tanks than mass raven. Using that series to prove ravens are op is stupid.

That's a stupid argument, of course bio will end the game before a mech composition does.


It's not about game length, it's about competitiveness. The mech and raven games were close to some degree. The bio game was a roflstomp. If anything this series shows bio is stronger than mech/sky.

Also games with an obvious skill difference shouldn't really be used in balance discussions. Unless the weak player wins I guess.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
RoflStomped
Profile Joined July 2017
Iceland21 Posts
March 17 2018 15:36 GMT
#163
On March 17 2018 23:35 DSh1 wrote:
Still, like I am sure other people mentioned the Raven missilie has to go. It's just bad to play and watch massing ravens.


If Blizzard provide an effective alternative then I agree, No viking hp buff at any amount will achieve that.
hiroshOne
Profile Joined October 2015
Poland425 Posts
March 17 2018 16:17 GMT
#164
Serral vs Maru was not as onesided as u think. Those macro games could go both way. Serral just couldn't engage Maru's army mainly because of spammable Anti Rmour Missiles, which wrecked everything.
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Boggyb
Profile Joined January 2017
2855 Posts
March 17 2018 16:21 GMT
#165
On March 17 2018 23:35 DSh1 wrote:
Still, like I am sure other people mentioned the Raven missilie has to go. It's just bad to play and watch massing ravens.

Watching mass queens, infestors, or vipers is terrible, but we can't touch Zerg's precious spellcasters!
Athenau
Profile Joined March 2015
570 Posts
March 17 2018 16:46 GMT
#166
The game should force your opponent to gg once you have a hive. David Kim pls.

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Carminedust
Profile Joined October 2014
487 Posts
March 17 2018 19:44 GMT
#167
Ravens have always been an issue it always once a terran gets X amount of ravens its a win for the terran unless they have very sloppy control. whether it would be mass PDD spam or Hunter seeker missle spam to now anti armor spam were you just blanket the army in it and boop there goes the army
Maybe was Zoun only Fan before he retired idk
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
March 17 2018 19:58 GMT
#168
On March 18 2018 04:44 Carminedust wrote:
Ravens have always been an issue it always once a terran gets X amount of ravens its a win for the terran unless they have very sloppy control. whether it would be mass PDD spam or Hunter seeker missle spam to now anti armor spam were you just blanket the army in it and boop there goes the army


Kind of like psi storm.
SCHWARZENEGGER
Profile Joined July 2016
206 Posts
March 17 2018 20:04 GMT
#169
On March 17 2018 23:35 DSh1 wrote:
Still, like I am sure other people mentioned the Raven missilie has to go. It's just bad to play and watch massing ravens.


it's only possible when terran is untouched for 15 minutes, so Z and P must move their asses sometime.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16006 Posts
March 17 2018 20:32 GMT
#170
On March 18 2018 00:36 RoflStomped wrote:
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On March 17 2018 23:35 DSh1 wrote:
Still, like I am sure other people mentioned the Raven missilie has to go. It's just bad to play and watch massing ravens.


If Blizzard provide an effective alternative then I agree, No viking hp buff at any amount will achieve that.

+200 viking HP wouldn't achieve that?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
pereza0
Profile Joined October 2016
17 Posts
March 17 2018 20:34 GMT
#171
I do think only Maru could pull it off so well, but still, the missile feels a bit too safe.


I would either reduce the casting range a bit, so its not so safe to use.

Decreasing the damage a bit is an alternative, but I think lower range would keep the style alive but it would be a bit less hard to counter
RoflStomped
Profile Joined July 2017
Iceland21 Posts
March 17 2018 20:50 GMT
#172
On March 18 2018 05:32 Charoisaur wrote:
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On March 18 2018 00:36 RoflStomped wrote:
On March 17 2018 23:35 DSh1 wrote:
Still, like I am sure other people mentioned the Raven missilie has to go. It's just bad to play and watch massing ravens.


If Blizzard provide an effective alternative then I agree, No viking hp buff at any amount will achieve that.

+200 viking HP wouldn't achieve that?


Constructive conversation as always.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16006 Posts
March 17 2018 21:06 GMT
#173
On March 18 2018 05:50 RoflStomped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 05:32 Charoisaur wrote:
On March 18 2018 00:36 RoflStomped wrote:
On March 17 2018 23:35 DSh1 wrote:
Still, like I am sure other people mentioned the Raven missilie has to go. It's just bad to play and watch massing ravens.


If Blizzard provide an effective alternative then I agree, No viking hp buff at any amount will achieve that.

+200 viking HP wouldn't achieve that?


Constructive conversation as always.

okay, replace 200 with 20-50.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
SCHWARZENEGGER
Profile Joined July 2016
206 Posts
March 17 2018 21:37 GMT
#174
On March 18 2018 05:34 pereza0 wrote:
I do think only Maru could pull it off so well, but still, the missile feels a bit too safe.


I would either reduce the casting range a bit, so its not so safe to use.

Decreasing the damage a bit is an alternative, but I think lower range would keep the style alive but it would be a bit less hard to counter


decreased cast range it's like equivalent to 0 damage missile, parasitic already almost one hitting ravens, really down it do 10-15 damage would be perfect.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 18 2018 10:36 GMT
#175
On March 18 2018 06:37 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 05:34 pereza0 wrote:
I do think only Maru could pull it off so well, but still, the missile feels a bit too safe.


I would either reduce the casting range a bit, so its not so safe to use.

Decreasing the damage a bit is an alternative, but I think lower range would keep the style alive but it would be a bit less hard to counter


decreased cast range it's like equivalent to 0 damage missile, parasitic already almost one hitting ravens, really down it do 10-15 damage would be perfect.

If by one hitting you mean the full duration of a parasitic bomb does not kill a raven, then yes. How many ravens went down in the Maru vs Serral game to parasitic bombs?
Ravens have a sight of 11 and range on missile is 10, PB with 8 range is not the counter to ravens
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
ihatevideogames
Profile Joined August 2015
570 Posts
March 18 2018 10:42 GMT
#176
Are we really still talking about Ravens, when the first terran tournament win in months comes from a bio/tank push and 2 consecutive games of cheese?
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
March 18 2018 12:29 GMT
#177
On March 18 2018 19:42 ihatevideogames wrote:
Are we really still talking about Ravens, when the first terran tournament win in months comes from a bio/tank push and 2 consecutive games of cheese?


LOL hopefully not. Series went exactly as expected tbh..im just so happy for Maru..the balls rofl. Dark was not gonna be stopped by Ravens..not even close..so Maru summoned MVP
SCHWARZENEGGER
Profile Joined July 2016
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-18 12:55:03
March 18 2018 12:42 GMT
#178
On March 18 2018 19:36 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 06:37 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote:
On March 18 2018 05:34 pereza0 wrote:
I do think only Maru could pull it off so well, but still, the missile feels a bit too safe.


I would either reduce the casting range a bit, so its not so safe to use.

Decreasing the damage a bit is an alternative, but I think lower range would keep the style alive but it would be a bit less hard to counter


decreased cast range it's like equivalent to 0 damage missile, parasitic already almost one hitting ravens, really down it do 10-15 damage would be perfect.

If by one hitting you mean the full duration of a parasitic bomb does not kill a raven, then yes. How many ravens went down in the Maru vs Serral game to parasitic bombs?
Ravens have a sight of 11 and range on missile is 10, PB with 8 range is not the counter to ravens


when terran can afford losing 20 ravens and making 9 nukes at once, then you know his opponent is messed up.
at 19;00 mark in g3 you can see most of ravens are killed by vipers.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 18 2018 13:01 GMT
#179
On March 18 2018 19:42 ihatevideogames wrote:
Are we really still talking about Ravens, when the first terran tournament win in months comes from a bio/tank push and 2 consecutive games of cheese?

This thread is still about the proposed/withdrawn Raven changes, so yeah. If u want to cry about how underpowered Terran is because it could only win the Bo7 grandfinals for 200k$ with certain strat, find the appropriate thread
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
March 18 2018 13:13 GMT
#180
On March 18 2018 22:01 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2018 19:42 ihatevideogames wrote:
Are we really still talking about Ravens, when the first terran tournament win in months comes from a bio/tank push and 2 consecutive games of cheese?

This thread is still about the proposed/withdrawn Raven changes, so yeah. If u want to cry about how underpowered Terran is because it could only win the Bo7 grandfinals for 200k$ with certain strat, find the appropriate thread



LOL. Zerg tears bc Dark made dealing with ravens look easy. Game 1 was really bad to watch tho. But its crystal clear that the problem is on both sides. Any matchup where both players have incentive not to attacknl is bad.. but the early game helped set that up. Rest of the games were relatively entertaining but im not a big fan of mech v z myself.
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