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ByuN wins WCS Finals over Dark 4-2 - Page 5
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showstealer1829
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Ziggy
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RaFox17
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
Also leave the poor reapers alone  . I don't want them to fade to obscurity like they did for the second half of WoL and pretty much the entirety of HotS. Their only niche is in the early game and if they get nerfed there's a good chance they'll go back to never being built again. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On November 06 2016 15:56 showstealer1829 wrote: It wouldn't be TL if after the best Blizzcon finals for a while some of us didn't whine about the damn reaper grenades Best blizzcon finals in 12 months for sure. | ||
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SpaWnvERtiGO
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The Sc2 community I feel is silly sometimes. The player who CLEARLY has the best SKILLS won. Not the best build order, or some op comp like Broodlord infestor, or swarm host nonsense. And people have the BALLS to try to blame Byuns win on a build order? He's as Artosis has described him,THE BEST REAPER PLAYER IN THE WORLD. And this is SKILL BASED, MICRO BASED, HOW THE HELL IS IT A BUILD ORDER THING? I really feel like you take away adepts and a lot of Protoss just straight up don't know how to play. Case in point is how they favored adept builds over the more micro intensive stalker disruptor play. No banshees, hellions, cyclones, and after the queen buff, liberators in the early game really. So what's left? The Byun build, ( which he also executes better than anyone else, just look at the Violet games, or Byuns win over Dark in the GSL where he snipes all the banes... Was that op too?) or three rax reapers. Dark was one of the first zergs I saw who rushed a roach warren and then got an early ravager to push reaper builds back. SLOW THE GODDAMN GAME DOWN!!!!! Stop trying to rush to Ultras every damn game ASAP. And I mostly played Zerg in my time. Byun did that Medi-vac build iN EVERY game practically in SSL, Dark SHOULD HAVE HAD AN ANSWER FOR IT GOOD LORD, how many games were available to study? 100? Easy. Maybe 300 lol... If the build is so strong why only TWO terrans at blizzcon and SEVEN GODDAMN ZERGS? Did TY do it even ONCE at Blizzconn? Did Maru do it to Nerchio at Kespa cup? Take Byuns Dear GSL semis, where Byun goes cloak Banshees. That wasn't a " build" , you can't just GO banshees and expect it to work, that was a strat, based on the meta of banshees being useless vs stargate openings, and toss going warp prism first, therefore being unprepared vs a cloak tech cause they have no detection.That's a GodDamn STRATEGY!!!! The community loves builds, anyone can replicate some build. But what Byun does, very few can, and I feel like people don't like it when the game is more micro oriented, you can't just study and replicate the play. Seriously' mass banes still kill Terrans easily, why didn't we see that? Or it's like when Showtime surprises Byun by actually making a support unit and using it correctly. Byun might have played 100 straight games vs build order toss players who NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED MAKING A COLOSSI, of course he's gonna be taken aback. The Terran scene in Korea was SO STRONG THIS YEAR, yet only 2 at Blizzcon, still all this whining, Goddamn SHM | ||
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aringadingding
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rednusa
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ByuN gave us a masterclass in each match-up for terran. This is how you beat some of the top players from each race. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary485 Posts
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2217 Posts
Thanks TL for all the writeups this year. | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
It is obvious that this reaper build is not balanced at all. Remember how WOL reapers were nerfed? Well in LOTV they were rebuffed and are as strong as they was then, and they added granades...How cannot this be broken? The problem with mass reapers early game in ZvT is that Zerg has two outcomes to face- either u die or you are so behind that u die from follow up attack. That's what happened in those finals. The only wat Zerg can defend this and go into midgame without being behind is when Terran messes up micro, and on the level of blizzcon finals, it's unlikely. Hope that Blizzard will fix this. TLO's proposalwhich Snute quoted seems to be good direction. Neither way, congratulations to the winner. It was great finals. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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Raineeb
Philippines39 Posts
 ByuN! I LovE his passion when he ran all the way from the booth to hug his trophy like his long lost Love. He really deserved it!  | ||
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proortoss
China14 Posts
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
 Thanks for the feel good story Byun. You've come a long way indeed p.s. thanks also for making terran great again in the process  | ||
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Vertical
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Matte3D
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Scrubwave
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Crovear
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This is my first time ever posting on here, but I felt compelled to after reading a lot of these post.. The Sc2 community I feel is silly sometimes. The player who CLEARLY has the best SKILLS won. Not the best build order, or some op comp like Broodlord infestor, or swarm host nonsense. And people have the BALLS to try to blame Byuns win on a build order? He's as Artosis has described him,THE BEST REAPER PLAYER IN THE WORLD. And this is SKILL BASED, MICRO BASED, HOW THE HELL IS IT A BUILD ORDER THING? I really feel like you take away adepts and a lot of Protoss just straight up don't know how to play. Case in point is how they favored adept builds over the more micro intensive stalker disruptor play. No banshees, hellions, cyclones, and after the queen buff, liberators in the early game really. So what's left? The Byun build, ( which he also executes better than anyone else, just look at the Violet games, or Byuns win over Dark in the GSL where he snipes all the banes... Was that op too?) or three rax reapers. Dark was one of the first zergs I saw who rushed a roach warren and then got an early ravager to push reaper builds back. SLOW THE GODDAMN GAME DOWN!!!!! Stop trying to rush to Ultras every damn game ASAP. And I mostly played Zerg in my time. Byun did that Medi-vac build iN EVERY game practically in SSL, Dark SHOULD HAVE HAD AN ANSWER FOR IT GOOD LORD, how many games were available to study? 100? Easy. Maybe 300 lol... If the build is so strong why only TWO terrans at blizzcon and SEVEN GODDAMN ZERGS? Did TY do it even ONCE at Blizzconn? Did Maru do it to Nerchio at Kespa cup? Take Byuns Dear GSL semis, where Byun goes cloak Banshees. That wasn't a " build" , you can't just GO banshees and expect it to work, that was a strat, based on the meta of banshees being useless vs stargate openings, and toss going warp prism first, therefore being unprepared vs a cloak tech cause they have no detection.That's a GodDamn STRATEGY!!!! The community loves builds, anyone can replicate some build. But what Byun does, very few can, and I feel like people don't like it when the game is more micro oriented, you can't just study and replicate the play. Seriously' mass banes still kill Terrans easily, why didn't we see that? Or it's like when Showtime surprises Byun by actually making a support unit and using it correctly. Byun might have played 100 straight games vs build order toss players who NEVER EVEN CONSIDERED MAKING A COLOSSI, of course he's gonna be taken aback. The Terran scene in Korea was SO STRONG THIS YEAR, yet only 2 at Blizzcon, still all this whining, Goddamn SHM I love this post, you could have toned down on the caps and generally anger but the point you make is great and i think your arguments are more on point. That said i am not a pro or even its hard to call me a sc2 player but if the pros think the grenade is op/bad for the game, maybe we could increase the cooldown by 1-5 sec or smth like that. Im surprised these kind of nerfs are rarely proposed. | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On November 06 2016 18:34 Scrubwave wrote: What's wrong with reapers besides the fact that they're one of the "you have x minutes to live" units? Not sure what you mean by "x minutes to live" but they are too powerfull to come out so early with such mass. They have healing, mobility and firepower. The fact that they but zerg behind in a meta where Z mid game is really weak vs. T is a big problem. All the cards are in the T players hands because of the strengths of the reaper. | ||
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