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On November 06 2016 10:21 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 10:01 Rollora wrote:On November 06 2016 09:58 Poopi wrote: Really unfortunate we can't see the players first pov. Maybe there will be a replaypack? I mean real fpov which was probably insane. You mean with mouse interactions? Hmm that would be awesome. But I was already sick after some Flash Replays and all his camera changes :D Because everything else you can have in a replay (by selecting the players, but I guess you know that already).
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To be honest i was already expecting a Byun victory like 4-2 or 4-3 but still it was a disappointing series for me except the game 5. Byun played super good obviously but Reaper Granades killed all the joy and caused insta finished one sided games.Wish they just remove it, it doesn't contribute anything positive to the game.
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Well deserved win for ByuN, although I wanted Dark to win
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On November 06 2016 10:41 KeksX wrote: Well deserved win for ByuN, although I wanted Dark to win Even though I believed from the start of Blizzcon Dark was the best Zerg in the world.. I wanted Byun to win. As a person. Above races and cheers and balance and all that shit. I just wanted Byun to win.
He did and did so in the most convincing, skillful fashion. He confused and at some points annoyed me that he refused to make ghosts and go late game. He just stuck to his guns, used the units he knew best, and won.
Can't be disappointed with that!
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Incredible series, Byun was the crow hero and he deserves it.
But that game 5.... wow Dark! It makes me want moar starcraft! I cant wait for the next game 5 of this both legends
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Congrats to ByuN! What a finals!
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United States97274 Posts
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Insane Finals...I was sorta surprised Dark did not try to take a more agressive stance against the Terran God though, for the most part he backed his macro and defense to win the day...Game 5 he proved his strategy had some merit, but to consistently play like Dark did in Game 5 is nigh impossible. CONgratz to both, Byun Super well played Sir!!! What a Gweomul!!!
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I hope they release fppov of dark for game 5
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I don't think Reaper grenades are that bad, and I think ByuN had some of the best Reaper micro seen thus far.
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I cant decide which is most pleasing to me. That ByuN won or that foreigners took 0 maps off Koreans at BlizzCon :D
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On November 06 2016 11:08 asongdotnet wrote: I hope they release fppov of dark for game 5 The technology to release fp vods or to stream fp just isn't there yet! just 2016 things..
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Winning WCS girlfriend? :O I thought it was the trophy. :>
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TLADT24920 Posts
Grats to Byun, well deserved!
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Norway839 Posts
On November 06 2016 10:36 Aegwynn wrote: To be honest i was already expecting a Byun victory like 4-2 or 4-3 but still it was a disappointing series for me except the game 5. Byun played super good obviously but Reaper Granades killed all the joy and caused insta finished one sided games.Wish they just remove it, it doesn't contribute anything positive to the game. yeah ... reaper grenades rob players and viewers of games such as game 5 (sejong). in my opinion, early game reaper vs queen is boring as fuck to watch and i see no reason why one wouldn't allow further emphasis on the fantastic midgame ... same with HOTS ZvT, matches like INnoVation vs Life that just ended with hellbat timing shreking a 2base muta build after hellbats were brought in to 'spice things up'.
i just don't understand why we're getting these early games when midgame is so great to play and watch. quick games can be 'fun' and 'belong in a series' but it could've been so much more. imo we're not in a hurry to finish up a series quickly, so i wish games like Frozen temple and Frost could've been replaced with more than what they are today. hoping someone understands what i mean because it's a bit tricky - reapers simply scale too well and don't become irrelevant quickly enough, or they're just flat out too slippery and strong, even dark setting up surrounds didn't do anything because reaper explosion just destroys lings ...
i'm so happy about aegwynns comment here because i feel rather strongly about the same topic both as a viewer and player
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This final was what I needed to rekindle my passion.
I saw Byun in early GSL days. He was already good, but never on the top. Now he came back. Without a team, he tore through the GSL. At Blizzcon, he faced the new-age zerg which was destined to dominate. But Byun prepared better.
What a series. And what a story-line.
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TLADT24920 Posts
On November 06 2016 12:19 Liquid`Snute wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2016 10:36 Aegwynn wrote: To be honest i was already expecting a Byun victory like 4-2 or 4-3 but still it was a disappointing series for me except the game 5. Byun played super good obviously but Reaper Granades killed all the joy and caused insta finished one sided games.Wish they just remove it, it doesn't contribute anything positive to the game. yeah ... reaper grenades rob players and viewers of games such as game 5 (sejong). in my opinion, early game reaper vs queen is boring as fuck to watch and i see no reason why one wouldn't allow further emphasis on the fantastic midgame ... same with HOTS ZvT, matches like INnoVation vs Life that just ended with hellbat timing shreking a 2base muta build after hellbats were brought in to 'spice things up'. i just don't understand why we're getting these early games when midgame is so great to play and watch. quick games can be 'fun' and 'belong in a series' but it could've been so much more. imo we're not in a hurry to finish up a series quickly, so i wish games like Frozen temple and Frost could've been replaced with more than what they are today. hoping someone understands what i mean because it's a bit tricky - reapers simply scale too well and don't become irrelevant quickly enough, or they're just flat out too slippery and strong, even dark setting up surrounds didn't do anything because reaper explosion just destroys lings ... i'm so happy about aegwynns comment here because i feel rather strongly about the same topic both as a viewer and player as someone who doesn't really follow SCII (only saw 2 games before, Nerchio vs Maru), reapers' micro throughout the finals was fantastic from Byun but I do feel like grenade needs maybe a slight nerf? He delayed that all-in easily in one of the games and in the others, felt like it would be terribly hard for a Zerg to straight up engage because Byun would constantly zone with grenades. It's a cool concept but might need a fix?
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yeah ... reaper grenades rob players and viewers of games such as game 5 (sejong). in my opinion, early game reaper vs queen is boring as fuck to watch and i see no reason why one wouldn't allow further emphasis on the fantastic midgame ... same with HOTS ZvT, matches like INnoVation vs Life that just ended with hellbat timing shreking a 2base muta build after hellbats were brought in to 'spice things up'.
i just don't understand why we're getting these early games when midgame is so great to play and watch. quick games can be 'fun' and 'belong in a series' but it could've been so much more. imo we're not in a hurry to finish up a series quickly, so i wish games like Frozen temple and Frost could've been replaced with more than what they are today. hoping someone understands what i mean because it's a bit tricky - reapers simply scale too well and don't become irrelevant quickly enough, or they're just flat out too slippery and strong, even dark setting up surrounds didn't do anything because reaper explosion just destroys lings ...
i'm so happy about aegwynns comment here because i feel rather strongly about the same topic both as a viewer and player
I felt same, and even in Korean community, people said reaper build ruined the final. I actually predicted no terran can beat Dark in bo5 or 7 but oh wait, when you can't beat Dark with 2 medivac timing, you still can use 3 rax reaper build to make him start economically poor and beat him with mass bios in the mid-game. If you give those reaper grenades to someone insane micro player like ByuN, then it is almost impossible for zerg to outplay it totally...
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It's sort of problematic, but I do not think it's game-breaking. Reapers are sort of mandatory though, due to their strength in scouting and against slowlings.
However, I thought it was great. It was just like watching Mvp do his risky plays with proxies and stuff. The players make the builds and units look imba just because they handle it so well. Byun has probably the best reaper control in the world, and he knows how to pull it out.
However, I'd be okay with reapers getting reworked SO LONG AS... Ultras stop being such a dumb end-game unit. That is the most anti-fun unit ever.
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