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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar |
On February 02 2016 11:01 nighcol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 10:34 EngrishTeacher wrote:
We bandwagon because the thread is always at the top of the SC2 general section, but honestly, who gives a fuck. Just how many spectators are such hardcore fans that to them, Life = SC2? Most of us will go on watching and playing. Yeah, I've never been worried about the foreign scene shifting away because of matchfixing. My worries are more about the Korean scene based on how much the SavioR incident has been blamed for the death of BW. Even there I guess the main problem was sponsors walking away.
I didnt know that bw died in 2008 lol
I am pretty sure it peaked in 2010-11
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On February 02 2016 17:51 shenlong wrote:
I really hope they don't punish Life too badly, he is still a kid.
I hope they throw the book at him, he's old enough to know better and there was a very strong precedent set by Savior. Life was at the top of the scene and was still greedy enough to jeopardize the livelihoods of everyone involved for some quick cash. Not to mention shitting all over his fans. Glad they're still investigating anyway, I'm certain there's more of these dirtbags still in the system.
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On February 02 2016 20:12 lastride wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 11:01 nighcol wrote:
Yeah, I've never been worried about the foreign scene shifting away because of matchfixing. My worries are more about the Korean scene based on how much the SavioR incident has been blamed for the death of BW. Even there I guess the main problem was sponsors walking away. I didnt know that bw died in 2008 lol I am pretty sure it peaked in 2010-11
A fairly popular narrative seems to be that BW went on a path of inevitable decline because of it, not that it was gone overnight.
That's certainly debatable but never heard anyone say that it peaked as late as 2010-2011.
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On February 02 2016 20:15 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 17:51 shenlong wrote:
I really hope they don't punish Life too badly, he is still a kid. I hope they throw the book at him, he's old enough to know better and there was a very strong precedent set by Savior. Life was at the top of the scene and was still greedy enough to jeopardize the livelihoods of everyone involved for some quick cash. Not to mention shitting all over his fans. Glad they're still investigating anyway, I'm certain there's more of these dirtbags still in the system.
I don't know to what extent Life was familiar with the Brood War scene, since he was only 11-13 when the scandal was the most in the public eye. But I still fancy that there has always been this shadow of Savior over the Starcraft scene and Life must have grown up in that environment. I don't think he can claim ignorance to the potential damage that matchfixing can do to the scene.
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On February 02 2016 20:32 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 20:15 Scarecrow wrote:On February 02 2016 17:51 shenlong wrote:
I really hope they don't punish Life too badly, he is still a kid. I hope they throw the book at him, he's old enough to know better and there was a very strong precedent set by Savior. Life was at the top of the scene and was still greedy enough to jeopardize the livelihoods of everyone involved for some quick cash. Not to mention shitting all over his fans. Glad they're still investigating anyway, I'm certain there's more of these dirtbags still in the system. I don't know to what extent Life was familiar with the Brood War scene, since he was only 11-13 when the scandal was the most in the public eye. But I still fancy that there has always been this shadow of Savior over the Starcraft scene and Life must have grown up in that environment. I don't think he can claim ignorance to the potential damage that matchfixing can do to the scene.
He can't but he shouldn't be punished higher because Savior happened. As if Savior should'n have known
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On February 02 2016 20:15 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 17:51 shenlong wrote:
I really hope they don't punish Life too badly, he is still a kid. I hope they throw the book at him, he's old enough to know better and there was a very strong precedent set by Savior. Life was at the top of the scene and was still greedy enough to jeopardize the livelihoods of everyone involved for some quick cash. Not to mention shitting all over his fans. Glad they're still investigating anyway, I'm certain there's more of these dirtbags still in the system.
Purely from a legal perspactive: Is he?
Assuming his management at the time was involved (which I'd assume it was), can he be held responsonsible for this kind of stuff (again, purely from a legal perspective)? He was an underage child at the time afterall.
If he's guilty, he fucked up, no doubt about it, it's morally wrong etc.. But as far as I'm concerned, at least in our legal system, legally, the case wouldn't be as clear cut, simply because he was underage at the time.
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On February 02 2016 04:37 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 21:30 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 01 2016 16:20 Rekrul wrote:
why scapegoat the famous one and let all the other ones slide Please don't tell me there is bigger than Life involved. Do you know for sure and can't tell or do you just go by rumors ? (cause i don't know if you have the connexions as before). How did you get that out of his statement? If anything, Rekrul is saying that (as far as he knows) no other AAA players are in any way implicated. Hence Life, a famous player, serving as scapegoat for all the not so famous ones. I was terrified for INno back when Wolf was making it sound like he knew shit was about to go down... I'm actually way, way less worried now.
Because i'm not a native english speaker and understood the contrary. Thx for clarification.
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On February 02 2016 20:47 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 20:32 Grumbels wrote:On February 02 2016 20:15 Scarecrow wrote:On February 02 2016 17:51 shenlong wrote:
I really hope they don't punish Life too badly, he is still a kid. I hope they throw the book at him, he's old enough to know better and there was a very strong precedent set by Savior. Life was at the top of the scene and was still greedy enough to jeopardize the livelihoods of everyone involved for some quick cash. Not to mention shitting all over his fans. Glad they're still investigating anyway, I'm certain there's more of these dirtbags still in the system. I don't know to what extent Life was familiar with the Brood War scene, since he was only 11-13 when the scandal was the most in the public eye. But I still fancy that there has always been this shadow of Savior over the Starcraft scene and Life must have grown up in that environment. I don't think he can claim ignorance to the potential damage that matchfixing can do to the scene. He can't but he shouldn't be punished higher because Savior happened. As if Savior should'n have known
Well he can't be punished hier IF HE IS CONVICTED WHICH IS NOT SURE because SaviOr did take part of organising matchfixing. It's a lot worse than matchfixing.
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On February 02 2016 21:04 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 20:47 Penev wrote:On February 02 2016 20:32 Grumbels wrote:On February 02 2016 20:15 Scarecrow wrote:On February 02 2016 17:51 shenlong wrote:
I really hope they don't punish Life too badly, he is still a kid. I hope they throw the book at him, he's old enough to know better and there was a very strong precedent set by Savior. Life was at the top of the scene and was still greedy enough to jeopardize the livelihoods of everyone involved for some quick cash. Not to mention shitting all over his fans. Glad they're still investigating anyway, I'm certain there's more of these dirtbags still in the system. I don't know to what extent Life was familiar with the Brood War scene, since he was only 11-13 when the scandal was the most in the public eye. But I still fancy that there has always been this shadow of Savior over the Starcraft scene and Life must have grown up in that environment. I don't think he can claim ignorance to the potential damage that matchfixing can do to the scene. He can't but he shouldn't be punished higher because Savior happened. As if Savior should'n have known Well he can't be punished hier IF HE IS CONVICTED WHICH IS NOT SURE because SaviOr did take part of organising matchfixing. It's a lot worse than matchfixing.
That too.
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On February 02 2016 20:15 nighcol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 20:12 lastride wrote:On February 02 2016 11:01 nighcol wrote:
Yeah, I've never been worried about the foreign scene shifting away because of matchfixing. My worries are more about the Korean scene based on how much the SavioR incident has been blamed for the death of BW. Even there I guess the main problem was sponsors walking away. I didnt know that bw died in 2008 lol I am pretty sure it peaked in 2010-11 A fairly popular narrative seems to be that BW went on a path of inevitable decline because of it, not that it was gone overnight. That's certainly debatable but never heard anyone say that it peaked as late as 2010-2011.
Yeah. If anything, 2010-2012 was the absolute worst period for BW and Korean esports scene.
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i hope there will be some solid news soon about life's future / his code a match upcoming on friday
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now i know how forgg won over life.
j/k
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On February 02 2016 21:33 Malgo wrote:
i hope there will be some solid news soon about life's future / his code a match upcoming on friday
hope there is good ping in korean jail
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On February 02 2016 20:47 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 20:32 Grumbels wrote:On February 02 2016 20:15 Scarecrow wrote:On February 02 2016 17:51 shenlong wrote:
I really hope they don't punish Life too badly, he is still a kid. I hope they throw the book at him, he's old enough to know better and there was a very strong precedent set by Savior. Life was at the top of the scene and was still greedy enough to jeopardize the livelihoods of everyone involved for some quick cash. Not to mention shitting all over his fans. Glad they're still investigating anyway, I'm certain there's more of these dirtbags still in the system. I don't know to what extent Life was familiar with the Brood War scene, since he was only 11-13 when the scandal was the most in the public eye. But I still fancy that there has always been this shadow of Savior over the Starcraft scene and Life must have grown up in that environment. I don't think he can claim ignorance to the potential damage that matchfixing can do to the scene. He can't but he shouldn't be punished higher because Savior happened. As if Savior should'n have known
Well, a curt will deside what punishment is the right one. There are factors speaking for lower punishment of life as there can be (we dont know the details) factors for harder punishments. In the end, it is matchfixing, not paralysing someone. I guess he gets 2-3 years on probation, gambling therapy, alot of hours of civil work and on top KESPA will ban him forever and a day and vanish his won medals, at least as far as they can.
After all of this, he will join the army, have a harder time then the other progamers and live his life. Not that much succesfully, because his name will be forever connectect with this, but also not that terrible.
Even if a curt says he was either innocent or only minor guilty due to being abused by others or threadend, he is still a burned name. That damage will not go away anymore.
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On February 02 2016 20:12 lastride wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 11:01 nighcol wrote:On February 02 2016 10:34 EngrishTeacher wrote:
We bandwagon because the thread is always at the top of the SC2 general section, but honestly, who gives a fuck. Just how many spectators are such hardcore fans that to them, Life = SC2? Most of us will go on watching and playing. Yeah, I've never been worried about the foreign scene shifting away because of matchfixing. My worries are more about the Korean scene based on how much the SavioR incident has been blamed for the death of BW. Even there I guess the main problem was sponsors walking away. I didnt know that bw died in 2008 lol I am pretty sure it peaked in 2010-11
It certainly peaked in 2004 or 2005.
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There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife
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On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife
You can't be real? As a person actually playing this game it's hard for me to understand this reasoning. It's like never touching water anymore because Armstrong used drugs.
I'll leave in silence the pleas of already clearing a not yet convicted matchfixer.
Given that it's your first post I can only take it as bait of some sort...
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On February 03 2016 00:21 aQuaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife You can't be real? As a person actually playing this game it's hard for me to understand this reasoning. It's like never touching water anymore because Armstrong used drugs. I'll leave in silence the pleas of already clearing a not yet convicted matchfixer. Given that it's your first post I can only take it as bait of some sort...
what do you mean? I think he has a fair point. In the end he made ONE (admittedly very dumb) mistake. Still he brought life (no pun intended) to the whole SC2 world by playing and WINNING (so not fixing) in my eyes many of the most exiting game series in the whole world.
Why should we forget what a great player he was? Why should we measure him by just this one case he obviously failed? He will get punished for this and it's already hard enough for him, so at least players who liked him can stand by him and praise the glory he brought to the scene anyways.
No need to burn Life at the stake for this one misconduct!
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On February 03 2016 00:32 africola wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 00:21 aQuaSC wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife You can't be real? As a person actually playing this game it's hard for me to understand this reasoning. It's like never touching water anymore because Armstrong used drugs. I'll leave in silence the pleas of already clearing a not yet convicted matchfixer. Given that it's your first post I can only take it as bait of some sort... what do you mean? I think he has a fair point. In the end he made ONE (admittedly very dumb) mistake. Still he brought life (no pun intended) to the whole SC2 world by playing and WINNING (so not fixing) in my eyes many of the most exiting game series in the whole world. Why should we forget what a great player he was? Why should we measure him by just this one case he obviously failed? He will get punished for this and it's already hard enough for him, so at least players who liked him can stand by him and praise the glory he brought to the scene anyways. No need to burn Life at the stake for this one misconduct!
I never said that Life is not a great player.
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game
This is something I don't understand, I mean if you're only interested in people playing the game - then maybe there is some sense to it
EDIT: What his mistake does is putting Korean professional scene in question for future sponsor support and such. It's not him who's going to be hurt the most.
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On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife
ONE MORE FUCKING TIME !
Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening.
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