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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar |
You know what I want to figure out? Why Life, in anticipation of this arrest, asked to be traded (if that actually is what happened) from KT to Afreeca.
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On February 02 2016 08:35 guitarizt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 08:20 Gwavajuice wrote:
I'm really curious about how the whole thing take place, how and when was he approached, was his entourage involved, what was deal, was the pressure strong, was he just being "suicidal" about his career, was he fed up with the game and progaming in general, ...
I mean it can't have just gone Anakin style ("come to the dark side"/"No"/"I said come to the dark side!!!"/"oh, ok then") On one hand I think he'd be crazy not to match fix. Playing sc2 is a thankless job for no money. He could have just been burnt out and wanted some guaranteed money. It's tough to kill yourself practicing for such a small chance to win a tournament. Plus someone else mentioned MC said that people threatened him to fix matches. If that is true, that would change things imo.
I'm wondering if pro players are treating each day playing as people going to job they don't like. Or maybe they are imprisoned in their team houses? While your statement seems a bit outrageous to me, let's not forget that people are just people... some would easily use the situation for their own profit, some would not. Maybe he was forced as you say. We don't know yet.
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On February 02 2016 07:08 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 06:50 SirKibbleX wrote:On February 02 2016 06:38 pr1de wrote:On February 02 2016 05:41 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On February 02 2016 05:13 pr1de wrote:
So sad to read in the comments that people stop with starcraft just because a player proberly matchfixed some games.
Why now? Its happend in the past as well right?
What has that to do with this? Its your problem, i will continue to watch the FAIR players. Hopefully the community gets better without the crybabies around. Seriously fuck yourself dude. You made an account like 2 days ago and have posted nothing but a gambling rumor that you made up and how shitty this community is. If you don't like this place or the emotions that we have for one of the faces of the game, leave. User was warned for this post Proberly just a spectator and doesnt even play the game at all. As if this somehow is any solace to some of us old guard. I have been watching and playing BW on and off for over a decade now. At the end of the day, if we want our game to be taken seriously, and to continue to thrive in a meaningful way, you have to be able to attract spectators. Spectators keep the lights on. Spectators pay the bills. Without the spectators there are no televised matches, there is no money for websites like this one. Without them, there is no money for 'pro gamers'. So, sure, you can keep playing the game competitively. Nothing will ever kill SC2 just like nothing has yet killed competitive bowling, competitive archery, competitive contract bridge, competitive boxing, or competitive wrestling. But the whole notion of 'pro-gaming' depends on spectators watching, cheering, and supporting the players in one form or another. If you are implying spectators are more important than player base, I gotta disagree. I don't watch any games I don't play. There can be a game with a lot of players and no spectators, but there can't be a game with a lot of spectators and no players. E-sports evolve from players bases, not out of thin air. Maybe I just don't get it and there are people who spend hours watching games they never played. Seems far fetched to me, especially in e-sports. All my friends that stopped playing no longer watch either unless I tell them to tune into finals or something.
Totally anecdotal, but I haven't played a game of SC2 since the end of WoL (and even then I was totally casual). I don't watch very much lately, but from 2011-2014 I watched pretty religiously.
I'm probably the exception, but playing actually got me watching and then I pretty much stopped playing and just watched instead.
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On February 02 2016 08:41 aQuaSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 08:35 guitarizt wrote:On February 02 2016 08:20 Gwavajuice wrote:
I'm really curious about how the whole thing take place, how and when was he approached, was his entourage involved, what was deal, was the pressure strong, was he just being "suicidal" about his career, was he fed up with the game and progaming in general, ...
I mean it can't have just gone Anakin style ("come to the dark side"/"No"/"I said come to the dark side!!!"/"oh, ok then") On one hand I think he'd be crazy not to match fix. Playing sc2 is a thankless job for no money. He could have just been burnt out and wanted some guaranteed money. It's tough to kill yourself practicing for such a small chance to win a tournament. Plus someone else mentioned MC said that people threatened him to fix matches. If that is true, that would change things imo. I'm wondering if pro players are treating each day playing as people going to job they don't like. Or maybe they are imprisoned in their team houses? While your statement seems a bit outrageous to me, let's not forget that people are just people... some would easily use the situation for their own profit, some would not. Maybe he was forced as you say. We don't know yet.
Where did MC say he was threatened? The only coercion I remember is that Yoda was blackmailed into continuing after he threw his first game, which I think MC commented on. Possible guitarizt is mixing the two together?
On February 02 2016 08:41 Circumstance wrote:
You know what I want to figure out? Why Life, in anticipation of this arrest, asked to be traded (if that actually is what happened) from KT to Afreeca.
This has been nagging me too. Minor detail in the grand scheme, but it just seems like there's more to this huh?
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On February 02 2016 08:41 Circumstance wrote:
You know what I want to figure out? Why Life, in anticipation of this arrest, asked to be traded (if that actually is what happened) from KT to Afreeca.
Is there any proof he knew he was about to be arrested?
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On February 02 2016 08:50 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 08:41 Circumstance wrote:
You know what I want to figure out? Why Life, in anticipation of this arrest, asked to be traded (if that actually is what happened) from KT to Afreeca. Is there any proof he knew he was about to be arrested?
No, but it is quite the coincidence. I'm intrigued by it as well.
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On February 02 2016 07:51 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 07:08 TRaFFiC wrote:On February 02 2016 06:50 SirKibbleX wrote:On February 02 2016 06:38 pr1de wrote:On February 02 2016 05:41 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On February 02 2016 05:13 pr1de wrote:
So sad to read in the comments that people stop with starcraft just because a player proberly matchfixed some games.
Why now? Its happend in the past as well right?
What has that to do with this? Its your problem, i will continue to watch the FAIR players. Hopefully the community gets better without the crybabies around. Seriously fuck yourself dude. You made an account like 2 days ago and have posted nothing but a gambling rumor that you made up and how shitty this community is. If you don't like this place or the emotions that we have for one of the faces of the game, leave. User was warned for this post Proberly just a spectator and doesnt even play the game at all. As if this somehow is any solace to some of us old guard. I have been watching and playing BW on and off for over a decade now. At the end of the day, if we want our game to be taken seriously, and to continue to thrive in a meaningful way, you have to be able to attract spectators. Spectators keep the lights on. Spectators pay the bills. Without the spectators there are no televised matches, there is no money for websites like this one. Without them, there is no money for 'pro gamers'. So, sure, you can keep playing the game competitively. Nothing will ever kill SC2 just like nothing has yet killed competitive bowling, competitive archery, competitive contract bridge, competitive boxing, or competitive wrestling. But the whole notion of 'pro-gaming' depends on spectators watching, cheering, and supporting the players in one form or another. If you are implying spectators are more important than player base, I gotta disagree. I don't watch any games I don't play. There can be a game with a lot of players and no spectators, but there can't be a game with a lot of spectators and no players. E-sports evolve from players bases, not out of thin air. Maybe I just don't get it and there are people who spend hours watching games they never played. Seems far fetched to me, especially in e-sports. All my friends that stopped playing no longer watch either unless I tell them to tune into finals or something. I played zero SC2 between 2011 and 2015, watched from 2013 to now religiously. Started playing again a couple of months ago. I'm not saying all people are like me, obviously, but at least some are. It is possible to have game with more watchers than players.
For me i meant, that people complain alot about the game being dead, and or they stop with watching sc2. So i thought why stop play sc2 if you like it so much?
And if you a spectator, so am i as well as a player, then i would still watch. I find it crazy, but also understandable, but in the end when time passes, i hope those people who stop because of a few players in the past, will come back
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On February 02 2016 08:47 Cowboy64 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 07:08 TRaFFiC wrote:On February 02 2016 06:50 SirKibbleX wrote:On February 02 2016 06:38 pr1de wrote:On February 02 2016 05:41 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On February 02 2016 05:13 pr1de wrote:
So sad to read in the comments that people stop with starcraft just because a player proberly matchfixed some games.
Why now? Its happend in the past as well right?
What has that to do with this? Its your problem, i will continue to watch the FAIR players. Hopefully the community gets better without the crybabies around. Seriously fuck yourself dude. You made an account like 2 days ago and have posted nothing but a gambling rumor that you made up and how shitty this community is. If you don't like this place or the emotions that we have for one of the faces of the game, leave. User was warned for this post Proberly just a spectator and doesnt even play the game at all. As if this somehow is any solace to some of us old guard. I have been watching and playing BW on and off for over a decade now. At the end of the day, if we want our game to be taken seriously, and to continue to thrive in a meaningful way, you have to be able to attract spectators. Spectators keep the lights on. Spectators pay the bills. Without the spectators there are no televised matches, there is no money for websites like this one. Without them, there is no money for 'pro gamers'. So, sure, you can keep playing the game competitively. Nothing will ever kill SC2 just like nothing has yet killed competitive bowling, competitive archery, competitive contract bridge, competitive boxing, or competitive wrestling. But the whole notion of 'pro-gaming' depends on spectators watching, cheering, and supporting the players in one form or another. If you are implying spectators are more important than player base, I gotta disagree. I don't watch any games I don't play. There can be a game with a lot of players and no spectators, but there can't be a game with a lot of spectators and no players. E-sports evolve from players bases, not out of thin air. Maybe I just don't get it and there are people who spend hours watching games they never played. Seems far fetched to me, especially in e-sports. All my friends that stopped playing no longer watch either unless I tell them to tune into finals or something. Totally anecdotal, but I haven't played a game of SC2 since the end of WoL (and even then I was totally casual). I don't watch very much lately, but from 2011-2014 I watched pretty religiously. I'm probably the exception, but playing actually got me watching and then I pretty much stopped playing and just watched instead.
Honestly, I'm beginning to believe that much of the "casual/spectator" (whatever you wanna call it) base was introduced to Starcraft through WOL, and like you, stop playing when spectating became more interesting.
However, i think over the course of HOTS and LOTV, the game way less casual/spectator and more of the hard core crowd. The skill ceiling has risen with each iteration (I suppose you could argue about HOTS bc swarm host.)
All speculation though.
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I mean, so many negative shit on sc2 in these threads, all because of ONE player being proberly shady.
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On February 02 2016 08:58 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 08:50 chipmonklord17 wrote:On February 02 2016 08:41 Circumstance wrote:
You know what I want to figure out? Why Life, in anticipation of this arrest, asked to be traded (if that actually is what happened) from KT to Afreeca. Is there any proof he knew he was about to be arrested? No, but it is quite the coincidence. I'm intrigued by it as well.
I wanna know why he asked for the transfer too. But I don't think he did it because he knew he was going to be arrested, it's not like he wins something by switching teams...
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On February 02 2016 08:47 Cowboy64 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 07:08 TRaFFiC wrote:On February 02 2016 06:50 SirKibbleX wrote:On February 02 2016 06:38 pr1de wrote:On February 02 2016 05:41 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On February 02 2016 05:13 pr1de wrote:
So sad to read in the comments that people stop with starcraft just because a player proberly matchfixed some games.
Why now? Its happend in the past as well right?
What has that to do with this? Its your problem, i will continue to watch the FAIR players. Hopefully the community gets better without the crybabies around. Seriously fuck yourself dude. You made an account like 2 days ago and have posted nothing but a gambling rumor that you made up and how shitty this community is. If you don't like this place or the emotions that we have for one of the faces of the game, leave. User was warned for this post Proberly just a spectator and doesnt even play the game at all. As if this somehow is any solace to some of us old guard. I have been watching and playing BW on and off for over a decade now. At the end of the day, if we want our game to be taken seriously, and to continue to thrive in a meaningful way, you have to be able to attract spectators. Spectators keep the lights on. Spectators pay the bills. Without the spectators there are no televised matches, there is no money for websites like this one. Without them, there is no money for 'pro gamers'. So, sure, you can keep playing the game competitively. Nothing will ever kill SC2 just like nothing has yet killed competitive bowling, competitive archery, competitive contract bridge, competitive boxing, or competitive wrestling. But the whole notion of 'pro-gaming' depends on spectators watching, cheering, and supporting the players in one form or another. If you are implying spectators are more important than player base, I gotta disagree. I don't watch any games I don't play. There can be a game with a lot of players and no spectators, but there can't be a game with a lot of spectators and no players. E-sports evolve from players bases, not out of thin air. Maybe I just don't get it and there are people who spend hours watching games they never played. Seems far fetched to me, especially in e-sports. All my friends that stopped playing no longer watch either unless I tell them to tune into finals or something. Totally anecdotal, but I haven't played a game of SC2 since the end of WoL (and even then I was totally casual). I don't watch very much lately, but from 2011-2014 I watched pretty religiously. I'm probably the exception, but playing actually got me watching and then I pretty much stopped playing and just watched instead.
I think that is most of the people watching. People who know what sc2 is, but dont want to spend time learning it again, but they love to watch.
I stopped playing also, i played BW i started again with hots.
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On February 02 2016 09:00 pr1de wrote:
I mean, so many negative shit on sc2 in these threads, all because of ONE player being proberly shady.
The THIRD player to be implicated within 6 months, with no guarantee there aren't more coming
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On February 02 2016 08:47 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 08:41 Circumstance wrote:
You know what I want to figure out? Why Life, in anticipation of this arrest, asked to be traded (if that actually is what happened) from KT to Afreeca. This has been nagging me too. Minor detail in the grand scheme, but it just seems like there's more to this huh?
Where is this info from that Life requested it? In the old thread about the trade the original version was that Afreeca had initiated it because they needed an ace and I tried looking through the thread but there was no references later, just talk of Life was the initiator on the last page.
In any case it doesn't have to have anything to do with the arrest itself or even matchfixing... You usually don't know in advance when you're getting arrested, right?
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On February 02 2016 09:04 Silvana wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 08:58 Penev wrote:On February 02 2016 08:50 chipmonklord17 wrote:On February 02 2016 08:41 Circumstance wrote:
You know what I want to figure out? Why Life, in anticipation of this arrest, asked to be traded (if that actually is what happened) from KT to Afreeca. Is there any proof he knew he was about to be arrested? No, but it is quite the coincidence. I'm intrigued by it as well. I wanna know why he asked for the transfer too. But I don't think he did it because he knew he was going to be arrested, it's not like he wins something by switching teams...
My theory: KT didn't want him on their team when the news broke, and Afreeca did them a favor.
Life "asked for the transfer himself " with KT looming directly over his shoulder and everyone agreed on what the story would be.
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On February 02 2016 08:58 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 08:50 chipmonklord17 wrote:On February 02 2016 08:41 Circumstance wrote:
You know what I want to figure out? Why Life, in anticipation of this arrest, asked to be traded (if that actually is what happened) from KT to Afreeca. Is there any proof he knew he was about to be arrested? No, but it is quite the coincidence. I'm intrigued by it as well.
I mean its not really that farfetched to be a coincidence. Afreeca didn't have a super ace and would suffer for that and ST and KT have already done trades in the past.
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On February 02 2016 08:16 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 08:05 MaCRo.gg wrote:On February 02 2016 07:51 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 02 2016 07:08 TRaFFiC wrote:On February 02 2016 06:50 SirKibbleX wrote:On February 02 2016 06:38 pr1de wrote:On February 02 2016 05:41 ohmylanta1003 wrote:On February 02 2016 05:13 pr1de wrote:
So sad to read in the comments that people stop with starcraft just because a player proberly matchfixed some games.
Why now? Its happend in the past as well right?
What has that to do with this? Its your problem, i will continue to watch the FAIR players. Hopefully the community gets better without the crybabies around. Seriously fuck yourself dude. You made an account like 2 days ago and have posted nothing but a gambling rumor that you made up and how shitty this community is. If you don't like this place or the emotions that we have for one of the faces of the game, leave. User was warned for this post Proberly just a spectator and doesnt even play the game at all. As if this somehow is any solace to some of us old guard. I have been watching and playing BW on and off for over a decade now. At the end of the day, if we want our game to be taken seriously, and to continue to thrive in a meaningful way, you have to be able to attract spectators. Spectators keep the lights on. Spectators pay the bills. Without the spectators there are no televised matches, there is no money for websites like this one. Without them, there is no money for 'pro gamers'. So, sure, you can keep playing the game competitively. Nothing will ever kill SC2 just like nothing has yet killed competitive bowling, competitive archery, competitive contract bridge, competitive boxing, or competitive wrestling. But the whole notion of 'pro-gaming' depends on spectators watching, cheering, and supporting the players in one form or another. If you are implying spectators are more important than player base, I gotta disagree. I don't watch any games I don't play. There can be a game with a lot of players and no spectators, but there can't be a game with a lot of spectators and no players. E-sports evolve from players bases, not out of thin air. Maybe I just don't get it and there are people who spend hours watching games they never played. Seems far fetched to me, especially in e-sports. All my friends that stopped playing no longer watch either unless I tell them to tune into finals or something. I played zero SC2 between 2011 and 2015, watched from 2013 to now religiously. Started playing again a couple of months ago. I'm not saying all people are like me, obviously, but at least some are. It is possible to have game with more watchers than players. No disrespect but doesn't that make you a player still? Even if you don't actively play currently, if you played the game before around 1 year I'm assuming because it was released in 2010 if I remember correctly. If you are talking about active players, there is no discussion about it majority of televised sports have way more viewers than active players, maybe with the exception of golf. However, if you consider how many of those viewers are viewers because they played the game when they were younger I think you will find more former/active players than viewers in most cases. alot of people follow sports they themself have not played, I know of a few friends who now follow fotball but never played it
Alot of people don't follow sports they played as well. I believe the latter would outweigh the former.
Considering how many people played a sport just by any sort of break period, gym class, or organized by schools you would be hard pressed to find any male or female in America that hasn't participated in a casual game of basketball, touch football(football), soccer, floor hockey (hockey), and kickball (imo baseball). Those sports organizations NBA, NFL, MLS, NHL, and MLB are so successful in America because of the familiarity of the game to those consumers.
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How long can they hold him, will they eventually post bail? It seems like he's been held a long time!
Also yeah the transfer to afreeca seems quite the coincidence, my pet theory is the coach's/team strongly suspected something was up and he asked for a transfer only for the house of Cards to fall around him. But who knows?! I hope he's innocent, until we find out more info tho from official sources our brain festers
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i wonder if he'll publicly apologize like previous matchfixers
and if he'll show he means it
also whether he will be fined (and how much) and/or given public service hours to complete
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On February 02 2016 09:07 nighcol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2016 08:47 Wuster wrote:On February 02 2016 08:41 Circumstance wrote:
You know what I want to figure out? Why Life, in anticipation of this arrest, asked to be traded (if that actually is what happened) from KT to Afreeca. This has been nagging me too. Minor detail in the grand scheme, but it just seems like there's more to this huh? Where is this info from that Life requested it? In the old thread about the trade the original version was that Afreeca had initiated it because they needed an ace and I tried looking through the thread but there was no references later, just talk of Life was the initiator on the last page. In any case it doesn't have to have anything to do with the arrest itself or even matchfixing... You usually don't know in advance when you're getting arrested, right?
It was mentioned in the Life detained thread (that neither team knew anything about Life's impending arrest and that they did the trade on his request). I don't know if it was something Kespa said or something the teams said. So I guess you could take it with a grain of salt.
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On February 02 2016 09:41 MifuneKinski wrote:
How long can they hold him, will they eventually post bail? It seems like he's been held a long time!
Also yeah the transfer to afreeca seems quite the coincidence, my pet theory is the coach's/team strongly suspected something was up and he asked for a transfer only for the house of Cards to fall around him. But who knows?! I hope he's innocent, until we find out more info tho from official sources our brain festers
This says during investigation it's 48 hours without a detention warrant, 10 days with one and the prosecution can seek an extension of 10 days. More than that requires them to file an indictment and if they do you could be detained until the first trial (apparently typically 2-4 weeks but no guarantees): http://travel.gc.ca/travelling/advisories/korea-south/criminal-law-system
So I guess after 20 days we should know if criminal charges are raised against him.
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