On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote: Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed.
On February 02 2016 03:45 Shield wrote: Are you guys stupid? Since when does SC2 rely on one person? Fine, Life committed a crime and is probably going to jail. How does that stop you from playing the game? Stop being babies and enjoy the game.
Edit: Let me tell you that crimes happen every day. That's not a reason we should quit A, B or C.
Did you know that professional wrestling used to be an actual bonafide competitive sport in the US?
How do you think it ended up the way it is now? Because match-fixing turned the competitive integrity into a joke and Vince McMahon decided to embrace the show aspect because the sport was beyond rehabilitation.
That's what people are worried about here. It has nothing to do with playing the game or enjoying it, but whether or not people can trust what their watching anymore.
when was professional wrestling a legitimate competitive sport? they acted like it was one but Im pretty sure going back at least to the 40s it was still all scripted and arranged by a booker
On February 01 2016 16:20 Rekrul wrote: why scapegoat the famous one and let all the other ones slide
Please don't tell me there is bigger than Life involved.
Do you know for sure and can't tell or do you just go by rumors ? (cause i don't know if you have the connexions as before).
How did you get that out of his statement? If anything, Rekrul is saying that (as far as he knows) no other AAA players are in any way implicated. Hence Life, a famous player, serving as scapegoat for all the not so famous ones.
I was terrified for INno back when Wolf was making it sound like he knew shit was about to go down... I'm actually way, way less worried now.
What was the incidence with Wolf? I hear people mentioning him, what happened?
Right after Yoda and B4 were implicated, Wolf tweeted something like "get ready guys hard times are ahead for SC2 fans." Basically it sounded like he knew more people were implicated, everybody started losing their minds, but as we all know no one was until Life right now. And later that day Wolf did a podcast where he said he accidentally made it seem like he knew things he didn't.
Thanks. And I gather he mentioned innovation, then? Did he say anything about his sources, and did he mention life?
He didn't mention *anybody* at all.
Which is why most people don't remember because once the podcast started he basically talked vaguely (drunkenly?) and ended up not naming any names because it would have all been speculation even if he believed in the list he was given.
@Karis Vas Ryaar - from what I've read it started off competitive during the touring / barnstorming days, but no one's entirely sure when they decided to script fights. So like you said, the 40's at least. Later, the WWE was the first major organization to stop pretending they were real fights iirc.
On February 01 2016 16:20 Rekrul wrote: why scapegoat the famous one and let all the other ones slide
Please don't tell me there is bigger than Life involved.
Do you know for sure and can't tell or do you just go by rumors ? (cause i don't know if you have the connexions as before).
How did you get that out of his statement? If anything, Rekrul is saying that (as far as he knows) no other AAA players are in any way implicated. Hence Life, a famous player, serving as scapegoat for all the not so famous ones.
I was terrified for INno back when Wolf was making it sound like he knew shit was about to go down... I'm actually way, way less worried now.
What was the incidence with Wolf? I hear people mentioning him, what happened?
Right after Yoda and B4 were implicated, Wolf tweeted something like "get ready guys hard times are ahead for SC2 fans." Basically it sounded like he knew more people were implicated, everybody started losing their minds, but as we all know no one was until Life right now. And later that day Wolf did a podcast where he said he accidentally made it seem like he knew things he didn't.
Thanks. And I gather he mentioned innovation, then? Did he say anything about his sources, and did he mention life?
As Wuster said, no names, just a vague hint of dread. So everyone jumped to worst conclusions, eg which names would cause the must suffering to fans, and since there were suspicions about an INno game and a Soulkey game, those were two of the ones people thought Wolf might know about.
So sad to read in the comments that people stop with starcraft just because a player proberly matchfixed some games. Why now? Its happend in the past as well right?
What has that to do with this? Its your problem, i will continue to watch the FAIR players. Hopefully the community gets better without the crybabies around.
I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
On February 02 2016 05:18 Popkiller wrote: I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
Yes, him and Soulkey were both involved in voided bets. MKP was famously involved in one too, but the KeSPa investigation didn't find anything. Of course LIfe was involved in one too...
I posted this in the other thread, but still worth a read: an article on 538 about the string of voided Tennis bets and match fixing allegations there last month:
Some of the reasons apply to SC2 as well, especially the part about inaccurate initial lines.
It also links to a story about the Davydenko case where I found it interesting that professional gamblers didn't know for sure the match was fixed, but strongly suspected it to the point that they were willing to bet at insanely unfavorable odds anyways (further skewing the odds of course).
On February 02 2016 05:18 Popkiller wrote: I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
Forgive my ignorance on the topic but what prevents Pinnacle from just voiding bets if they stand to lose a substantial amount of money on the transaction under the guise of "suspicious activity?"
On February 02 2016 05:18 Popkiller wrote: I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
Forgive my ignorance on the topic but what prevents Pinnacle from just voiding bets if they stand to lose a substantial amount of money on the transaction under the guise of "suspicious activity?"
I think they don't pay on their own. The pay the winners with the losers money.
On February 02 2016 05:13 pr1de wrote: So sad to read in the comments that people stop with starcraft just because a player proberly matchfixed some games. Why now? Its happend in the past as well right?
What has that to do with this? Its your problem, i will continue to watch the FAIR players. Hopefully the community gets better without the crybabies around.
Seriously? Fuck yourself bruh. You made an account like 2 days ago and have posted nothing but a gambling rumor that you made up and how shitty this community is. If you don't like this place or the emotions that we have for one of the faces of the game, leave.
On February 02 2016 05:16 Frankenberry wrote: This is so sad and terrible Life is my all time favorite zerg player. Now I know how brood war fans felt about about Savior
On February 02 2016 05:18 Popkiller wrote: I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
Yes, him and Soulkey were both involved in voided bets. MKP was famously involved in one too, but the KeSPa investigation didn't find anything. Of course LIfe was involved in one too...
I posted this in the other thread, but still worth a read: an article on 538 about the string of voided Tennis bets and match fixing allegations there last month:
Some of the reasons apply to SC2 as well, especially the part about inaccurate initial lines.
It also links to a story about the Davydenko case where I found it interesting that professional gamblers didn't know for sure the match was fixed, but strongly suspected it to the point that they were willing to bet at insanely unfavorable odds anyways (further skewing the odds of course).
Interesting. I didn't recall Life having a bet-voided game. Do you know which one it was?
On February 02 2016 05:18 Popkiller wrote: I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
Yes, him and Soulkey were both involved in voided bets. MKP was famously involved in one too, but the KeSPa investigation didn't find anything. Of course LIfe was involved in one too...
I posted this in the other thread, but still worth a read: an article on 538 about the string of voided Tennis bets and match fixing allegations there last month:
Some of the reasons apply to SC2 as well, especially the part about inaccurate initial lines.
It also links to a story about the Davydenko case where I found it interesting that professional gamblers didn't know for sure the match was fixed, but strongly suspected it to the point that they were willing to bet at insanely unfavorable odds anyways (further skewing the odds of course).
Interesting. I didn't recall Life having a bet-voided game. Do you know which one it was?
On February 02 2016 05:18 Popkiller wrote: I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
Yes, him and Soulkey were both involved in voided bets. MKP was famously involved in one too, but the KeSPa investigation didn't find anything. Of course LIfe was involved in one too...
I posted this in the other thread, but still worth a read: an article on 538 about the string of voided Tennis bets and match fixing allegations there last month:
Some of the reasons apply to SC2 as well, especially the part about inaccurate initial lines.
It also links to a story about the Davydenko case where I found it interesting that professional gamblers didn't know for sure the match was fixed, but strongly suspected it to the point that they were willing to bet at insanely unfavorable odds anyways (further skewing the odds of course).
If I recall correctly there are more than 10 players in total that have had those suspicious results with voided bets, B4 and Yoda were two from that list and some others are in addition to the ones already mentioned. I didn't know Life was one as well.
On February 02 2016 05:18 Popkiller wrote: I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
Yes, him and Soulkey were both involved in voided bets. MKP was famously involved in one too, but the KeSPa investigation didn't find anything. Of course LIfe was involved in one too...
I posted this in the other thread, but still worth a read: an article on 538 about the string of voided Tennis bets and match fixing allegations there last month:
Some of the reasons apply to SC2 as well, especially the part about inaccurate initial lines.
It also links to a story about the Davydenko case where I found it interesting that professional gamblers didn't know for sure the match was fixed, but strongly suspected it to the point that they were willing to bet at insanely unfavorable odds anyways (further skewing the odds of course).
If I recall correctly there are more than 10 players in total that have had those suspicious results with voided bets, B4 and Yoda were two from that list and some others are in addition to the ones already mentioned. I didn't know Life was one as well.
I remember counting 7, and no Life. I made a list once but can't find it
On February 02 2016 05:18 Popkiller wrote: I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
Yes, him and Soulkey were both involved in voided bets. MKP was famously involved in one too, but the KeSPa investigation didn't find anything. Of course LIfe was involved in one too...
I posted this in the other thread, but still worth a read: an article on 538 about the string of voided Tennis bets and match fixing allegations there last month:
Some of the reasons apply to SC2 as well, especially the part about inaccurate initial lines.
It also links to a story about the Davydenko case where I found it interesting that professional gamblers didn't know for sure the match was fixed, but strongly suspected it to the point that they were willing to bet at insanely unfavorable odds anyways (further skewing the odds of course).
If I recall correctly there are more than 10 players in total that have had those suspicious results with voided bets, B4 and Yoda were two from that list and some others are in addition to the ones already mentioned. I didn't know Life was one as well.
When I did a google search to confirm that Life had a voided game, it turns out it was never it's own thread, but something tacked on to another one of the Pinnacle threads. I recall at one point there were 3 or 4 games voided in the same week so they all got lumped into the same thread which is probably why people don't remember.
On February 02 2016 05:18 Popkiller wrote: I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
Yes, him and Soulkey were both involved in voided bets. MKP was famously involved in one too, but the KeSPa investigation didn't find anything. Of course LIfe was involved in one too...
I posted this in the other thread, but still worth a read: an article on 538 about the string of voided Tennis bets and match fixing allegations there last month:
Some of the reasons apply to SC2 as well, especially the part about inaccurate initial lines.
It also links to a story about the Davydenko case where I found it interesting that professional gamblers didn't know for sure the match was fixed, but strongly suspected it to the point that they were willing to bet at insanely unfavorable odds anyways (further skewing the odds of course).
If I recall correctly there are more than 10 players in total that have had those suspicious results with voided bets, B4 and Yoda were two from that list and some others are in addition to the ones already mentioned. I didn't know Life was one as well.
I remember counting 7, and no Life. I made a list once but can't find it
The list I remember was ( I want to make this clear: Not all in this list were accused but were involved in the matches with the voided bets)
MarineKing (Investigated. No Proof found) SoulKey Innovation San Yoda (Proven) B4 (Proven) Life (Arrested) Dark Super Alive Creator ByuL (Was simply involved in the Marineking match) Flash (Was simply involved in a match with voided bets, the fixed match vs B4)
I posted this in the other thread, but still worth a read: an article on 538 about the string of voided Tennis bets and match fixing allegations there last month:
Some of the reasons apply to SC2 as well, especially the part about inaccurate initial lines.
It also links to a story about the Davydenko case where I found it interesting that professional gamblers didn't know for sure the match was fixed, but strongly suspected it to the point that they were willing to bet at insanely unfavorable odds anyways (further skewing the odds of course).
Thanks, interesting article. I got the impression that one difference to those here is that none of the matches they analysed had actually been voided by the bookmaker so I'd imagine the line movements weren't quite as unusual. Of course this varied for the voided SC2 matches also.
On February 02 2016 05:18 Popkiller wrote: I don't think anyone has ever hinted at Inno matchfixing. The only reason he had attention drawn to him was because he had a match (vs Super) where Pinnacle voided bets. A number of other players did, too.
Yes, him and Soulkey were both involved in voided bets. MKP was famously involved in one too, but the KeSPa investigation didn't find anything. Of course LIfe was involved in one too...
I posted this in the other thread, but still worth a read: an article on 538 about the string of voided Tennis bets and match fixing allegations there last month:
Some of the reasons apply to SC2 as well, especially the part about inaccurate initial lines.
It also links to a story about the Davydenko case where I found it interesting that professional gamblers didn't know for sure the match was fixed, but strongly suspected it to the point that they were willing to bet at insanely unfavorable odds anyways (further skewing the odds of course).
If I recall correctly there are more than 10 players in total that have had those suspicious results with voided bets, B4 and Yoda were two from that list and some others are in addition to the ones already mentioned. I didn't know Life was one as well.
I remember counting 7, and no Life. I made a list once but can't find it
The list I remember was ( I want to make this clear: Not all in this list were accused but were involved in the matches with the voided bets)
MarineKing SoulKey Innovation San Yoda (Proven) B4 (Proven) Life (Arrested) Dark Super Alive Creator ByuL Flash (Was simply involved in a match with voided bets, the fixed match vs B4)
Byul was vs MK with MK suspect Super was vs Inno with Inno suspect San was vs Dark with San suspect Soulkey was vs Creator with Soulkey suspect is what I remember. Damn where is that list
EPT
Life is my all time favorite zerg player. Now I know how brood war fans felt about about Savior 
