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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote: Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar | ||
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Penev
28512 Posts
On February 01 2016 21:44 sc2chronic wrote: Life was shocking enough. but + INNOVATION ???? if true i am just going to quit starcraft... As for now there's no legit reason to suspect Innovation, pls calm down people! | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On February 01 2016 21:10 OtherWorld wrote: ah yeah I agree with you on that one I was talking from the POV of the guys who live from the scene, they have more interest in a scene with rampant treachery BUT with still some money flowing than in a scene completely clean but with foreign-level of sponsoring and development. That's basically why pro cycling became what it became ; because people in the scene have more short-term interest in trying to cover up the dirty shit, and humans reason with short-term vision. i was going to use cyclism as a reference then i saw your post something happened recently where the UCI didn't want to investigate on the modified bicycle because it would have hurted agai nthe scene | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary485 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On February 01 2016 21:49 kajtarp wrote: I couldn't watch proleague today. Did Tasteless tell anything about Life? No and it's better for everyone if all the gossip stays contained to community sites. I'd be baffled if anything would be even mentioned about the topic on an official broadcast | ||
Ziggy
South Korea2106 Posts
On February 01 2016 21:49 kajtarp wrote: I couldn't watch proleague today. Did Tasteless tell anything about Life? Nobody's really going to address that on television, but you could clearly see him bogged down over something, I think the Life situation was clearly the reason. | ||
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wawwa
5 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Penev
28512 Posts
On February 01 2016 22:58 boxerfred wrote: Zealously. He didn't really quit did he!? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
I'm pretty sure he's been inactive for a while, or at least not as involved as he was before. | ||
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CyberVoid
Brazil165 Posts
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Daigoro
Germany251 Posts
Still what most disturbes me is the situation of the progamers and the apparent lack of climate where progamers feel they can do something about the brokers that approach them. Those progamers are no boxers who grew up in rough circumstances, they are pretty much hardcore nerds who play, well one computer game for insane hours, starting very early. Most of them strike me as very capable mentally and i am sure they mature somewhat with their public lifestyle, but when confronted with a completely unscrupulous broker - i mean what kind of a guy pushes gifted and naive Kids into their ruin for profit! I would be no doubt scared shitless in front of such a soulless person. There was a compilation of reactions to the Yoda etc incident and Top wrote: TOP: "Ever since about 5 months ago I started getting requests to throw games from a broker, the broker informed me that he's already been hired by a team in proleague. He tempted me with lines like "just fix this one game and you'll be playing more regularly in proleague, earn a ton of money", etc. [..] I've spoken to multiple Korean pros and they've also told me that there was a broker on their ass -- harassing them non stop." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/496949-progamer-industry-reactions-to-match-fixing How is this possible? Kespa should have been scared shitless from this point on, that guy approached multiple players and either a) none of them reported it to their coach or kespa or b) they reported and nothing happened... just reading this you have to believe rather sooner than later a broker will get through to one of the players. We are talking about really talented kids who dont have the guidance of their parents when they move into a progaming house at very early ages... some of that guidance has to be done by coach and support staff. Or at least an atmosphere of trust where player can get protection from organized criminals. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On February 02 2016 01:07 Daigoro wrote: I will try to keep it short - I understand that IF Life did anything he is to be held accountible for his doings. Still what most disturbes me is the situation of the progamers and the apparent lack of climate where progamers feel they can do something about the brokers that approach them. Those progamers are no boxers who grew up in rough circumstances, they are pretty much hardcore nerds who play, well one computer game for insane hours, starting very early. Most of them strike me as very capable mentally and i am sure they mature somewhat with their public lifestyle, but when confronted with a completely unscrupulous broker - i mean what kind of a guy pushes gifted and naive Kids into their ruin for profit! I would be no doubt scared shitless in front of such a soulless person. There was a compilation of reactions to the Yoda etc incident and Top wrote: TOP: "Ever since about 5 months ago I started getting requests to throw games from a broker, the broker informed me that he's already been hired by a team in proleague. He tempted me with lines like "just fix this one game and you'll be playing more regularly in proleague, earn a ton of money", etc. [..] I've spoken to multiple Korean pros and they've also told me that there was a broker on their ass -- harassing them non stop." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/496949-progamer-industry-reactions-to-match-fixing How is this possible? Kespa should have been scared shitless from this point on, that guy approached multiple players and either a) none of them reported it to their coach or kespa or b) they reported and nothing happened... just reading this you have to believe rather sooner than later a broker will get through to one of the players. We are talking about really talented kids who dont have the guidance of their parents when they move into a progaming house at very early ages... some of that guidance has to be done by coach and support staff. Or at least an atmosphere of trust where player can get protection from organized criminals. Kespa and coaches can't do shit. They are not the police. Players needs to contact the police in those cases not Kespa or their team management.. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3508 Posts
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r_gg
141 Posts
On February 02 2016 01:14 Gescom wrote: No, the players should contact their team management and kespa, and those people should be speaking to the police. Team mgmt and Kespa should be trained and have a procedure in place. These players are young, man. They do. But all KESPA can do is direct the requests to the authorities and hope the authorities will sort things out. These brokers are reaching out to players through social media, Facebook, nearby friends, etc. KESPA wants to get rid of these things more than anyone else. | ||
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jume
Germany25 Posts
We might think, that we always can say no, but can we really? You never know wether he got blackmailed or something. I don't punish anyone before I know the full story. From my point of view Life didn't really have a reason for match fixing. I am sad for this guy. | ||
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the.Zane
10 Posts
On February 02 2016 01:07 Daigoro wrote: I will try to keep it short - I understand that IF Life did anything he is to be held accountible for his doings. Still what most disturbes me is the situation of the progamers and the apparent lack of climate where progamers feel they can do something about the brokers that approach them. Those progamers are no boxers who grew up in rough circumstances, they are pretty much hardcore nerds who play, well one computer game for insane hours, starting very early. Most of them strike me as very capable mentally and i am sure they mature somewhat with their public lifestyle, but when confronted with a completely unscrupulous broker - i mean what kind of a guy pushes gifted and naive Kids into their ruin for profit! I would be no doubt scared shitless in front of such a soulless person. There was a compilation of reactions to the Yoda etc incident and Top wrote: TOP: "Ever since about 5 months ago I started getting requests to throw games from a broker, the broker informed me that he's already been hired by a team in proleague. He tempted me with lines like "just fix this one game and you'll be playing more regularly in proleague, earn a ton of money", etc. [..] I've spoken to multiple Korean pros and they've also told me that there was a broker on their ass -- harassing them non stop." http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/496949-progamer-industry-reactions-to-match-fixing How is this possible? Kespa should have been scared shitless from this point on, that guy approached multiple players and either a) none of them reported it to their coach or kespa or b) they reported and nothing happened... just reading this you have to believe rather sooner than later a broker will get through to one of the players. We are talking about really talented kids who dont have the guidance of their parents when they move into a progaming house at very early ages... some of that guidance has to be done by coach and support staff. Or at least an atmosphere of trust where player can get protection from organized criminals. Even more than the temptation involved when offered a lot of money I assume that these brokers also make use of threats, which - especially with the young people progamers usually are - can get to you pretty fast. If you have been living in Korea and know the pressure the kids over there feel from the day they enter elementary school onwards, you might understand why even someone as successfull as life would feel forced to colaborate with such scum that are these brokers. Because like most of you guys, I cannot imagine him doing it for a few thousand dollars only. Whether or not he is innocent from a lawyer's perspective, the real problem are these brokers. Life might have still been underage when he was first approached for all we know... sad story. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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claybones
United States244 Posts
On February 02 2016 01:27 r_gg wrote: They do. But all KESPA can do is direct the requests to the authorities and hope the authorities will sort things out. These brokers are reaching out to players through social media, Facebook, nearby friends, etc. KESPA wants to get rid of these things more than anyone else. Just like you should always have a lawyer present when speaking to the police it seems like a good idea for a young progamer to have a KESPA representative to advise them when speaking to investigators. They're young and in a situation where they could severely screw themselves, an additional experienced perspective is a must if you ask me. | ||
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sc2chronic
United States777 Posts
i dont know how to feel. plz tasteless, TELL ME HOW I SHOULD FEEL. HOW DO I FEEL??????!?? | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
 Edit: Let me tell you that crimes happen every day. That's not a reason we should quit A, B or C. | ||
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