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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar |
On February 01 2016 17:24 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 12:14 Grizvok wrote:On February 01 2016 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:On February 01 2016 11:21 Grizvok wrote:On February 01 2016 11:18 Doodsmack wrote:On February 01 2016 11:01 Grizvok wrote:On February 01 2016 10:55 JackONeill wrote:
So is he just accused, or is it pretty certain from now on that he participated in matchfixing? It depends on your level of intelligence. Are you like the majority of users here it seems and feel the need to keep posting things like "innocent until proven guilty" or some other "this is a misunderstanding" or are you logical and realize there was likely some pretty hard evidence to arrest and charge one of the highest profile players we have. "It depends on your level of intelligence" That is a very dumb statement. Very well thought out post. Great content. It's basically self-evident that your statement was dumb. Accusations or charges of high-profile people do not necessarily mean they're guilty (even if Kespa's official position is that if you're charged with matchfixing then you're banned for life). Except if you read this thread you would see many occasions where people showcase the differences in the legal system in Korea where after an arrest/ being charged you are going to be found guilty 99% of the time because they are that thorough before actually making that move. Are you really so naive to think this is some recent development? I guarantee you the Life investigation and collection of evidence has been going on for some time. So yes logically I can pretty easily say he's guilty and at this point so would anybody with half a brain. That's bullshit. Arrested doesn't mean charged or guilty by any means. Everyone, even with very basic understanding of law, should know this.
I absolutely believe in the "innocent until proven guilty" and think we should wait with judgement.. but doesn't arrested actually mean charged with a crime? That's the difference between being arrested and being administratively detained like you can be in some countries. The police can't just arrest you without charging you. Maybe this is one of the places where my English fails me but that's what I have understood it to be.
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On February 01 2016 18:28 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 17:24 Pr0wler wrote:On February 01 2016 12:14 Grizvok wrote:On February 01 2016 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:On February 01 2016 11:21 Grizvok wrote:On February 01 2016 11:18 Doodsmack wrote:On February 01 2016 11:01 Grizvok wrote:On February 01 2016 10:55 JackONeill wrote:
So is he just accused, or is it pretty certain from now on that he participated in matchfixing? It depends on your level of intelligence. Are you like the majority of users here it seems and feel the need to keep posting things like "innocent until proven guilty" or some other "this is a misunderstanding" or are you logical and realize there was likely some pretty hard evidence to arrest and charge one of the highest profile players we have. "It depends on your level of intelligence" That is a very dumb statement. Very well thought out post. Great content. It's basically self-evident that your statement was dumb. Accusations or charges of high-profile people do not necessarily mean they're guilty (even if Kespa's official position is that if you're charged with matchfixing then you're banned for life). Except if you read this thread you would see many occasions where people showcase the differences in the legal system in Korea where after an arrest/ being charged you are going to be found guilty 99% of the time because they are that thorough before actually making that move. Are you really so naive to think this is some recent development? I guarantee you the Life investigation and collection of evidence has been going on for some time. So yes logically I can pretty easily say he's guilty and at this point so would anybody with half a brain. That's bullshit. Arrested doesn't mean charged or guilty by any means. Everyone, even with very basic understanding of law, should know this. I absolutely believe in the "innocent until proven guilty" and think we should wait with judgement.. but doesn't arrested actually mean charged with a crime? That's the difference between being arrested and being administratively detained like you can be in some countries. The police can't just arrest you without charging you. Maybe this is one of the places where my English fails me but that's what I have understood it to be.
He's been charged but not convicted is the correct terminology I believe.
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On February 01 2016 17:27 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 11:48 Phredxor wrote:On February 01 2016 11:35 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 11:31 NyxNax wrote:On February 01 2016 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
This was probably what Wolf meant. I mustve missed it, did Wolf warn of some impending doom? When the Prime thing broke he did a Twitch session where he said that he'd heard names that would shock people Yeah he said he saw a list or something of names that would be a really big deal.  can we bet on who is next ?
I already saw a name being dropped. :/
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Is the OP up to date. I can't read 500ish posts right now.
We still know nothing ?
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On February 01 2016 18:45 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 17:27 Makro wrote:On February 01 2016 11:48 Phredxor wrote:On February 01 2016 11:35 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 11:31 NyxNax wrote:On February 01 2016 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
This was probably what Wolf meant. I mustve missed it, did Wolf warn of some impending doom? When the Prime thing broke he did a Twitch session where he said that he'd heard names that would shock people Yeah he said he saw a list or something of names that would be a really big deal. can we bet on who is next ? I already saw a name being dropped. :/
innovation?
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On February 01 2016 19:16 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 18:45 Penev wrote:On February 01 2016 17:27 Makro wrote:On February 01 2016 11:48 Phredxor wrote:On February 01 2016 11:35 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 11:31 NyxNax wrote:On February 01 2016 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
This was probably what Wolf meant. I mustve missed it, did Wolf warn of some impending doom? When the Prime thing broke he did a Twitch session where he said that he'd heard names that would shock people Yeah he said he saw a list or something of names that would be a really big deal. can we bet on who is next ? I already saw a name being dropped. :/ innovation?
That's the name I saw being dropped indeed.
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There was suspicious betting for lots of different names earlier, some of them big. I don't think Life was ever one of them. I don't know what to think at this point. Guess we'll have to wait and see if this will be all or not.
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On February 01 2016 11:35 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 11:31 NyxNax wrote:On February 01 2016 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
This was probably what Wolf meant. I mustve missed it, did Wolf warn of some impending doom? When the Prime thing broke he did a Twitch session where he said that he'd heard names that would shock people
Is there a VoD somewhere of this?
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On February 01 2016 18:58 FFW_Rude wrote:
Is the OP up to date. I can't read 500ish posts right now.
We still know nothing ?
Yep. We know... Nothing :-/
Apparently Life + 8 other people (most likely Managers, I'd assume?) got arrested. Dunno of this is true, but someone on Reddit wrote that this is how it's communicated in Korean newspapers. Since I don't understand Korean at all, I'm not really able to prove it though. :-P
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On February 01 2016 19:53 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 18:58 FFW_Rude wrote:
Is the OP up to date. I can't read 500ish posts right now.
We still know nothing ? Yep. We know... Nothing :-/ Apparently Life + 8 other people (most likely Managers, I'd assume?) got arrested. Dunno of this is true, but someone on Reddit wrote that this is how it's communicated in Korean newspapers. Since I don't understand Korean at all, I'm not really able to prove it though. :-P
Post the source. We have lots of KR speaking pepole here. They will tell you what's in there.
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On February 01 2016 19:18 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 19:16 Makro wrote:On February 01 2016 18:45 Penev wrote:On February 01 2016 17:27 Makro wrote:On February 01 2016 11:48 Phredxor wrote:On February 01 2016 11:35 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 11:31 NyxNax wrote:On February 01 2016 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
This was probably what Wolf meant. I mustve missed it, did Wolf warn of some impending doom? When the Prime thing broke he did a Twitch session where he said that he'd heard names that would shock people Yeah he said he saw a list or something of names that would be a really big deal. can we bet on who is next ? I already saw a name being dropped. :/ innovation? That's the name I saw being dropped indeed.
I fear it happens since his lose against super
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On February 01 2016 19:53 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 18:58 FFW_Rude wrote:
Is the OP up to date. I can't read 500ish posts right now.
We still know nothing ? Yep. We know... Nothing :-/ Apparently Life + 8 other people (most likely Managers, I'd assume?) got arrested. Dunno of this is true, but someone on Reddit wrote that this is how it's communicated in Korean newspapers. Since I don't understand Korean at all, I'm not really able to prove it though. :-P
Probably bookies etc.
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On February 01 2016 18:28 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 17:24 Pr0wler wrote:On February 01 2016 12:14 Grizvok wrote:On February 01 2016 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:On February 01 2016 11:21 Grizvok wrote:On February 01 2016 11:18 Doodsmack wrote:On February 01 2016 11:01 Grizvok wrote:On February 01 2016 10:55 JackONeill wrote:
So is he just accused, or is it pretty certain from now on that he participated in matchfixing? It depends on your level of intelligence. Are you like the majority of users here it seems and feel the need to keep posting things like "innocent until proven guilty" or some other "this is a misunderstanding" or are you logical and realize there was likely some pretty hard evidence to arrest and charge one of the highest profile players we have. "It depends on your level of intelligence" That is a very dumb statement. Very well thought out post. Great content. It's basically self-evident that your statement was dumb. Accusations or charges of high-profile people do not necessarily mean they're guilty (even if Kespa's official position is that if you're charged with matchfixing then you're banned for life). Except if you read this thread you would see many occasions where people showcase the differences in the legal system in Korea where after an arrest/ being charged you are going to be found guilty 99% of the time because they are that thorough before actually making that move. Are you really so naive to think this is some recent development? I guarantee you the Life investigation and collection of evidence has been going on for some time. So yes logically I can pretty easily say he's guilty and at this point so would anybody with half a brain. That's bullshit. Arrested doesn't mean charged or guilty by any means. Everyone, even with very basic understanding of law, should know this. I absolutely believe in the "innocent until proven guilty" and think we should wait with judgement.. but doesn't arrested actually mean charged with a crime? That's the difference between being arrested and being administratively detained like you can be in some countries. The police can't just arrest you without charging you. Maybe this is one of the places where my English fails me but that's what I have understood it to be.
Not necessarily. The arrest may result in a formal charge or not. The police can arrest you, if as a result of investigation they have enough evidence to suspect you.
Here is the deal, we don't really know the stage of the case and the investigation... Maybe you are right and he is actually charged for a crime. All I'm saying is that I can't be 100% sure of that.
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On February 01 2016 16:20 Rekrul wrote:
why scapegoat the famous one and let all the other ones slide
because then the scene dies?
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On February 01 2016 20:44 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 16:20 Rekrul wrote:
why scapegoat the famous one and let all the other ones slide because then the scene dies?
Do we want a scene which is full of matchfixing?
I mean competition is interesting because we think it is about skill.
Personally i don't want sc2 to be wrestling 
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On February 01 2016 14:54 TaKeTV wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 14:43 Shortizz wrote:
Should ban all the proven match fixers from all related activities. Tournament, streaming etc etc, they should be banned for life. Because of people's statement like ''give them a chance'', supporting cheater's afreeca streams, this problem will never go away. Ban them for ''life'' Death sentence doesn't stop people from killing. Same applies here. I hate it as well but it won't make it go away.
A light sentence doesnt deter them enough though. Its disgusting to see cheaters still making money from the game and people they screwed.
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On February 01 2016 20:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 20:44 OtherWorld wrote:On February 01 2016 16:20 Rekrul wrote:
why scapegoat the famous one and let all the other ones slide because then the scene dies? Do we want a scene which is full of matchfixing? I mean competition is interesting because we think it is about skill. Personally i don't want sc2 to be wrestling
ah yeah I agree with you on that one
I was talking from the POV of the guys who live from the scene, they have more interest in a scene with rampant treachery BUT with still some money flowing than in a scene completely clean but with foreign-level of sponsoring and development. That's basically why pro cycling became what it became ; because people in the scene have more short-term interest in trying to cover up the dirty shit, and humans reason with short-term vision.
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On February 01 2016 16:20 Rekrul wrote:
why scapegoat the famous one and let all the other ones slide
Please don't tell me there is bigger than Life involved.
Do you know for sure and can't tell or do you just go by rumors ? (cause i don't know if you have the connexions as before).
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On February 01 2016 19:18 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 19:16 Makro wrote:On February 01 2016 18:45 Penev wrote:On February 01 2016 17:27 Makro wrote:On February 01 2016 11:48 Phredxor wrote:On February 01 2016 11:35 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 11:31 NyxNax wrote:On February 01 2016 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
This was probably what Wolf meant. I mustve missed it, did Wolf warn of some impending doom? When the Prime thing broke he did a Twitch session where he said that he'd heard names that would shock people Yeah he said he saw a list or something of names that would be a really big deal. can we bet on who is next ? I already saw a name being dropped. :/ innovation? That's the name I saw being dropped indeed.
God, just imagine that. Life + INnoVation both nabbed for matchfixing. The scene's probably going to struggle pretty hard this year no matter what at this stage, but that would really smash it to pieces for a while, I'd think.
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On February 01 2016 21:35 neutralrobot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2016 19:18 Penev wrote:On February 01 2016 19:16 Makro wrote:On February 01 2016 18:45 Penev wrote:On February 01 2016 17:27 Makro wrote:On February 01 2016 11:48 Phredxor wrote:On February 01 2016 11:35 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 01 2016 11:31 NyxNax wrote:On February 01 2016 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
This was probably what Wolf meant. I mustve missed it, did Wolf warn of some impending doom? When the Prime thing broke he did a Twitch session where he said that he'd heard names that would shock people Yeah he said he saw a list or something of names that would be a really big deal. can we bet on who is next ? I already saw a name being dropped. :/ innovation? That's the name I saw being dropped indeed. God, just imagine that. Life + INnoVation both nabbed for matchfixing. The scene's probably going to struggle pretty hard this year no matter what at this stage, but that would really smash it to pieces for a while, I'd think.
Life was shocking enough. but + INNOVATION ???? if true i am just going to quit starcraft...
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