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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed.


This goes for other players too. -The_Templar
Maestro85
Profile Joined October 2014
Australia30 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-01 04:53:56
February 01 2016 04:15 GMT
#701
At the end of the day, Life isn't bigger than SC2. It's his problem that he has been caught and SC2 will survive. Don't stress. The game wont cease to function or cease to have a fan base. There will be future champions that have validated victories as I'm sure the majority of prior champions already have. Unfortunately, where there is gambling, there is fixing. If he is guilty, we really should be celebrating that he has been exposed and wont be able to corrupt any further matches.

As an aside, the bloke that ragged on Hewitt and to a lesser extent Roddick earlier in the thread needs to reassess their places in modern tennis history. Hewitt was No.1 for 80 weeks, 75 consecutive, and the youngest to ever achieve it. He defeated Sampras in that 2001 Us Open final. Roddick won a US Open and made 3 Wimbledon finals. Yes, their achievements were eclipsed by Federer/Nadal/Djokovic but that's not to say what they did achieve was insignificant, especially in regard to Hewitt. Hewitt retired a week or so ago and the accolades bestowed upon him by those 3 colossi of the sport is indicative of his influence. “He did things that no other player's ever achieved,” said Roger Federer. http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/news/federer-hewitt-australian-2016-preview
Dollar Sign 0 Dollar Sign :)
palexhur
Profile Joined May 2010
Colombia730 Posts
February 01 2016 04:28 GMT
#702
On February 01 2016 13:11 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 12:14 Grizvok wrote:
On February 01 2016 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:21 Grizvok wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:18 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:01 Grizvok wrote:
On February 01 2016 10:55 JackONeill wrote:
So is he just accused, or is it pretty certain from now on that he participated in matchfixing?


It depends on your level of intelligence. Are you like the majority of users here it seems and feel the need to keep posting things like "innocent until proven guilty" or some other "this is a misunderstanding" or are you logical and realize there was likely some pretty hard evidence to arrest and charge one of the highest profile players we have.


"It depends on your level of intelligence"

That is a very dumb statement.


Very well thought out post. Great content.


It's basically self-evident that your statement was dumb. Accusations or charges of high-profile people do not necessarily mean they're guilty (even if Kespa's official position is that if you're charged with matchfixing then you're banned for life).


Except if you read this thread you would see many occasions where people showcase the differences in the legal system in Korea where after an arrest/ being charged you are going to be found guilty 99% of the time because they are that thorough before actually making that move. Are you really so naive to think this is some recent development? I guarantee you the Life investigation and collection of evidence has been going on for some time.

So yes logically I can pretty easily say he's guilty and at this point so would anybody with half a brain.

99% is not 100%


I learned something new tonight
Stolker
Profile Joined March 2013
United States96 Posts
February 01 2016 05:21 GMT
#703
On February 01 2016 11:53 NyxNax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 11:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
But seriously though, this really blows.

I mean who is going to replace Life as the best Zerg now?

SK? That guy haven't been doing great these days.

Rogue? Really?

Life was the only Zerg player from SC2 that have "the champion look" in his mannerism.


How about Byul? I think hes a good guy and would be awesome to see him win a GSL or premier event. He's come so close..

As much as Byul and soo are good they are not Life. The reason I started watching sc2 was Life's play. Man this blows
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
February 01 2016 05:21 GMT
#704
Holy cow. One of the top 3 sc2 players of all time arrested...

Glad I picked him on my anti-team...
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
February 01 2016 05:25 GMT
#705
Amazingly unfortunate, the scene will survive though. I started getting back into sc2 and saw all the match fixing scandals and it made me sad
Team Overklocked Gaming! That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested this claim. - G.C. Lichtenberg
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
February 01 2016 05:27 GMT
#706
On February 01 2016 14:21 Stolker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 11:53 NyxNax wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
But seriously though, this really blows.

I mean who is going to replace Life as the best Zerg now?

SK? That guy haven't been doing great these days.

Rogue? Really?

Life was the only Zerg player from SC2 that have "the champion look" in his mannerism.


How about Byul? I think hes a good guy and would be awesome to see him win a GSL or premier event. He's come so close..

As much as Byul and soo are good they are not Life. The reason I started watching sc2 was Life's play. Man this blows


Right? I loved life's play and how smooth and devastating a player he is/was.
Team Overklocked Gaming! That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested this claim. - G.C. Lichtenberg
negativedge
Profile Joined December 2011
4279 Posts
February 01 2016 05:28 GMT
#707
the worst day in the history of SC2.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
February 01 2016 05:40 GMT
#708
GG Life sucks
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
Shortizz
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore129 Posts
February 01 2016 05:43 GMT
#709
Should ban all the proven match fixers from all related activities. Tournament, streaming etc etc, they should be banned for life. Because of people's statement like ''give them a chance'', supporting cheater's afreeca streams, this problem will never go away. Ban them for ''life''
ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
February 01 2016 05:51 GMT
#710
On February 01 2016 14:43 Shortizz wrote:
Should ban all the proven match fixers from all related activities. Tournament, streaming etc etc, they should be banned for life. Because of people's statement like ''give them a chance'', supporting cheater's afreeca streams, this problem will never go away. Ban them for ''life''


From streaming too?

Come on, that's a bit harsh don't you think?
Abacus88
Profile Joined January 2016
10 Posts
February 01 2016 05:53 GMT
#711
I mean over here in the West the average Joe didn't know. Did the casters know? Did other pros know? How did the police find out? Repeated rumors are a good thing to investigate, not ignore. I wonder how many other players have rumors about them that maybe nobody talks about b/c they don't want to rock the boat.


I understand the sentiment but that sort of action is really dangerous. Once someone is accused, their reputation can never be fully recovered. Much better to happen this way where an investigation has clearly taken place before making the charge. Even if he's found innocent by Korean police and cleared by Kespa, he's already taken a permanent blow. If he's found innocent of this, people will always watch his games as though they're suspicious.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
February 01 2016 05:54 GMT
#712
On February 01 2016 14:51 ErectedZenith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 14:43 Shortizz wrote:
Should ban all the proven match fixers from all related activities. Tournament, streaming etc etc, they should be banned for life. Because of people's statement like ''give them a chance'', supporting cheater's afreeca streams, this problem will never go away. Ban them for ''life''


From streaming too?

Come on, that's a bit harsh don't you think?

It's harsh to prevent them from profiting from a game they tried to destroy?
TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1199 Posts
February 01 2016 05:54 GMT
#713
On February 01 2016 14:43 Shortizz wrote:
Should ban all the proven match fixers from all related activities. Tournament, streaming etc etc, they should be banned for life. Because of people's statement like ''give them a chance'', supporting cheater's afreeca streams, this problem will never go away. Ban them for ''life''


Death sentence doesn't stop people from killing. Same applies here. I hate it as well but it won't make it go away.
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ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
February 01 2016 05:57 GMT
#714
On February 01 2016 14:54 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 14:51 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 01 2016 14:43 Shortizz wrote:
Should ban all the proven match fixers from all related activities. Tournament, streaming etc etc, they should be banned for life. Because of people's statement like ''give them a chance'', supporting cheater's afreeca streams, this problem will never go away. Ban them for ''life''


From streaming too?

Come on, that's a bit harsh don't you think?

It's harsh to prevent them from profiting from a game they tried to destroy?


I mean its not like Life just set Blizzard's HQ on fire or anything.

He didn't destroy the game, he just lost a few games there and there.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
February 01 2016 06:16 GMT
#715
On February 01 2016 14:57 ErectedZenith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 14:54 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 01 2016 14:51 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 01 2016 14:43 Shortizz wrote:
Should ban all the proven match fixers from all related activities. Tournament, streaming etc etc, they should be banned for life. Because of people's statement like ''give them a chance'', supporting cheater's afreeca streams, this problem will never go away. Ban them for ''life''


From streaming too?

Come on, that's a bit harsh don't you think?

It's harsh to prevent them from profiting from a game they tried to destroy?


I mean its not like Life just set Blizzard's HQ on fire or anything.

He didn't destroy the game, he just lost a few games there and there.


I think you can actually make a very convincing argument that arson would have done much less damage economically and socially to the promotion, sponsorship confidence, and integrity of the game when compared to a player in Life's position match-fixing.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
February 01 2016 07:05 GMT
#716
On February 01 2016 14:27 Shakattak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 14:21 Stolker wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:53 NyxNax wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
But seriously though, this really blows.

I mean who is going to replace Life as the best Zerg now?

SK? That guy haven't been doing great these days.

Rogue? Really?

Life was the only Zerg player from SC2 that have "the champion look" in his mannerism.


How about Byul? I think hes a good guy and would be awesome to see him win a GSL or premier event. He's come so close..

As much as Byul and soo are good they are not Life. The reason I started watching sc2 was Life's play. Man this blows


Right? I loved life's play and how smooth and devastating a player he is/was.


Yeah, I mean, he's in my sig for a reason.... For me, there's no zerg player who could really take his place. When he was "on", he was such a joy to watch. I guess it looks like those days are over now, barring some unexpected miracle. It's hard to know what to even compare it to, except the BW matchfixing scandal. Or maybe more personally, if Jaedong had been arrested for matchfixing in his prime in BW.
Maru | Life | PartinG || I guess I like aggressive control freaks... || Reynor will one day reign supreme || *reyn supreme
eScaper-tsunami
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada313 Posts
February 01 2016 07:10 GMT
#717
On February 01 2016 14:54 TaKeTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 14:43 Shortizz wrote:
Should ban all the proven match fixers from all related activities. Tournament, streaming etc etc, they should be banned for life. Because of people's statement like ''give them a chance'', supporting cheater's afreeca streams, this problem will never go away. Ban them for ''life''


Death sentence doesn't stop people from killing. Same applies here. I hate it as well but it won't make it go away.


Death sentence doesn't stop (all) people from killing.

Anyway it's sad that great players such as Life has participated in match fixing but if anything at least we know the prosecutors are taking the matter very seriously. IMO it's better to know the system is doing their best and arresting match fixer than blindly believing that match-fixing doesn't exist and do nothing about it.
RuhRoh is my herO
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-01 07:17:06
February 01 2016 07:10 GMT
#718
On February 01 2016 15:16 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 14:57 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 01 2016 14:54 ZAiNs wrote:
On February 01 2016 14:51 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 01 2016 14:43 Shortizz wrote:
Should ban all the proven match fixers from all related activities. Tournament, streaming etc etc, they should be banned for life. Because of people's statement like ''give them a chance'', supporting cheater's afreeca streams, this problem will never go away. Ban them for ''life''


From streaming too?

Come on, that's a bit harsh don't you think?

It's harsh to prevent them from profiting from a game they tried to destroy?


I mean its not like Life just set Blizzard's HQ on fire or anything.

He didn't destroy the game, he just lost a few games there and there.


I think you can actually make a very convincing argument that arson would have done much less damage economically and socially to the promotion, sponsorship confidence, and integrity of the game when compared to a player in Life's position match-fixing.


No you can't. One of the matches in question by the witch hunters is one against solar. Like maybe solar legit won it? I mean is he so awful he has no chance against a player like life, ever? Not everyone plays their absolute best all the time but I guess koreans think if your such a badass like life then you have to win every match against what they view as a lesser opponent. Can never be an underdog according to these people. Then again he could be guilty and they are right. Still one proleague match is nothing close to arson. Nobody will even care after lotv is released and interest in the game picks back up if life is convicted or not. Look at how much saviour cheated and how broodwar had more money than sc2 when it started involved. Give me a break. Oh and btw kespa still survived even years after gomtv became a nonfactor in broadcasting starcraft coverage for the second game. Just like how they survived after the first game. Starcraft 3 comes kespa will probably still be there.
There's no S in KT. :P
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
February 01 2016 07:12 GMT
#719
On February 01 2016 16:10 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 14:54 TaKeTV wrote:
On February 01 2016 14:43 Shortizz wrote:
Should ban all the proven match fixers from all related activities. Tournament, streaming etc etc, they should be banned for life. Because of people's statement like ''give them a chance'', supporting cheater's afreeca streams, this problem will never go away. Ban them for ''life''


Death sentence doesn't stop people from killing. Same applies here. I hate it as well but it won't make it go away.


Death sentence doesn't stop (all) people from killing.

Anyway it's sad that great players such as Life has participated in match fixing but if anything at least we know the prosecutors are taking the matter very seriously. IMO it's better to know the system is doing their best and arresting match fixer than blindly believing that match-fixing doesn't exist and do nothing about it.


Death sentence does stop the person who killed already from killing more though.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
February 01 2016 07:20 GMT
#720
why scapegoat the famous one and let all the other ones slide
why so 진지해?
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