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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed.


This goes for other players too. -The_Templar
ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
February 01 2016 02:49 GMT
#681
But seriously though, this really blows.

I mean who is going to replace Life as the best Zerg now?

SK? That guy haven't been doing great these days.

Rogue? Really?

Life was the only Zerg player from SC2 that have "the champion look" in his mannerism.
NyxNax
Profile Joined March 2014
United States227 Posts
February 01 2016 02:49 GMT
#682
On February 01 2016 11:35 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 11:31 NyxNax wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:26 stuchiu wrote:
This was probably what Wolf meant.


I mustve missed it, did Wolf warn of some impending doom?

When the Prime thing broke he did a Twitch session where he said that he'd heard names that would shock people


Got a bad feeling this aint over then... The people caught could implicate more involved... As long as they get the people responsible, at the root of the problem.
NyxNax
Profile Joined March 2014
United States227 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-01 02:54:30
February 01 2016 02:53 GMT
#683
On February 01 2016 11:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
But seriously though, this really blows.

I mean who is going to replace Life as the best Zerg now?

SK? That guy haven't been doing great these days.

Rogue? Really?

Life was the only Zerg player from SC2 that have "the champion look" in his mannerism.


How about Byul? I think hes a good guy and would be awesome to see him win a GSL or premier event. He's come so close..
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10111 Posts
February 01 2016 02:59 GMT
#684
On February 01 2016 11:53 NyxNax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 11:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
But seriously though, this really blows.

I mean who is going to replace Life as the best Zerg now?

SK? That guy haven't been doing great these days.

Rogue? Really?

Life was the only Zerg player from SC2 that have "the champion look" in his mannerism.


How about Byul? I think hes a good guy and would be awesome to see him win a GSL or premier event. He's come so close..

Soulkey is looking good
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Grizvok
Profile Joined August 2014
United States711 Posts
February 01 2016 03:00 GMT
#685
On February 01 2016 11:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
But seriously though, this really blows.

I mean who is going to replace Life as the best Zerg now?

SK? That guy haven't been doing great these days.

Rogue? Really?

Life was the only Zerg player from SC2 that have "the champion look" in his mannerism.


I think soO looks like a champ.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
February 01 2016 03:00 GMT
#686
On February 01 2016 11:21 Grizvok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 11:18 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:01 Grizvok wrote:
On February 01 2016 10:55 JackONeill wrote:
So is he just accused, or is it pretty certain from now on that he participated in matchfixing?


It depends on your level of intelligence. Are you like the majority of users here it seems and feel the need to keep posting things like "innocent until proven guilty" or some other "this is a misunderstanding" or are you logical and realize there was likely some pretty hard evidence to arrest and charge one of the highest profile players we have.


"It depends on your level of intelligence"

That is a very dumb statement.


Very well thought out post. Great content.


It's basically self-evident that your statement was dumb. Accusations or charges of high-profile people do not necessarily mean they're guilty (even if Kespa's official position is that if you're charged with matchfixing then you're banned for life).
CmdBash
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia38 Posts
February 01 2016 03:02 GMT
#687
On February 01 2016 11:49 ErectedZenith wrote:
But seriously though, this really blows.

I mean who is going to replace Life as the best Zerg now?

SK? That guy haven't been doing great these days.

Rogue? Really?

Life was the only Zerg player from SC2 that have "the champion look" in his mannerism.


I think TLO has what it takes to be the most creative zerg out there now.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
February 01 2016 03:02 GMT
#688
We didn't give this level of patience to Gerrard, or B4, or Yoda. There is one person who must be held responsible, first and foremost, for the incidents that have led to this arrest. That person's name is Lee Seung Hyun.

He wasn't desperate for money with a team depending on him financially. He wasn't being pressured by some higher-up on his team. He was one of the star players on a premier Kespa team, who was surely salaried well, and even if he wasn't for some unfathomable reason, he has earned nearly half a million dollars in his careers through earnings regardless. Unless a major revelation comes out in the aftermath, the only word that comes to mind is greed.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
February 01 2016 03:03 GMT
#689
On February 01 2016 11:09 thePunGun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 11:01 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On February 01 2016 10:58 NyxNax wrote:
On February 01 2016 10:55 JackONeill wrote:
So is he just accused, or is it pretty certain from now on that he participated in matchfixing?


Someone else mentioned there is a 98% conviction rate, one can assume then that they wouldnt arrest him without a slam dunk.

Like someone else pointed out, theres no details as to what the match fixing was. It could be something as simple as a specific timing or as bad as taking a loss. Either way it sounds almost certain money was passed for some sort of manipulation of the game.


The announcement specifically says he was arrested for receiving money. You don't say that publicly without being damn sure.


I have a prosecutor in my family (brother) and I can tell you, that you will not get arrested unless the evidence is rock solid.
Just to be clear I'm not american (no redneck laws over here)

That's pretty much how it works everywhere with a reasonably modern legal system.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
February 01 2016 03:10 GMT
#690
mvp without a doubt best sc2 player of all time. if i were lilbow id be kind of worried that life was trying to throw that match last blizzcom but he still wasnt able to win lol.
robert moses
Profile Joined February 2016
1 Post
February 01 2016 03:12 GMT
#691
Hey fuckers,
WHAT GAME(S) WERE MATCH FIXED??? Am I the only one who is interested in re-watching a game that you now know was fixed? I want to see how he does it!

User was banned for this post.
Orr
Profile Joined February 2014
United States168 Posts
February 01 2016 03:13 GMT
#692
Rather saddening to see the amount of folks here proclaiming their disbelief that someone rich, famous, and supremely talented could infringe upon their integrity. Hopefully it's pure naivety from all the younger fans who haven't yet learned the ways of how humans work.

The financial system in America didn't almost crash earlier this decade because a bunch of low level, white collar office accountants making $50k intentionally fudged some numbers to get ahead. It was a systemic perpetration by executive and senior level leaders across the entire banking, regulatory, and political spectrums. Greed has no limits, and knows no bounds. And those who make far more from one yearly cash/stock bonus than Life will ever accrue in all his winnings and endorsements, were and will never be satiated.

Sports betting and point shaving have been staples of this country for a long time. It's just nowadays that mainstream attention is beginning to be drawn to its vast scope. Hugely popular sites like FanDuel and DraftKings (while facing current legal issues), are not only in bed with the dominant ESPN empire, but also have been revealed to have had quiet arrangements with all major North American sports.

No one, no matter your position or standing, should ever be excused for mortgaging or forfeiting their integrity. But the punishments in this country, sadly never fit the crime. Politics here is the same as any crime family. The low level enforcers who do as their told by their faceless superiors inevitably take the fall, while the bosses walk away with a reprimand (and often even richer for their troubles).

Lastly, the popular notion here that no one really came out the worse for wear aside from unknowing bettors, portends very poorly for the present and future of our societal and global awareness. The big money behind the scenes across gambling inevitably lies in illicit activity. And crime doesn't get rich and thrive off betting on rigged SC2 games. It does that from exploiting women and children. And the distribution/sale of drugs that destroy lives. The endgame of gambling is logically match-fixing. But it's the process that leads there that rips apart the threads of our humanity.
Flash I Jaedong I herO I Best I Maru I Rogue
Grizvok
Profile Joined August 2014
United States711 Posts
February 01 2016 03:14 GMT
#693
On February 01 2016 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 11:21 Grizvok wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:18 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:01 Grizvok wrote:
On February 01 2016 10:55 JackONeill wrote:
So is he just accused, or is it pretty certain from now on that he participated in matchfixing?


It depends on your level of intelligence. Are you like the majority of users here it seems and feel the need to keep posting things like "innocent until proven guilty" or some other "this is a misunderstanding" or are you logical and realize there was likely some pretty hard evidence to arrest and charge one of the highest profile players we have.


"It depends on your level of intelligence"

That is a very dumb statement.


Very well thought out post. Great content.


It's basically self-evident that your statement was dumb. Accusations or charges of high-profile people do not necessarily mean they're guilty (even if Kespa's official position is that if you're charged with matchfixing then you're banned for life).


Except if you read this thread you would see many occasions where people showcase the differences in the legal system in Korea where after an arrest/ being charged you are going to be found guilty 99% of the time because they are that thorough before actually making that move. Are you really so naive to think this is some recent development? I guarantee you the Life investigation and collection of evidence has been going on for some time.

So yes logically I can pretty easily say he's guilty and at this point so would anybody with half a brain.
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
February 01 2016 03:15 GMT
#694
Kinda sad to see the different ways a player like life is being treated by the community compared to the last batch of guys. Hope he is banned from streaming.
Grizvok
Profile Joined August 2014
United States711 Posts
February 01 2016 03:17 GMT
#695
On February 01 2016 12:12 robert moses wrote:
Hey fuckers,
WHAT GAME(S) WERE MATCH FIXED??? Am I the only one who is interested in re-watching a game that you now know was fixed? I want to see how he does it!


That would be interesting, but it could be much more subtle stuff. The range of shit that gets bet on within a match is crazy.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
February 01 2016 03:40 GMT
#696
On January 31 2016 23:41 aQuaSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 23:32 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
On January 31 2016 23:29 Quateras wrote:
On January 31 2016 23:16 brickrd wrote:
i will probably not watch korean sc anymore


This is surprisingly my first thought as well hah :S
It just feels so weird, fake not sure who else can or is involved.

Guess time to follow Foreigner land more



I dont get the reasoning. With risk of killing off your remaning passion, matchfixing could be just as common if not more common in the foreign scene considering the low payments and whatnot, especially since we dont have the same government body like KeSPA watching over the foreign teams and players.

Are you really going to let one turd kill off a hobby for you?

Actually all the losses of foreigners vs Koreans look suspicious, don't they? /s

I don't get this logic, some people did something wrong in a particular group, so the other group can do the same wrong thing too? "Common if not more common" is almost a blind accusation


I have no idea what it is that you want.
Dabble
Profile Joined February 2016
39 Posts
February 01 2016 03:48 GMT
#697
On February 01 2016 12:15 HugoBallzak wrote:
Kinda sad to see the different ways a player like life is being treated by the community compared to the last batch of guys. Hope he is banned from streaming.


You could tell something was "going on" at PRIME just by watching them play. Their team was down to 4 players, 4 players total on the entire team, and they all looked dispirited. Most of their matches in proleague were humiliating loses, although a few of their players did so-so in individual leagues. It was obvious they were going to disband soon whether something like this happened or not.
HugoBallzak
Profile Joined November 2015
700 Posts
February 01 2016 03:49 GMT
#698
On February 01 2016 12:40 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 23:41 aQuaSC wrote:
On January 31 2016 23:32 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
On January 31 2016 23:29 Quateras wrote:
On January 31 2016 23:16 brickrd wrote:
i will probably not watch korean sc anymore


This is surprisingly my first thought as well hah :S
It just feels so weird, fake not sure who else can or is involved.

Guess time to follow Foreigner land more



I dont get the reasoning. With risk of killing off your remaning passion, matchfixing could be just as common if not more common in the foreign scene considering the low payments and whatnot, especially since we dont have the same government body like KeSPA watching over the foreign teams and players.

Are you really going to let one turd kill off a hobby for you?

Actually all the losses of foreigners vs Koreans look suspicious, don't they? /s

I don't get this logic, some people did something wrong in a particular group, so the other group can do the same wrong thing too? "Common if not more common" is almost a blind accusation


I have no idea what it is that you want.


I am already boycotting foreigner sc2 but Life is making it a lot easier to tune out completely.
waiting2Bbanned
Profile Joined November 2015
United States154 Posts
February 01 2016 03:54 GMT
#699
The greatest loss would be Life himself, one of the best zerg players out there


^ this

"If you are going to break the law, do it with two thousand people.. and Mozart." - Howard Zinn
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
February 01 2016 04:11 GMT
#700
On February 01 2016 12:14 Grizvok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2016 12:00 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:21 Grizvok wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:18 Doodsmack wrote:
On February 01 2016 11:01 Grizvok wrote:
On February 01 2016 10:55 JackONeill wrote:
So is he just accused, or is it pretty certain from now on that he participated in matchfixing?


It depends on your level of intelligence. Are you like the majority of users here it seems and feel the need to keep posting things like "innocent until proven guilty" or some other "this is a misunderstanding" or are you logical and realize there was likely some pretty hard evidence to arrest and charge one of the highest profile players we have.


"It depends on your level of intelligence"

That is a very dumb statement.


Very well thought out post. Great content.


It's basically self-evident that your statement was dumb. Accusations or charges of high-profile people do not necessarily mean they're guilty (even if Kespa's official position is that if you're charged with matchfixing then you're banned for life).


Except if you read this thread you would see many occasions where people showcase the differences in the legal system in Korea where after an arrest/ being charged you are going to be found guilty 99% of the time because they are that thorough before actually making that move. Are you really so naive to think this is some recent development? I guarantee you the Life investigation and collection of evidence has been going on for some time.

So yes logically I can pretty easily say he's guilty and at this point so would anybody with half a brain.

99% is not 100%
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