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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar |
On February 03 20
16 01:41 WrathSCII wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 01:39 joshie0808 wrote:
=( bad news for Afreeca.. now they need another ace The joke is that they lost Leenock for Life, and Life turned out to be a scam... It was not a trade but an awkward trap were they lost a player before PL starts...
I prefer to think of it as Life's last baneling bust.
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On February 03 2016 01:39 joshie0808 wrote:
=( bad news for Afreeca.. now they need another ace
Fortunately, they already have one. One of the top 3 Terrans, Alive.
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On February 03 2016 02:14 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 01:56 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 Popkiller wrote:On February 03 2016 01:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife ONE MORE FUCKING TIME ! Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening. So are you saying you think we'll see Life playing SC2 again, competing? Do you really think that might happen? If he is not guilty i don't see why not. MarineKing still plays... Marineking wasn't charged. That's the difference He is arrested on match fixing charges not charged on match fixing. There is a difference. MarineKing was also introgated on match fixing charges. We are John Snow right now. We know nothing. Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 01:53 Silvana wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 Popkiller wrote:On February 03 2016 01:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife ONE MORE FUCKING TIME ! Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening. So are you saying you think we'll see Life playing SC2 again, competing? Do you really think that might happen? If he is not guilty i don't see why not. MarineKing still plays... He's not gonna play for Afreeca for sure. They already Photoshopped him out of the team picture. I did not know that. I just hope he is not guilty and that he's photoshoped back. I just can't deal with another SaviOr deception.
Life has been charged. Arrested and charged as per the OP's translation.
Also it's very important to note the exact charge is not match-fixing, but for receiving money for match-fixing. That means there's a paper trail connecting Life.
I know innocent until proven guilty, but in high profile cases (yes this counts) they aren't going to jump the gun on formally pressing charges. So even if he avoids a guilty verdict, I doubt he'll be able to dodge a KeSPA ban.
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On February 03 2016 02:47 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 02:14 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:56 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 Popkiller wrote:On February 03 2016 01:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife ONE MORE FUCKING TIME ! Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening. So are you saying you think we'll see Life playing SC2 again, competing? Do you really think that might happen? If he is not guilty i don't see why not. MarineKing still plays... Marineking wasn't charged. That's the difference He is arrested on match fixing charges not charged on match fixing. There is a difference. MarineKing was also introgated on match fixing charges. We are John Snow right now. We know nothing. On February 03 2016 01:53 Silvana wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 Popkiller wrote:On February 03 2016 01:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife ONE MORE FUCKING TIME ! Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening. So are you saying you think we'll see Life playing SC2 again, competing? Do you really think that might happen? If he is not guilty i don't see why not. MarineKing still plays... He's not gonna play for Afreeca for sure. They already Photoshopped him out of the team picture. I did not know that. I just hope he is not guilty and that he's photoshoped back. I just can't deal with another SaviOr deception. Life has been charged. Arrested and charged as per the OP's translation. Also it's very important to note the exact charge is not match-fixing, but for receiving money for match-fixing. That means there's a paper trail connecting Life. I know innocent until proven guilty, but in high profile cases (yes this counts) they aren't going to jump the gun on formally pressing charges. So even if he avoids a guilty verdict, I doubt he'll be able to dodge a KeSPA ban.
I hope it's strictly correct, because as you can see from the page 255 (Google's numbering) of The Quality of Life in Korea: Comparative and Dynamic Perspectives, the difference of conviction rates for those merely arrested and those that are indicted by the prosecutor is huge. About half of people arrested in contrast to almost all that are prosecuted.
Edit: I actually read this wrong, seems like if you believe this chart and dramatic changes haven't happened since 1999, even prosecution hasn't been that certain to result in conviction and arrests are far, far away from that. Not sure what to think of this graph now since it seems be saying very different things compared to many other sources regarding the conviction rate.
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On February 03 2016 00:32 africola wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 00:21 aQuaSC wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife You can't be real? As a person actually playing this game it's hard for me to understand this reasoning. It's like never touching water anymore because Armstrong used drugs. I'll leave in silence the pleas of already clearing a not yet convicted matchfixer. Given that it's your first post I can only take it as bait of some sort... what do you mean? I think he has a fair point. In the end he made ONE (admittedly very dumb) mistake. Still he brought life (no pun intended) to the whole SC2 world by playing and WINNING (so not fixing) in my eyes many of the most exiting game series in the whole world. Why should we forget what a great player he was? Why should we measure him by just this one case he obviously failed? He will get punished for this and it's already hard enough for him, so at least players who liked him can stand by him and praise the glory he brought to the scene anyways. No need to burn Life at the stake for this one misconduct!
Will he get punished sufficiently though? As far as I know we never heard the penalty on Yoda, B4 etc. I don't buy this whole story of "Korean society will shun you." Why? Is this a misdemeanor/felony?
You're not allowed to make that mistake. Cheaters and match fixers are the scum of the earth. I grew up playing ra2. The first time I caught someone cheating, I would never play them again.
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On February 03 2016 03:01 nighcol wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 02:47 Wuster wrote:On February 03 2016 02:14 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:56 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 Popkiller wrote:On February 03 2016 01:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife ONE MORE FUCKING TIME ! Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening. So are you saying you think we'll see Life playing SC2 again, competing? Do you really think that might happen? If he is not guilty i don't see why not. MarineKing still plays... Marineking wasn't charged. That's the difference He is arrested on match fixing charges not charged on match fixing. There is a difference. MarineKing was also introgated on match fixing charges. We are John Snow right now. We know nothing. On February 03 2016 01:53 Silvana wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 Popkiller wrote:On February 03 2016 01:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife ONE MORE FUCKING TIME ! Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening. So are you saying you think we'll see Life playing SC2 again, competing? Do you really think that might happen? If he is not guilty i don't see why not. MarineKing still plays... He's not gonna play for Afreeca for sure. They already Photoshopped him out of the team picture. I did not know that. I just hope he is not guilty and that he's photoshoped back. I just can't deal with another SaviOr deception. Life has been charged. Arrested and charged as per the OP's translation. Also it's very important to note the exact charge is not match-fixing, but for receiving money for match-fixing. That means there's a paper trail connecting Life. I know innocent until proven guilty, but in high profile cases (yes this counts) they aren't going to jump the gun on formally pressing charges. So even if he avoids a guilty verdict, I doubt he'll be able to dodge a KeSPA ban. I hope it's strictly correct, because as you can see from the page 255 (Google's numbering) of The Quality of Life in Korea: Comparative and Dynamic Perspectives, the difference of conviction rates for those merely arrested and those that are indicted by the prosecutor is huge. About half of people arrested in contrast to almost all that are prosecuted. Edit: I actually read this wrong, seems like if you believe this chart and dramatic changes haven't happened since 1999, even prosecution hasn't been that certain to result in conviction and arrests are far, far away from that.
Here's the book link for English speakers:
https://books.google.com/books?id=pLbnCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA119&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
BTW, that doesn't mean what you think it means. The discrepancy between conviction and prosecution rate isn't just people being found not-guilty. I'm pretty certain that the vast majority of it is made of up people taking plea deals.
That's how it works in the US anyways, the majority of cases are actually plead out rather than tried in a courtroom.
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On February 03 2016 03:15 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 03:01 nighcol wrote:On February 03 2016 02:47 Wuster wrote:On February 03 2016 02:14 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:56 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 Popkiller wrote:On February 03 2016 01:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife ONE MORE FUCKING TIME ! Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening. So are you saying you think we'll see Life playing SC2 again, competing? Do you really think that might happen? If he is not guilty i don't see why not. MarineKing still plays... Marineking wasn't charged. That's the difference He is arrested on match fixing charges not charged on match fixing. There is a difference. MarineKing was also introgated on match fixing charges. We are John Snow right now. We know nothing. On February 03 2016 01:53 Silvana wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 Popkiller wrote:On February 03 2016 01:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife ONE MORE FUCKING TIME ! Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening. So are you saying you think we'll see Life playing SC2 again, competing? Do you really think that might happen? If he is not guilty i don't see why not. MarineKing still plays... He's not gonna play for Afreeca for sure. They already Photoshopped him out of the team picture. I did not know that. I just hope he is not guilty and that he's photoshoped back. I just can't deal with another SaviOr deception. Life has been charged. Arrested and charged as per the OP's translation. Also it's very important to note the exact charge is not match-fixing, but for receiving money for match-fixing. That means there's a paper trail connecting Life. I know innocent until proven guilty, but in high profile cases (yes this counts) they aren't going to jump the gun on formally pressing charges. So even if he avoids a guilty verdict, I doubt he'll be able to dodge a KeSPA ban. I hope it's strictly correct, because as you can see from the page 255 (Google's numbering) of The Quality of Life in Korea: Comparative and Dynamic Perspectives, the difference of conviction rates for those merely arrested and those that are indicted by the prosecutor is huge. About half of people arrested in contrast to almost all that are prosecuted. Edit: I actually read this wrong, seems like if you believe this chart and dramatic changes haven't happened since 1999, even prosecution hasn't been that certain to result in conviction and arrests are far, far away from that. Here's the book link for English speakers: https://books.google.com/books?id=pLbnCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA119&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=falseBTW, that doesn't mean what you think it means. The discrepancy between conviction and prosecution rate isn't just people being found not-guilty. I'm pretty certain that the vast majority of it is made of up people taking plea deals. That's how it works in the US anyways, the majority of cases are actually plead out rather than tried in a courtroom.
Yeah, didn't think of that, it does sound possible. I noticed that most of the sources citing very high conviction rates refer to a study that used statistics from between 1984-1992 so the rates of crime, arrest and prosecution have definitely dramatically changed after that. It's reflected in the graph there so for that part it could be accurate.
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On February 03 2016 02:44 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 20
16 01:41 WrathSCII wrote:On February 03 2016 01:39 joshie0808 wrote:
=( bad news for Afreeca.. now they need another ace The joke is that they lost Leenock for Life, and Life turned out to be a scam... It was not a trade but an awkward trap were they lost a player before PL starts... I prefer to think of it as Life's last baneling bust.
Life just wanted to screw ST one last time.
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On February 03 2016 03:08 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 00:32 africola wrote:On February 03 2016 00:21 aQuaSC wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife You can't be real? As a person actually playing this game it's hard for me to understand this reasoning. It's like never touching water anymore because Armstrong used drugs. I'll leave in silence the pleas of already clearing a not yet convicted matchfixer. Given that it's your first post I can only take it as bait of some sort... what do you mean? I think he has a fair point. In the end he made ONE (admittedly very dumb) mistake. Still he brought life (no pun intended) to the whole SC2 world by playing and WINNING (so not fixing) in my eyes many of the most exiting game series in the whole world. Why should we forget what a great player he was? Why should we measure him by just this one case he obviously failed? He will get punished for this and it's already hard enough for him, so at least players who liked him can stand by him and praise the glory he brought to the scene anyways. No need to burn Life at the stake for this one misconduct! Will he get punished sufficiently though? As far as I know we never heard the penalty on Yoda, B4 etc. I don't buy this whole story of "Korean society will shun you." Why? Is this a misdemeanor/felony? You're not allowed to make that mistake. Cheaters and match fixers are the scum of the earth. I grew up playing ra2. The first time I caught someone cheating, I would never play them again.
You heard the man, time to bring back capital punishment.
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On February 03 2016 00:32 africola wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 00:21 aQuaSC wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife You can't be real? As a person actually playing this game it's hard for me to understand this reasoning. It's like never touching water anymore because Armstrong used drugs. I'll leave in silence the pleas of already clearing a not yet convicted matchfixer. Given that it's your first post I can only take it as bait of some sort... what do you mean? I think he has a fair point. In the end he made ONE (admittedly very dumb) mistake. Still he brought life (no pun intended) to the whole SC2 world by playing and WINNING (so not fixing) in my eyes many of the most exiting game series in the whole world. Why should we forget what a great player he was? Why should we measure him by just this one case he obviously failed? He will get punished for this and it's already hard enough for him, so at least players who liked him can stand by him and praise the glory he brought to the scene anyways. No need to burn Life at the stake for this one misconduct!
Wait what? "ONE [...] mistake" ... matchfixing in Korea is not something out of this world. It is daily business. To claim someone just made one small mistake is just plain wrong. As a korean eSports pro there is one thing you just know: You shall not matchfix!
This is not something where you were young and drunk and wanted to show off and cause of that crashed your parents car into a wall. It is a planned crime initiated by a well organized group of criminals.
He most likely acted out of pure greediness.
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On February 03 2016 03:15 Wuster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2016 03:01 nighcol wrote:On February 03 2016 02:47 Wuster wrote:On February 03 2016 02:14 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:56 showstealer1829 wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 Popkiller wrote:On February 03 2016 01:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife ONE MORE FUCKING TIME ! Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening. So are you saying you think we'll see Life playing SC2 again, competing? Do you really think that might happen? If he is not guilty i don't see why not. MarineKing still plays... Marineking wasn't charged. That's the difference He is arrested on match fixing charges not charged on match fixing. There is a difference. MarineKing was also introgated on match fixing charges. We are John Snow right now. We know nothing. On February 03 2016 01:53 Silvana wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 01:46 Popkiller wrote:On February 03 2016 01:27 FFW_Rude wrote:On February 03 2016 00:10 raff1001 wrote:
There is no reason to enjoy this game anymore without the best Zerg of this game,the only one able to win over the reign of different toss and terran. Thank you for all that you have done for us.One mistake won't change years of succes.
Long Life to Life.
#pray4Life#freeLife ONE MORE FUCKING TIME ! Life is NOT CONVICTED YET. We do not know what is happening. So are you saying you think we'll see Life playing SC2 again, competing? Do you really think that might happen? If he is not guilty i don't see why not. MarineKing still plays... He's not gonna play for Afreeca for sure. They already Photoshopped him out of the team picture. I did not know that. I just hope he is not guilty and that he's photoshoped back. I just can't deal with another SaviOr deception. Life has been charged. Arrested and charged as per the OP's translation. Also it's very important to note the exact charge is not match-fixing, but for receiving money for match-fixing. That means there's a paper trail connecting Life. I know innocent until proven guilty, but in high profile cases (yes this counts) they aren't going to jump the gun on formally pressing charges. So even if he avoids a guilty verdict, I doubt he'll be able to dodge a KeSPA ban. I hope it's strictly correct, because as you can see from the page 255 (Google's numbering) of The Quality of Life in Korea: Comparative and Dynamic Perspectives, the difference of conviction rates for those merely arrested and those that are indicted by the prosecutor is huge. About half of people arrested in contrast to almost all that are prosecuted. Edit: I actually read this wrong, seems like if you believe this chart and dramatic changes haven't happened since 1999, even prosecution hasn't been that certain to result in conviction and arrests are far, far away from that. Here's the book link for English speakers: https://books.google.com/books?id=pLbnCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA119&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=4#v=onepage&q&f=falseBTW, that doesn't mean what you think it means. The discrepancy between conviction and prosecution rate isn't just people being found not-guilty. I'm pretty certain that the vast majority of it is made of up people taking plea deals. That's how it works in the US anyways, the majority of cases are actually plead out rather than tried in a courtroom.
Apparently plea bargains are not part of the Korean justice system but they do have something called "habui" that serves a similar purpose except is pretty limited in what kinds of crimes it can be applied to. Even in the USA it seems like many pleas do still result in conviction but I have no idea how it is with the Korean system...
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is he still locked up in jail or out on bail or something? any news of the hearing
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Afreeca Freecs should hire  DongRaeGu if Life isn't coming back. They need another strong player. Last year, DongRaeGu showed really strong Proleague performances while he was on SBENU.
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KT should give Afreeca Freecs back the money they got from the trade (I assume they got some)
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When are we getting an update on the situation?
Is he scheduled to appear in court, does he have a defense attorney...?
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My guess would be never. We haven't heard anything about Yoda or B4
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KT dodged that bullet well!
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On February 03 2016 04:02 Noonius wrote:
is he still locked up in jail or out on bail or something? any news of the hearing
I am wondering the same.
Any news ?
I really hope he will be able to play again, that would be a sad loss for sc2 community
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On February 03 2016 04:56 krjay5 wrote:
My guess would be never. We haven't heard anything about Yoda or B4
Yeah but they're small potatoes. I get that Life isn't exactly Tiger Woods, even in Korea, but this information should still be out there somewhere.
Weird that there hasn't been any statement at all. When MarineKing was being investigated, MKP and Choya both released public statements affirming his innocence. This time there's absolutely nothing, not from Life, not from KT, not from ST/Afreeca. Obviously part of that is due to timing (neither team feels responsible for him - he's off KT but not quite in Afreeca) but I'm sure part of that is how far this has progressed and how evident his guilt is to all these parties. It's very telling.
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