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banjoetheredskin
United States744 Posts
32 best lol | ||
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On January 22 2016 04:28 REyeM wrote: Technically they are 32 best players since Koreans aren't allowed to leave their country .!. Damn Kim Jong Un... I mean Blizzard Entertainment... for doing that to us. | ||
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Swisslink
2958 Posts
On January 22 2016 06:04 Prog455 wrote: Marinelord has recently beaten Parting and Innovation. Snute and Bunny beats Koreans from time to time aswell. Saying that Europeans will never reach the level of Koreans because they no longer compete against them is bullshit. Koreans made it to their current skill level only competing against themselves, surely there is no reason why Europeans shouldn't be able to do the same. There is so much pro-Korea bias on this site, that it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion about the state of SC2. The Koreans made their current level because of two things: Every Korean who has been really succesful was in a team with a rather strict training regime. And to win anything they had to reach an insanely high level of play. You are right, Koreans made it to their current skill level only by competing against themselves, but the difference is: The Koreans were the best at the time. They had to beat the best players. For WCS 2016 however... ... well... Europeans are still not gonna have a good training environment and Europeans won't ever compete with the best beside Blizzcon. That's quite a huge difference. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
Sure they should've written "best players outside of Korea", but who cares. | ||
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DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
On January 22 2016 10:56 Rehio wrote: I hate how this entire thread has turned into mocking a single sentence. Yep - there is a lot of toxicity and entitlement in these forums. Looking forward to seeing the games, especially Polt and Bunny. | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
A lot of frustration to vent over the new wcs system though. Separating foreigners from Koreans is a bit like putting the kids with bad grades in the slow class and expecting them to somehow catch up to the kids in the normal classes. The gap will just keep getting wider. On January 22 2016 04:04 Hadronsbecrazy wrote: but won't lilbow be practising for Warcraft 4? I hear he's practicing half life 3 these days. lol poor lilbow will never live that decision down. | ||
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PPN
France248 Posts
On January 22 2016 10:56 Rehio wrote: I hate how this entire thread has turned into mocking a single sentence. Nothing forced them to word it that way. Some PR pros approved of this. I hope for them that they saw it coming. On January 22 2016 10:23 Thax wrote: Oh for fucks sake. Aren't you all fucking precious? You know what Korea is? A saturated market. You know where Blizzard wants to market their games? With the rest of the 7 fucking billion people on this planet. If the Korean scene is too bloated to keep itself healthy, it should shed some of its dead weight. That's how things work. If the "experts" on this board are to be believed there are only 10 Koreans who are actually good anyway, so who cares about the rest? Otherwise let Kespa do something about it. That's their purpose, no? Are you trying to deny the Korean dominance on the Starcraft scene 17 years in its existence? Also you're missing the point. All these angry people don't really care for Korea itself, they just want to see the best games possible with the actual best players in the world. They just happen to be mostly Korean. Before you could see them in 4 seasons of 2 solo competitions, 1 team league, and you could catch half a dozen at international events all year long. Now you only have 2 seasons and nothing much else. It inevitably left a sour taste in one's mouth, and someone at ESL just added salt to it. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
On January 22 2016 11:30 DeadByDawn wrote: Yep - there is a lot of toxicity and entitlement in these forums. Looking forward to seeing the games, especially Polt and Bunny. Gotta agree. My outlook on SC2 fans definitely went down a notch. As a brood war contributor, not once have I ever let the status of the scene get to me. I've also watched the majority of SC2 tournaments and remained positive towards SC2 as a whole. Honestly, you guys who mock sentences or support the doom and gloom method suck. Find a way to start showing positive support, that's how things improve. Be constructive with every comment. Don't join the ranks of the rest of these downers. Bottom line, you can take my advice and add real contributions to the scene or become the social justice warrior that boycotted the game until you had nothing left. SC2 isn't dead in my eyes, but quality SC2 fans are. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On January 22 2016 03:22 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I said it on twitter and I'll say it here OH GOD MY SIDES Best post @_@ | ||
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Powster
United States650 Posts
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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I wasbanned fromthis
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Savven
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6668 Posts
But bottom line I haven't watched a single Sc2 game since this happened, this current system is nothing short of a very unfunny joke. You've left 90% of the top quality players to play in like 10% of the tournaments. Why? Because foreigners couldn't compete and you want a bigger market of shit instead of a smaller marker with higher quality. Business stand point in the long term it does make sense, but short term and from a fan point of view we should rightfully be upset. Think of the poor B-team Korean who is easily better than the majority of the foreign scene, now impossible for them to follow their dreams while we get entitled foreigners being actually rewarded because they are weaker. The strong is suppose to survive not the weak. Personally I may try and stay up eventually to watch a gsl game or two this season but tournaments with complete sub par players and 1-3 good players hold no interest to me. Just throwing in my two cents since this thread seems to have devolved into a shit show. | ||
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FrkFrJss
Canada1208 Posts
On January 22 2016 13:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote: I respect the people defending IEM and the Sc2 scene in general, we do need something positive to keep the scene going in these dark times. But bottom line I haven't watched a single Sc2 game since this happened, this current system is nothing short of a very unfunny joke. You've left 90% of the top quality players to play in like 10% of the tournaments. Why? Because foreigners couldn't compete and you want a bigger market of shit instead of a smaller marker with higher quality. Business stand point in the long term it does make sense, but short term and from a fan point of view we should rightfully be upset. Think of the poor B-team Korean who is easily better than the majority of the foreign scene, now impossible for them to follow their dreams while we get entitled foreigners being actually rewarded because they are weaker. The strong is suppose to survive not the weak. Personally I may try and stay up eventually to watch a gsl game or two this season but tournaments with complete sub par players and 1-3 good players hold no interest to me. Just throwing in my two cents since this thread seems to have devolved into a shit show. Romanticize it as you want, but how many B-teamers have we really seen in 2015? Maybe like less than five? Most of the player who play in the iems and the dreamhacks are the top-tier players (or close to top-tier). I don't disagree that having so few top-level koreans is disappointing, and it is less of a draw to watch the tournaments. But, at the highest level, the top foreigners do produce games that are equivalent to mid-tier Koreans. Perhaps not as often, but it still does happen. Besides, I want to know how much you are REALLY able to distinguish between Korean games and top foreigner games. As much as I do think that Catz was somewhat mistaken in that noone could tell between any foreigners and any koreans playing if you hid the names, I would say that you would not be able to tell as clearly as you might think that koreans or foreigners are playing. | ||
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Shortizz
Singapore129 Posts
Go ahead and boycott or whatever. I hope they shut down all the tournaments and WCS after 2016 viewership numbers so i can read even more whining and crying on TL. Its fucking sad to see what this forum has turned into. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
On January 22 2016 12:21 Tenks wrote: Wow this thread is a shitshow. We need some mods in here. Nah, people should be allowed to have a negative opinion without being censored. I don't speak for anyone else, but I'm not happy about the new system, could be that's what your seeing reflected in peoples opinions and sarcasm. There have been a good amount of bad decisions over the years regarding this game I love. I mean, bunny looked pretty damn bad at HSC and he's not even a player now, but a student. It appears he wasn't thriving in that role and competition like Suppy did. The invites are also based on standings for a very different game, HOTS. I can't help but feel solar should be attending. It's an intel without Hero... How fair does that seem? | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Doubt i'll watch much since the only foreigner I really like is Pet and he's at school now. But of the people invited i'd love to see TLO win, he just seems like such a great guy :D | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
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