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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
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UberNuB
United States365 Posts
There's always people who don't go, or people who won in qualifiers (or previous tournaments) and are no longer in top form, or were invited purely based on popularity. Aside from it's now against the rules, this seems pretty similar to early days of SC2 when Koreans simply didn't attend as many foreign events -- which were honestly some of the most enjoyable tournaments. I for one am optimistic for 2016. | ||
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denjoR
Germany2 Posts
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ZackAttack
United States884 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
On January 22 2016 03:20 WrathSCII wrote: The initial eight players are receiving their invites based on their standings in the 2015 WCS ranking, with the exclusion of players based in Korea, which gives us the following invites: seriously, fuck you Blizzard On January 22 2016 08:44 UberNuB wrote: I for one am optimistic for 2016. I wish I could be like this... | ||
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OveRtheStarS
Canada69 Posts
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PPN
France248 Posts
They could have been honest with it and everyone would have been ok with an albeit lower level of play but probably still entertaining event. Nah they just had to add fuel to the fire... | ||
Poopi
France12908 Posts
On January 22 2016 09:00 OveRtheStarS wrote: Definitely top 32 if you set your standards really low and forget Korea exists. I enjoy foreigners as much as the next person, but Polt and Hydra are basically being handed cakewalks based purely on geographical location. You realize there is a very low probability that either of them win the whole thing. | ||
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Gofarman
Canada646 Posts
On January 22 2016 03:28 DinoMight wrote: Facepalm.gif These are not the best 32 players in the world... these are the best 32 players in this stupid bubble created by Blizzard to foster local talent at the expense of match quality. Honestly Stuchiu was right. People might not like his ESPN article because it's negative, but this scene is declining fast. I have absolutely no desire to watch any tournament that doesn't at least have a couple of decent Koreans to set the bar. Otherwise I might as well just watch my friends play each other. The hilarious thing is that lots of people would be perfectly happen to do just that, but Blizzard ignored our requests for tournament support of any kind. Now that all the people that want to see compelling games, not necessarily the best players, have left they come around years too late. There is a reason that every successful sport has thriving semi-pro feeder leagues. | ||
Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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20-Minute-Jackal
United States336 Posts
On January 22 2016 09:00 OveRtheStarS wrote: Definitely top 32 if you set your standards really low and forget Korea exists. I enjoy foreigners as much as the next person, but Polt and Hydra are basically being handed cakewalks based purely on geographical location. I'm a bit confounded by this, if they're going to go to the effort to exclude Korea from all WCS Circuit events, why bother inviting Polt and Hydra? Sure they may not exclude them because they have residency, but why invite them instead of just requiring them to go through the qualifiers like the other 24 people? | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On January 22 2016 08:32 Horiken wrote: Idk why you want to watch Korean in foreign tournament so much. If you want to watch Korean, watch Korean tournament. You can do this everyday when proleague starts. They prepare for Korean tournament far better than foreign tournament. You can watch better quality game than foreign tournament. You should learn these Korean dominated scene is stupid and bad for this game. Blizzard is trying to change this. SC2 is the only community that likes Korean dominated scene. Learn how LoL community don't like Korean domination and their love for local team. Because the biggest hype in the history of SC2 was created when a foreigner was able to beat a Korean, even if it wasn't a grand finale match. And that's being taken away to give Polt and Hydra some easy money. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
But the difference is: Last year I could travel to Katovice, its not that expansive to travel there from Germany and see top Koreans playing against each other on a stage. And not only there, but also at Dreamhacks in Sweden, France and other europeen states, 2014 I could see strong Koreans like Patience 3 times a year in a league. When I know want to see Koreans live or even get a signing of them, I have to travel far far away to Korea. The outlaw of Koreas kills all the possibilty to meet your idols without a expensive travel commitment in a country, you have never been before. It is really frustrating and I am happy, that I could use the years 2014 and 2015 for that, just cutting it off, is really sad. I can cheer for Foreigners, but not for medicore ones. When you have 29 foreigners (I think Violet will qualify via US Server) at such a tournament, where you could see herO, INnoVation, Zest, Maru, $o$ and others, its just sad. And there is something else, that bugs me: Foreigners will not become better by beating foreigners. They will maintain their skill, but they cannot become better from just 100 games Polt and Hydra have to spent each month on the NA server. 2014 we had complete other sitiuation, foreigners could not make the money they can do now (as non top 16 koreans had the same problem in korea) but they could improve, after the old WoL foreigner generation left the scene, because they could only maintain their skill, but not improve like koreans, 2014 brought us a new generation of foreigners, who improved rapidly under the heavy pressure of koreans in EU. (Not mentioning NA scene, as they have been screwed over). Sure, we got good player here in EU, but not the best ones. When Blizzard wouldnt run these tournaments, but just pay Nerchio 70k+ $ (the amount of money he could earn this year in the circuit) and let him play in korea, I could see him becoming a sold GSL contender after a time. Sure we wouldnt have blizzard sponsored foreign only tournaments here in EU, but thats the only way to get foreigner to korean lvl. But at the moment, even when foreigner can beat top koreans sometimes online or offline, there is a very high skillgap, that cant be closes, when koreans stay in korea and foreigners never play them on a daily base. And the only time we had that daily base, was 2014 WCS EU. And whoever foreign SC II pro says, he can train and become better in this circuit instead of the WCS EU 2014, is just straight out lying. Maybe can now either make more money next to his university or can go full pro without having to worry about paying his flat and thats a good thing, but he will not become better of it. Combining the amount of earnable money of 2016 and the training of 2014 would have been the best. But for that, Blizzard would have to pay even more for the circuit and they dont want to do that. They better invest 4M in heroes, which doesnt even get 1/2 of the daily streamer viewers then SC II at the moment and their tournaments dont run well either. Else we will just see koreans losing their lvl, as orgs pull out, game dies. SC II will not even become something like BW on Afreeca, it will just vanish, when the Samsung, SKT, KT, CJ and Korean Airlines (Jin Air) leave the game 2018 or 2019. Then we have foreigners being the best player of the world. But that cant be the way to go. When koreans could play in the circuit, the korean scene would always survive, as there would always be korean players picked up by western orgs. But under this rules, I see GSL, SSL and SPL die in 2-3 years off (they would also die without the circuit rules in my Opinion) but with these rules, the korean scene will be gone. And with the korean scene, the high lvl of play will be gone. And that sucks to me. I think I will watch the Top 8 of Kato, as they should be off a good lvl, arround WCS 2015 top 8. At that point, the competition reaches a strong lvl. On the other days, there is CS:GO, Swedens and french man are still allowed to play, even when they are the strongest countries. On January 22 2016 09:20 20-Minute-Jackal wrote: I'm a bit confounded by this, if they're going to go to the effort to exclude Korea from all WCS Circuit events, why bother inviting Polt and Hydra? Sure they may not exclude them because they have residency, but why invite them instead of just requiring them to go through the qualifiers like the other 24 people? Because it would be against their own rules to not invite them. You cant just say "okay, you got residency, you are allowed to play, but you dont get invites even tho you are Nr 1 and 3 on the WCS 2015 no "non Visa Koreans"-List." Doing that would be super stupid. | ||
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PuddleZerg
United States82 Posts
Beating some Koreans once doesn't prove anything. Especially when it comes to that Nation wars performance. That said, I've been saying it since TB said it. We need something like SHOUTCraft back. Otherwise all this system is gonna do is have the BW scene all over again where the Koreans just smite everyone at Blizzcon even more so than they did last year. | ||
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DanielPopov1
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KtJ
United States3514 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
You know what Korea is? A saturated market. You know where Blizzard wants to market their games? With the rest of the 7 fucking billion people on this planet. If the Korean scene is too bloated to keep itself healthy, it should shed some of its dead weight. That's how things work. If the "experts" on this board are to be believed there are only 10 Koreans who are actually good anyway, so who cares about the rest? Otherwise let Kespa do something about it. That's their purpose, no? | ||
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scoo2r
Canada91 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On January 22 2016 08:10 Cyanocyst wrote: I for one have NEVER understood the appeal of college sports. Who cares who wins a tournament if you know the winner of that under league would just get wrecked by a pro or a pro team? I've never understood only watching 2nd rate kinds of competition. Passion and nostalgia I think. Margin of error is thinner, you got kids playing their hearts out instead of sometimes diva pros, and there really is a sense of community among school fan bases. Plus it brings many people back to their own college days. There's an emotional aspect to it. | ||
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