They are still excluded. To refer to the example I brought up before: Imagine if Federer/Djokovic/Murray/Nadal required permanent residency in Australia to play there.
On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote: Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017. And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ? Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD".
Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros.
(Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !)
Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror !
This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
This Is called WORLD though. I fail to see world . Or koreans don't live in the world région ?
Is CL CHAMPIONS LEAGUES ? If so it's not a WORLD league. ENGLISH PREMIER League is for only ENGLISH teams. yes.
So Intel extreme masters WORLD championship ? Hum...
Well, "Champion's league" doesn't consist of only champions too. Tournament organizers are free to market their tournament in a way they find the best. And btw, in case you missed it, koreans will play in IEM WORLD championshit. But actually you are right. If it's WORLD championship, ESL should invite a representative of every single nation in the world. Otherwise they will discriminate someone. Where are the Togolese ?
this is not a good argument
- there are 32 spots and more than 32 countries - it's not any country, it's the country that have the best players that's excluded here
1. It's his argument, not mine. 2. Korea is not excluded. 3. Have fun with the tournaments and stop whining.
1. does it matter? it's still bad reasoning. you failed at mirroring the situation, thus rendering the argument pointless 2. yes it is, by any sensible reading of the rules. the koreans playing are living in america 3. i don't want to watch dreamhack, that's the whole point
On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote: Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017. And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ? Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD".
Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros.
(Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !)
Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror !
This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
This Is called WORLD though. I fail to see world . Or koreans don't live in the world région ?
Is CL CHAMPIONS LEAGUES ? If so it's not a WORLD league. ENGLISH PREMIER League is for only ENGLISH teams. yes.
So Intel extreme masters WORLD championship ? Hum...
Well, "Champion's league" doesn't consist of only champions too. Tournament organizers are free to market their tournament in a way they find the best. And btw, in case you missed it, koreans will play in IEM WORLD championshit. But actually you are right. If it's WORLD championship, ESL should invite a representative of every single nation in the world. Otherwise they will discriminate someone. Where are the Togolese ?
this is not a good argument
- there are 32 spots and more than 32 countries - it's not any country, it's the country that have the best players that's excluded here
1. It's his argument, not mine. 2. Korea is not excluded. 3. Have fun with the tournaments and stop whining.
1. does it matter? it's still bad reasoning. you failed at mirroring the situation, thus rendering the argument pointless 2. yes it is, by any sensible reading of the rules. the koreans playing are living in america 3. i don't want to watch dreamhack, that's the whole point
They are still excluded. To refer to the example I brought up before: Imagine if Federer/Djokovic/Murray/Nadal required permanent residency in Australia to play there.
When we have the tennis infrastructure and money, then we can compare things. That is why I don't like comparing real life sports with SC2. The only reason I mentioned football above is because someone used a dumb analogy and I found it funny. The foreign scene needs a boost and I can't see anything wrong(or racist) with the current WCS rules. All of the good korean SC2 players that meet the requirements are invited. This is what I have to say.
OMFG stop using football as an analogy. Football has national leagues. We. Do. Not. Have. National. Leagues. What we have is a series of tournaments, that are restricted to the best players.
WCS tournaments are NOT national leagues neither a national league. If you want to use a football analogy - that's like banning last world champions from the Olympic Games because that wouldn't be fair to the rest of the world. (lets pretend that Olympic football isn't fucked up by age restriction and usually date restriction)
On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote: Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017. And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ? Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD".
Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros.
(Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !)
Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror !
This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
This Is called WORLD though. I fail to see world . Or koreans don't live in the world région ?
Is CL CHAMPIONS LEAGUES ? If so it's not a WORLD league. ENGLISH PREMIER League is for only ENGLISH teams. yes.
So Intel extreme masters WORLD championship ? Hum...
Well, "Champion's league" doesn't consist of only champions too. Tournament organizers are free to market their tournament in a way they find the best. And btw, in case you missed it, koreans will play in IEM WORLD championshit. But actually you are right. If it's WORLD championship, ESL should invite a representative of every single nation in the world. Otherwise they will discriminate someone. Where are the Togolese ?
this is not a good argument
- there are 32 spots and more than 32 countries - it's not any country, it's the country that have the best players that's excluded here
1. It's his argument, not mine. 2. Korea is not excluded. 3. Have fun with the tournaments and stop whining.
1. does it matter? it's still bad reasoning. you failed at mirroring the situation, thus rendering the argument pointless 2. yes it is, by any sensible reading of the rules. the koreans playing are living in america 3. i don't want to watch dreamhack, that's the whole point
They are still excluded. To refer to the example I brought up before: Imagine if Federer/Djokovic/Murray/Nadal required permanent residency in Australia to play there.
When we have the tennis infrastructure and money, then we can compare things. That is why I don't like comparing real life sports with SC2. The only reason I mentioned football above is because someone used a dumb analogy and I found it funny. The foreign scene needs a boost and I can't see anything wrong(or racist) with the current WCS rules. All of the good korean SC2 players that meet the requirements are invited. This is what I have to say.
Yes, but if that does mean that we are hurting Korean scene by boosting Foreigner scene, that's bad. It's like saying that I have no kidney at all and you have 2, how about you give me one so we both live and you cannot say no.
On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote: Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017. And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ? Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD".
Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros.
(Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !)
Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror !
This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
This Is called WORLD though. I fail to see world . Or koreans don't live in the world région ?
Is CL CHAMPIONS LEAGUES ? If so it's not a WORLD league. ENGLISH PREMIER League is for only ENGLISH teams. yes.
So Intel extreme masters WORLD championship ? Hum...
Well, "Champion's league" doesn't consist of only champions too. Tournament organizers are free to market their tournament in a way they find the best. And btw, in case you missed it, koreans will play in IEM WORLD championshit. But actually you are right. If it's WORLD championship, ESL should invite a representative of every single nation in the world. Otherwise they will discriminate someone. Where are the Togolese ?
this is not a good argument
- there are 32 spots and more than 32 countries - it's not any country, it's the country that have the best players that's excluded here
1. It's his argument, not mine. 2. Korea is not excluded. 3. Have fun with the tournaments and stop whining.
1. does it matter? it's still bad reasoning. you failed at mirroring the situation, thus rendering the argument pointless 2. yes it is, by any sensible reading of the rules. the koreans playing are living in america 3. i don't want to watch dreamhack, that's the whole point
1.That was my goal.
To make it clear: You took a good argument, copied the form and applied to another situation where the argument didn't make sense. That's super bad reasoning from YOU.
On January 22 2016 03:58 Bagration wrote: Not the best 32, but then again college sports in the US are immensely popular, when people know that the pro leagues are significantly better.
If these guys can give us entertaining close games, show that personality and creativity, it might not be too bad. Sometimes close entertaining games are better for a tournament than unleashing a couple of world class Koreans and getting a one-sided stomp and no surprises to who ends up lifting the trophy at the end.
interesting point, yet there is a college archon tournament coming up anyways... how many college leagues does the game need?
On January 22 2016 08:32 Horiken wrote: Idk why you want to watch Korean in foreign tournament so much. If you want to watch Korean, watch Korean tournament. You can do this everyday when proleague starts. They prepare for Korean tournament far better than foreign tournament. You can watch better quality game than foreign tournament.
You should learn these Korean dominated scene is stupid and bad for this game. Blizzard is trying to change this. SC2 is the only community that likes Korean dominated scene. Learn how LoL community don't like Korean domination and their love for local team.
There is something too this. Watching hots last blizzcon, it was crazy how much hype there was for the NA teams over any Asian team, especially DK.
Though I'll never understand it. Just because the local team is from your respective country, doesn't seem like a good reason to root for them. I mean i personally know both Korean players and Foreigners equally, that is to say not at all. So i might as well root for the players i think are more deserving based on their play.
The foreign scene does need to grow, for Sc2 to revive a bit. Though with this system, its going to look stupid when the all the foreigners who won all these championships through out the year, get wrecked at blizzcon.
In HotS NA and EU team actually compete so hype for local talents is easier to understand. In SC2 its quite different, its shameful to advertise a global tournament and exclude the country with the best players.
The promo is disrespectful with the korean players.
"You should learn these Korean dominated scene is stupid and bad for this game" "SC2 is the only community that likes Korean dominated scene" This doesn't make sense: if the community likes korean domination it shoudn't be bad for the game. Logic please. I understand that a good chunk of the community dislikes the domination, and its indeed bad for the game on the long run. But imo its still wrong to exclude them and shamefully pretend they don't exist in the promo.
On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote: Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017. And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ? Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD".
Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros.
(Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !)
Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror !
This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
This Is called WORLD though. I fail to see world . Or koreans don't live in the world région ?
Is CL CHAMPIONS LEAGUES ? If so it's not a WORLD league. ENGLISH PREMIER League is for only ENGLISH teams. yes.
So Intel extreme masters WORLD championship ? Hum...
Well, "Champion's league" doesn't consist of only champions too. Tournament organizers are free to market their tournament in a way they find the best. And btw, in case you missed it, koreans will play in IEM WORLD championshit. But actually you are right. If it's WORLD championship, ESL should invite a representative of every single nation in the world. Otherwise they will discriminate someone. Where are the Togolese ?
this is not a good argument
- there are 32 spots and more than 32 countries - it's not any country, it's the country that have the best players that's excluded here
1. It's his argument, not mine. 2. Korea is not excluded. 3. Have fun with the tournaments and stop whining.
1. does it matter? it's still bad reasoning. you failed at mirroring the situation, thus rendering the argument pointless 2. yes it is, by any sensible reading of the rules. the koreans playing are living in america 3. i don't want to watch dreamhack, that's the whole point
1.That was my goal.
To make it clear: You took a good argument, copied the form and applied to another situation where the argument didn't make sense. That's super bad reasoning from YOU.
Lol, he used fucking football leagues as an analogy to SC2... Then said that because some tournament has "world" in its name, this means it should represent the world (or at least his understanding of it). So that is the good argument that I ruined ? Well, I'm sorry.
On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote: Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017. And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ? Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
you could call it that, or you could think they'd appreciate an honest feedback of the community. it is a hot topic still. why are so many people annoyed of the debate and try to shut down any further discussion about it?
On January 22 2016 15:47 Incognoto wrote: Intel Extreme Welfare!
I think I would rather see no Starcraft at all rather than this watered down, racist version.
Gotta agree. My outlook on SC2 fans definitely went down a notch. As a brood war contributor, not once have I ever let the status of the scene get to me. I've also watched the majority of SC2 tournaments and remained positive towards SC2 as a whole. Honestly, you guys who mock sentences or support the doom and gloom method suck. Find a way to start showing positive support, that's how things improve. Be constructive with every comment. Don't join the ranks of the rest of these downers. Bottom line, you can take my advice and add real contributions to the scene or become the social justice warrior that boycotted the game until you had nothing left. SC2 isn't dead in my eyes, but quality SC2 fans are.
Lol!
Blizzard has forced a ridiculously unfair set up on all Korean players, and we're not even supposed to call it out for being unfair?
these new rules are completely and totally unfair and shit for Korean players. i am sorry but i don't think that i could even force myself to be positive about something so disgusting.
i've never condoned the dedgaem circlejerk, but now all Korean players are effectively PROHIBITED from participating in GLOBAL events.
i still can hardly believe that they actually went through with that
IEM is not to blame for this. You're arguing in all the wrong places. You can still support foreign players competing here while protesting the decision to block Koreans. And if you don't want to watch foreigners compete, then don't why bother posting in these threads? Your watered down trash posts aren't wanted here.
I like what you said here, that sums up my feelings. I don't like the new system and of course i will still watch
Starcraft content and tournaments are great fun, and I love people invest the money and time to put them on. I just don't agree with the direction the leaders are taking it.
On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote: Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017. And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ? Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD".
Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros.
(Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !)
Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror !
This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
This Is called WORLD though. I fail to see world . Or koreans don't live in the world région ?
Is CL CHAMPIONS LEAGUES ? If so it's not a WORLD league. ENGLISH PREMIER League is for only ENGLISH teams. yes.
So Intel extreme masters WORLD championship ? Hum...
Well, "Champion's league" doesn't consist of only champions too. Tournament organizers are free to market their tournament in a way they find the best. And btw, in case you missed it, koreans will play in IEM WORLD championshit. But actually you are right. If it's WORLD championship, ESL should invite a representative of every single nation in the world. Otherwise they will discriminate someone. Where are the Togolese ?
this is not a good argument
- there are 32 spots and more than 32 countries - it's not any country, it's the country that have the best players that's excluded here
1. It's his argument, not mine. 2. Korea is not excluded. 3. Have fun with the tournaments and stop whining.
1. An argument cannot be conducted by only one person. 2. Korea IS excluded (Koreans that play there are representative of America since they have american athletes visa and american residency). 3. Well if this is whinning then everything that goes contrary to a beliefe/opinion is whining.
But hey. We can agree on that we don't agree together if you prefer.
On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote: Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017. And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ? Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD".
Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros.
(Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !)
Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror !
This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
Imagine if La Liga was only for Spanish players Or serie a only for Italians Etc etc
or more precisely to the topic, imagine the soccer world cup without Brazil
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