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On January 22 2016 17:40 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 17:36 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 17:29 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 17:18 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 16:59 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 16:52 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 13:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I respect the people defending IEM and the Sc2 scene in general, we do need something positive to keep the scene going in these dark times.
But bottom line I haven't watched a single Sc2 game since this happened, this current system is nothing short of a very unfunny joke Can you please remind me which tournaments so far that have been affected by the WCS change. DreamHack, IEM, and Red Bull. Are those tournaments that HAVE been affected, or WILL be affected? He stated that WCS had already had an influence on him watching SC2. However, according to Liquipedia Koreans such as: SoO, Fantasy, Innovation, Bomber, TY and Solar participated in the last IEM and Dreamhack. HAVE been affected. Last year had different rules. Now the new rule is: "Koreans, go home". Yes i'm quite aware of the current rules. My point is that this dude said that WCS had already had an impact on the SC2 he watched. However, not a single tournament so far has been affected. The first tournament to be affected by the new WCS system is yet to start, and consequently it is bullshit to say that he watched less SC2 because of WCS. Neither Dreamhack or IEM have at this point been affected, quite simply because they haven't yet been played. There were regional qualification without a qualification for the Korean slots. Is a qualification part of the tournament? Not sure whether it qualifies or not :-)
I think this is actually beside the point, but if you want to be nitpicking, none of the regional qualifiers that have been played have been affected by Koreans, because Koreans wasn't allowed to play in those qualifiers in the first place. The fact that Koreans all together didn't get to play didn't have an impact on a specific qualifier.
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On January 22 2016 09:05 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 09:00 OveRtheStarS wrote:
Definitely top 32 if you set your standards really low and forget Korea exists. I enjoy foreigners as much as the next person, but Polt and Hydra are basically being handed cakewalks based purely on geographical location. You realize there is a very low probability that either of them win the whole thing.
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 22 2016 17:47 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 17:40 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 17:36 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 17:29 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 17:18 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 16:59 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 16:52 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 13:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I respect the people defending IEM and the Sc2 scene in general, we do need something positive to keep the scene going in these dark times.
But bottom line I haven't watched a single Sc2 game since this happened, this current system is nothing short of a very unfunny joke Can you please remind me which tournaments so far that have been affected by the WCS change. DreamHack, IEM, and Red Bull. Are those tournaments that HAVE been affected, or WILL be affected? He stated that WCS had already had an influence on him watching SC2. However, according to Liquipedia Koreans such as: SoO, Fantasy, Innovation, Bomber, TY and Solar participated in the last IEM and Dreamhack. HAVE been affected. Last year had different rules. Now the new rule is: "Koreans, go home". Yes i'm quite aware of the current rules. My point is that this dude said that WCS had already had an impact on the SC2 he watched. However, not a single tournament so far has been affected. The first tournament to be affected by the new WCS system is yet to start, and consequently it is bullshit to say that he watched less SC2 because of WCS. Neither Dreamhack or IEM have at this point been affected, quite simply because they haven't yet been played. There were regional qualification without a qualification for the Korean slots. Is a qualification part of the tournament? Not sure whether it qualifies or not :-) I think this is actually beside the point, but if you want to be nitpicking, none of the regional qualifiers that have been played have been affected by Koreans, because Koreans wasn't allowed to play in those qualifiers in the first place. The fact that Koreans all together didn't get to play didn't have an impact on a specific qualifier.
Not sure if I follow your logic. You asked for a tournament which was affected by new WCS rules. I gave you a part of a tournament that was affected by new WCS rules. And now you are talking about players not playing not affecting... dafuq? Maybe it's because it's Friday morning, but the fact is that there is 1 tournament right now affected by WCS rules that has been partially played.
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On January 22 2016 17:59 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 17:47 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 17:40 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 17:36 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 17:29 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 17:18 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 16:59 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 16:52 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 13:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I respect the people defending IEM and the Sc2 scene in general, we do need something positive to keep the scene going in these dark times.
But bottom line I haven't watched a single Sc2 game since this happened, this current system is nothing short of a very unfunny joke Can you please remind me which tournaments so far that have been affected by the WCS change. DreamHack, IEM, and Red Bull. Are those tournaments that HAVE been affected, or WILL be affected? He stated that WCS had already had an influence on him watching SC2. However, according to Liquipedia Koreans such as: SoO, Fantasy, Innovation, Bomber, TY and Solar participated in the last IEM and Dreamhack. HAVE been affected. Last year had different rules. Now the new rule is: "Koreans, go home". Yes i'm quite aware of the current rules. My point is that this dude said that WCS had already had an impact on the SC2 he watched. However, not a single tournament so far has been affected. The first tournament to be affected by the new WCS system is yet to start, and consequently it is bullshit to say that he watched less SC2 because of WCS. Neither Dreamhack or IEM have at this point been affected, quite simply because they haven't yet been played. There were regional qualification without a qualification for the Korean slots. Is a qualification part of the tournament? Not sure whether it qualifies or not :-) I think this is actually beside the point, but if you want to be nitpicking, none of the regional qualifiers that have been played have been affected by Koreans, because Koreans wasn't allowed to play in those qualifiers in the first place. The fact that Koreans all together didn't get to play didn't have an impact on a specific qualifier. Not sure if I follow your logic. You asked for a tournament which was affected by new WCS rules. I gave you a part of a tournament that was affected by new WCS rules. And now you are talking about players not playing not affecting... dafuq? Maybe it's because it's Friday morning, but the fact is that there is 1 tournament right now affected by WCS rules that has been partially played.
Yes you are right. The qualificers as a whole has been affected by the lack of Koreans, but none of the qualifiers in specific were affected, because the Koreans might not have played in that specific qualifier regardless. It's like having 4 glasses of water and 1 glass of cola. If you remove the 1 glass of cola you might have changed the overall qualities of the liquid contained in your glasses, but you didn't change the qualities of the water contained in any of your remaining 4 glasses of water.
EDIT:
By anyway, you are right that WCS have actually affected the scene. I was quite honestly not aware of the qualifiers. That being said, the influence so far IS limited to said qualifiers, which might not even have been broadcasted.
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On January 22 2016 18:11 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 17:59 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 17:47 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 17:40 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 17:36 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 17:29 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 17:18 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 16:59 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 16:52 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 13:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I respect the people defending IEM and the Sc2 scene in general, we do need something positive to keep the scene going in these dark times.
But bottom line I haven't watched a single Sc2 game since this happened, this current system is nothing short of a very unfunny joke Can you please remind me which tournaments so far that have been affected by the WCS change. DreamHack, IEM, and Red Bull. Are those tournaments that HAVE been affected, or WILL be affected? He stated that WCS had already had an influence on him watching SC2. However, according to Liquipedia Koreans such as: SoO, Fantasy, Innovation, Bomber, TY and Solar participated in the last IEM and Dreamhack. HAVE been affected. Last year had different rules. Now the new rule is: "Koreans, go home". Yes i'm quite aware of the current rules. My point is that this dude said that WCS had already had an impact on the SC2 he watched. However, not a single tournament so far has been affected. The first tournament to be affected by the new WCS system is yet to start, and consequently it is bullshit to say that he watched less SC2 because of WCS. Neither Dreamhack or IEM have at this point been affected, quite simply because they haven't yet been played. There were regional qualification without a qualification for the Korean slots. Is a qualification part of the tournament? Not sure whether it qualifies or not :-) I think this is actually beside the point, but if you want to be nitpicking, none of the regional qualifiers that have been played have been affected by Koreans, because Koreans wasn't allowed to play in those qualifiers in the first place. The fact that Koreans all together didn't get to play didn't have an impact on a specific qualifier. Not sure if I follow your logic. You asked for a tournament which was affected by new WCS rules. I gave you a part of a tournament that was affected by new WCS rules. And now you are talking about players not playing not affecting... dafuq? Maybe it's because it's Friday morning, but the fact is that there is 1 tournament right now affected by WCS rules that has been partially played. Yes you are right. The qualificers as a whole has been affected by the lack of Koreans, but none of the qualifiers in specific were affected, because the Koreans might not have played in that specific qualifier regardless. It's like having 4 glasses of water and 1 glass of cola. If you remove the 1 glass of cola you might have changed the overall qualities of the liquid contained in your glasses, but you didn't change the qualities of the water contained in any of your remaining 4 glasses of water.
Oh, you are going this way. OK, now I see what you mean.
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On January 22 2016 18:11 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 17:59 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 17:47 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 17:40 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 17:36 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 17:29 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 17:18 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 16:59 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 16:52 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 13:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I respect the people defending IEM and the Sc2 scene in general, we do need something positive to keep the scene going in these dark times.
But bottom line I haven't watched a single Sc2 game since this happened, this current system is nothing short of a very unfunny joke Can you please remind me which tournaments so far that have been affected by the WCS change. DreamHack, IEM, and Red Bull. Are those tournaments that HAVE been affected, or WILL be affected? He stated that WCS had already had an influence on him watching SC2. However, according to Liquipedia Koreans such as: SoO, Fantasy, Innovation, Bomber, TY and Solar participated in the last IEM and Dreamhack. HAVE been affected. Last year had different rules. Now the new rule is: "Koreans, go home". Yes i'm quite aware of the current rules. My point is that this dude said that WCS had already had an impact on the SC2 he watched. However, not a single tournament so far has been affected. The first tournament to be affected by the new WCS system is yet to start, and consequently it is bullshit to say that he watched less SC2 because of WCS. Neither Dreamhack or IEM have at this point been affected, quite simply because they haven't yet been played. There were regional qualification without a qualification for the Korean slots. Is a qualification part of the tournament? Not sure whether it qualifies or not :-) I think this is actually beside the point, but if you want to be nitpicking, none of the regional qualifiers that have been played have been affected by Koreans, because Koreans wasn't allowed to play in those qualifiers in the first place. The fact that Koreans all together didn't get to play didn't have an impact on a specific qualifier. Not sure if I follow your logic. You asked for a tournament which was affected by new WCS rules. I gave you a part of a tournament that was affected by new WCS rules. And now you are talking about players not playing not affecting... dafuq? Maybe it's because it's Friday morning, but the fact is that there is 1 tournament right now affected by WCS rules that has been partially played. Yes you are right. The qualificers as a whole has been affected by the lack of Koreans, but none of the qualifiers in specific were affected, because the Koreans might not have played in that specific qualifier regardless. It's like having 4 glasses of water and 1 glass of cola. If you remove the 1 glass of cola you might have changed the overall qualities of the liquid contained in your glasses, but you didn't change the qualities of the water contained in any of your remaining 4 glasses of water. EDIT: But anyway, you are right that WCS have actually affected the scene. I was quite honestly not aware of the qualifiers. That being said, the influence so far IS limited to said qualifiers, which might not even have been broadcasted.
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On January 22 2016 18:11 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 17:59 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 17:47 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 17:40 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 17:36 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 17:29 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 17:18 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 16:59 WrathSCII wrote:On January 22 2016 16:52 Prog455 wrote:On January 22 2016 13:07 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
I respect the people defending IEM and the Sc2 scene in general, we do need something positive to keep the scene going in these dark times.
But bottom line I haven't watched a single Sc2 game since this happened, this current system is nothing short of a very unfunny joke Can you please remind me which tournaments so far that have been affected by the WCS change. DreamHack, IEM, and Red Bull. Are those tournaments that HAVE been affected, or WILL be affected? He stated that WCS had already had an influence on him watching SC2. However, according to Liquipedia Koreans such as: SoO, Fantasy, Innovation, Bomber, TY and Solar participated in the last IEM and Dreamhack. HAVE been affected. Last year had different rules. Now the new rule is: "Koreans, go home". Yes i'm quite aware of the current rules. My point is that this dude said that WCS had already had an impact on the SC2 he watched. However, not a single tournament so far has been affected. The first tournament to be affected by the new WCS system is yet to start, and consequently it is bullshit to say that he watched less SC2 because of WCS. Neither Dreamhack or IEM have at this point been affected, quite simply because they haven't yet been played. There were regional qualification without a qualification for the Korean slots. Is a qualification part of the tournament? Not sure whether it qualifies or not :-) I think this is actually beside the point, but if you want to be nitpicking, none of the regional qualifiers that have been played have been affected by Koreans, because Koreans wasn't allowed to play in those qualifiers in the first place. The fact that Koreans all together didn't get to play didn't have an impact on a specific qualifier. Not sure if I follow your logic. You asked for a tournament which was affected by new WCS rules. I gave you a part of a tournament that was affected by new WCS rules. And now you are talking about players not playing not affecting... dafuq? Maybe it's because it's Friday morning, but the fact is that there is 1 tournament right now affected by WCS rules that has been partially played. Yes you are right. The qualificers as a whole has been affected by the lack of Koreans, but none of the qualifiers in specific were affected, because the Koreans might not have played in that specific qualifier regardless. It's like having 4 glasses of water and 1 glass of cola. If you remove the 1 glass of cola you might have changed the overall qualities of the liquid contained in your glasses, but you didn't change the qualities of the water contained in any of your remaining 4 glasses of water. EDIT: By anyway, you are right that WCS have actually affected the scene. I was quite honestly not aware of the qualifiers. That being said, the influence so far IS limited to said qualifiers, which might not even have been broadcasted.
For what it's worth, IEM KR / Asia qualifiers were always a pretty big deal for me, and were broadcast most of the time. In particular, Katowice ones were fully open to any region last year (and 2014 maybe? Not sure), and gave us some of the most stacked online events we've ever seen. IEM Qualifiers were often more enjoyable for me than the main events.
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On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote:
Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017.
And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ?
Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD".
Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros.
(Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !)
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On January 22 2016 11:54 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 11:30 DeadByDawn wrote:On January 22 2016 10:56 Rehio wrote:
I hate how this entire thread has turned into mocking a single sentence. Yep - there is a lot of toxicity and entitlement in these forums. Looking forward to seeing the games, especially Polt and Bunny. Gotta agree. My outlook on SC2 fans definitely went down a notch. As a brood war contributor, not once have I ever let the status of the scene get to me. I've also watched the majority of SC2 tournaments and remained positive towards SC2 as a whole. Honestly, you guys who mock sentences or support the doom and gloom method suck. Find a way to start showing positive support, that's how things improve. Be constructive with every comment. Don't join the ranks of the rest of these downers. Bottom line, you can take my advice and add real contributions to the scene or become the social justice warrior that boycotted the game until you had nothing left. SC2 isn't dead in my eyes, but quality SC2 fans are.
I am the optimism pimp kneel before me.
All you people that feel negative about things that upset you are bitches.
Never show how upset you are and only be optimistic under the wing of the optimism pimp and things will definetly improve most certainly won't be just you lying to yourselves.
Do as the pimp says with every comment. Don't succumb to the need of talking about what makes you upset, just pretend it's not a problem.
You can pick the red pill and make constructive comments about how people who say they are upset are sad assholes or you can take the blue pill and die from ebola.
There is nothing wrong with saying you are upset.
Hell if it's about viewership then that is constructive feedback - ME NO LIKE, ME NO WATCH
I like watching korean scene more then foreigner scene
I am going to watch both the IEM and Dramhack and the wcs when it starts running And I am going to ENJOY them. I know this because I like to watch starcraft. That doesn't mean I like the changes or that I will not complain about them.
I was a 100% fine with WCS being locked for koreans. I am not fine with this because it screws korea.
Korea isn't just part of the sc2 world or where the top players are.
Korea has the most active( and wannabe) progamers compared to any other region.
So anything that damages the koreans scene damages them.
Progamers are being screw simply because of where they were born.
This upsets me and I will express my opinion on it.
If you are an optimist then more power to you, but you don't get to talk down to people who aren't.
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On January 22 2016 18:43 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote:
Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017.
And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ?
Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD". Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros. (Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !)
Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror !
This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
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On January 22 2016 18:50 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 18:43 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote:
Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017.
And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ?
Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD". Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros. (Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !) Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror ! This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
Imagine if La Liga was only for Spanish players
Or serie a only for Italians
Etc etc
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On January 22 2016 18:59 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 18:50 Pr0wler wrote:On January 22 2016 18:43 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote:
Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017.
And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ?
Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD". Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros. (Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !) Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror ! This whining is just the funniest thing ever. Imagine if La Liga was only for Spanish players Or serie a only for Italians Etc etc
Nobody stops Koreans from participating in WCS. Polt and Hydra are doing it... They just have to live in the region.
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On January 22 2016 19:08 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 18:59 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On January 22 2016 18:50 Pr0wler wrote:On January 22 2016 18:43 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote:
Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017.
And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ?
Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD". Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros. (Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !) Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror ! This whining is just the funniest thing ever. Imagine if La Liga was only for Spanish players Or serie a only for Italians Etc etc Nobody stops Koreans from participating in WCS. Polt and Hydra are doing it... They just have to live in the region.
"The Region" aka "the entire world sans South Korea"
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On January 22 2016 16:05 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 15:54 Nomzter wrote:
So its a "personality" tournament? Why aren't Winter, Destiny, Day9 etc invited? Is it? Or is it like the OP, based on wcs points and these are the best non Korean players? These players are pouring ridiculous amounts of effort into practicing LOTV and you guys have spent the entire thread trashing them. Why would any foreign player be motivated to play for such terrible fans? We need to start cultivating a positive atmosphere again.
Yeah i feel like you are right. Let´s just wait for this tournament and DH, maybe some people will be surprised by
the games, maybe not. But very true, i wouldn´t be really happy to see such negativety as a foreigner, then again,
they should probably avoid TL with the strong korean bias.
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edit : nevermind, firegod's gonna make it during the qualifier
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On January 22 2016 04:04 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:
but won't lilbow be practising for Warcraft 4?
lmfao. my thoughts exactly
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Being punished and/or excluded just because of where you were born is flat out racist if you ask me
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On January 22 2016 16:44 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 16:01 BisuDagger wrote:On January 22 2016 15:47 Incognoto wrote:Intel Extreme Welfare! I think I would rather see no Starcraft at all rather than this watered down, racist version. Gotta agree. My outlook on SC2 fans definitely went down a notch. As a brood war contributor, not once have I ever let the status of the scene get to me. I've also watched the majority of SC2 tournaments and remained positive towards SC2 as a whole. Honestly, you guys who mock sentences or support the doom and gloom method suck. Find a way to start showing positive support, that's how things improve. Be constructive with every comment. Don't join the ranks of the rest of these downers. Bottom line, you can take my advice and add real contributions to the scene or become the social justice warrior that boycotted the game until you had nothing left. SC2 isn't dead in my eyes, but quality SC2 fans are. Lol! Blizzard has forced a ridiculously unfair set up on all Korean players, and we're not even supposed to call it out for being unfair? these new rules are completely and totally unfair and shit for Korean players. i am sorry but i don't think that i could even force myself to be positive about something so disgusting. i've never condoned the dedgaem circlejerk, but now all Korean players are effectively PROHIBITED from participating in GLOBAL events. i still can hardly believe that they actually went through with that IEM is not to blame for this. You're arguing in all the wrong places. You can still support foreign players competing here while protesting the decision to block Koreans. And if you don't want to watch foreigners compete, then don't why bother posting in these threads? Your watered down trash posts aren't wanted here. The fact is that this is decision of Blizzard who consulted it with several foreigner team owners/leaders(e.g. CatZ). The fact is that Blizzard in the longterm don't know what they want(drastic changes each year).
Just wanted to say that CatZ actually wanted the 2015 system back again, maybe with a regulation on the number of Korean players that can play in NA/EU, but he considered the 2015 system healthy. He certainly didn't want to lock them out of DH/IEM and his biggest change would've been to make the ladder meaningful and incorporate it into the WCS system.
He wrote a lot about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/497233-10-pages-on-wcs-region-lock-and-ladder-by-catz.
I think you are pointing in the wrong direction. We also know that TB also spoke to them, but was completely ignored, so I'm not sure who's feedback they took, because all the pros seemed to be surprised about this change.
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On January 22 2016 20:10 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 16:44 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 16:01 BisuDagger wrote:On January 22 2016 15:47 Incognoto wrote:Intel Extreme Welfare! I think I would rather see no Starcraft at all rather than this watered down, racist version. Gotta agree. My outlook on SC2 fans definitely went down a notch. As a brood war contributor, not once have I ever let the status of the scene get to me. I've also watched the majority of SC2 tournaments and remained positive towards SC2 as a whole. Honestly, you guys who mock sentences or support the doom and gloom method suck. Find a way to start showing positive support, that's how things improve. Be constructive with every comment. Don't join the ranks of the rest of these downers. Bottom line, you can take my advice and add real contributions to the scene or become the social justice warrior that boycotted the game until you had nothing left. SC2 isn't dead in my eyes, but quality SC2 fans are. Lol! Blizzard has forced a ridiculously unfair set up on all Korean players, and we're not even supposed to call it out for being unfair? these new rules are completely and totally unfair and shit for Korean players. i am sorry but i don't think that i could even force myself to be positive about something so disgusting. i've never condoned the dedgaem circlejerk, but now all Korean players are effectively PROHIBITED from participating in GLOBAL events. i still can hardly believe that they actually went through with that IEM is not to blame for this. You're arguing in all the wrong places. You can still support foreign players competing here while protesting the decision to block Koreans. And if you don't want to watch foreigners compete, then don't why bother posting in these threads? Your watered down trash posts aren't wanted here. The fact is that this is decision of Blizzard who consulted it with several foreigner team owners/leaders(e.g. CatZ). The fact is that Blizzard in the longterm don't know what they want(drastic changes each year). Just wanted to say that CatZ actually wanted the 2015 system back again, maybe with a regulation on the number of Korean players that can play in NA/EU, but he considered the 2015 system healthy. He certainly didn't want to lock them out of DH/IEM and his biggest change would've been to make the ladder meaningful and incorporate it into the WCS system. He wrote a lot about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/497233-10-pages-on-wcs-region-lock-and-ladder-by-catz. I think you are pointing in the wrong direction. We also know that TB also spoke to them, but was completely ignored, so I'm not sure who's feedback they took, because all the pros seemed to be surprised about this change.
They took ESL and Dreamhack feedback. Only thing that makes sense.
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