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On January 22 2016 20:16 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 20:10 Musicus wrote:On January 22 2016 16:44 deacon.frost wrote:On January 22 2016 16:01 BisuDagger wrote:On January 22 2016 15:47 Incognoto wrote:Intel Extreme Welfare! I think I would rather see no Starcraft at all rather than this watered down, racist version. Gotta agree. My outlook on SC2 fans definitely went down a notch. As a brood war contributor, not once have I ever let the status of the scene get to me. I've also watched the majority of SC2 tournaments and remained positive towards SC2 as a whole. Honestly, you guys who mock sentences or support the doom and gloom method suck. Find a way to start showing positive support, that's how things improve. Be constructive with every comment. Don't join the ranks of the rest of these downers. Bottom line, you can take my advice and add real contributions to the scene or become the social justice warrior that boycotted the game until you had nothing left. SC2 isn't dead in my eyes, but quality SC2 fans are. Lol! Blizzard has forced a ridiculously unfair set up on all Korean players, and we're not even supposed to call it out for being unfair? these new rules are completely and totally unfair and shit for Korean players. i am sorry but i don't think that i could even force myself to be positive about something so disgusting. i've never condoned the dedgaem circlejerk, but now all Korean players are effectively PROHIBITED from participating in GLOBAL events. i still can hardly believe that they actually went through with that IEM is not to blame for this. You're arguing in all the wrong places. You can still support foreign players competing here while protesting the decision to block Koreans. And if you don't want to watch foreigners compete, then don't why bother posting in these threads? Your watered down trash posts aren't wanted here. The fact is that this is decision of Blizzard who consulted it with several foreigner team owners/leaders(e.g. CatZ). The fact is that Blizzard in the longterm don't know what they want(drastic changes each year). Just wanted to say that CatZ actually wanted the 2015 system back again, maybe with a regulation on the number of Korean players that can play in NA/EU, but he considered the 2015 system healthy. He certainly didn't want to lock them out of DH/IEM and his biggest change would've been to make the ladder meaningful and incorporate it into the WCS system. He wrote a lot about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/497233-10-pages-on-wcs-region-lock-and-ladder-by-catz. I think you are pointing in the wrong direction. We also know that TB also spoke to them, but was completely ignored, so I'm not sure who's feedback they took, because all the pros seemed to be surprised about this change. They took ESL and Dreamhack feedback. Only thing that makes sense.
Well, their hand was a bit forced because ESL dropped the separate studio format.
What they should implement imo, like I said before, is to make sure there are at least some truly global lans besides Blizzcon.
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"The 32 best StarCraft II players in the world" if you exclude 32 better players rofl.
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World championship in starcraft 2
invites only european players
kek
On January 22 2016 09:19 Caihead wrote:
Everybody is acting as if Blizzard just destroyed the scene, the truth is so far from that.
Blizzard just regulates and supports the WCS system
Everybody is acting as if Blizzard's just destroying the scene with the WCS system
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
The initial eight players are receiving their invites based on their standings in the 2015 WCS ranking
That's just absurd. You completely revamp the entire WCS system and have everyone start from scratch - but you seed players based on WCS 2015 rankings? I don't even know who comes up with these rules.
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On January 22 2016 20:33 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +The initial eight players are receiving their invites based on their standings in the 2015 WCS ranking That's just absurd. You completely revamp the entire WCS system and have everyone start from scratch - but you seed players based on WCS 2015 rankings? I don't even know who comes up with these rules.
It's even more stupid because it's a new game too ~_~.
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To think that this is how DH and IEM player lists will look from now on... T.T
Dunno if I wanna laugh or cry about the ridiculous "best 32 players in the worls" statement. I usually try to be optimistic and stay away from making negative posts, but damn... this is really rough 
My only consolation is that Hydra chose not to return to Korea. HAIL HYDRA! :D
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This sure is very disappointing (even more with this PR statement), but as some say, bear with the bright side: the games will most likely be very nice to watch anyway, so just enjoy all of it!
Cheers for Korean in the couple GSL and SSL they have (and in PL also), and shout out for all the foreigners the rest of the time.
We are all hoping for a better system (except for the ones profiting from this one, but unfortunately business is still business), so we'll see what happens. But this is certainly not the place to be angry for change.
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on air right now:
GSL code A: the 60 best koreans fight to death, fail and you have a two month break, 10k viewers
DH leipzig: some euromericans play kr-free games, 900 viewers
if this carries over to other tournaments, blizzard has basically succeeded very well with making things as hard as possible for koreans and ruining things for the viewers at the same time
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On January 22 2016 08:32 Horiken wrote:
Idk why you want to watch Korean in foreign tournament so much. If you want to watch Korean, watch Korean tournament. You can do this everyday when proleague starts. They prepare for Korean tournament far better than foreign tournament. You can watch better quality game than foreign tournament.
You should learn these Korean dominated scene is stupid and bad for this game. Blizzard is trying to change this. SC2 is the only community that likes Korean dominated scene. Learn how LoL community don't like Korean domination and their love for local team.
There is something too this. Watching hots last blizzcon, it was crazy how much hype there was for the NA teams over any Asian team, especially DK.
Though I'll never understand it. Just because the local team is from your respective country, doesn't seem like a good reason to root for them. I mean i personally know both Korean players and Foreigners equally, that is to say not at all. So i might as well root for the players i think are more deserving based on their play.
The foreign scene does need to grow, for Sc2 to revive a bit. Though with this system, its going to look stupid when the all the foreigners who won all these championships through out the year, get wrecked at blizzcon.
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On January 22 2016 21:30 Cyanocyst wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 08:32 Horiken wrote:
Idk why you want to watch Korean in foreign tournament so much. If you want to watch Korean, watch Korean tournament. You can do this everyday when proleague starts. They prepare for Korean tournament far better than foreign tournament. You can watch better quality game than foreign tournament.
You should learn these Korean dominated scene is stupid and bad for this game. Blizzard is trying to change this. SC2 is the only community that likes Korean dominated scene. Learn how LoL community don't like Korean domination and their love for local team. There is something too this. Watching hots last blizzcon, it was crazy how much hype there was for the NA teams over any Asian team, especially DK. Though I'll never understand it. Just because the local team is from your respective country, doesn't seem like a good reason to root for them. I mean i personally know both Korean players and Foreigners equally, that is to say not at all. So i might as well root for the players i think are more deserving based on their play. The foreign scene does need to grow, for Sc2 to revive a bit. Though with this system, its going to look stupid when the all the foreigners who won all these championships through out the year, get wrecked at blizzcon.
I agree, such matches create an insane hype if an NA team faces an Asian team. (I would disagree that it happens otherwise. HotS was pretty much non-existent throughout 2015 until Blizzcon happened, imo) And that's the problem with the new format in SC2: Such hype matches are going to happen in (probably) one tournament throughout the entirety of 2016.
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On January 22 2016 08:32 Horiken wrote:
Idk why you want to watch Korean in foreign tournament so much. If you want to watch Korean, watch Korean tournament. You can do this everyday when proleague starts. They prepare for Korean tournament far better than foreign tournament. You can watch better quality game than foreign tournament.
You should learn these Korean dominated scene is stupid and bad for this game. Blizzard is trying to change this. SC2 is the only community that likes Korean dominated scene. Learn how LoL community don't like Korean domination and their love for local team.
I just want to point out that watching Korean tournaments live and being able to write in LR and being able to not read spoilers on TL counts. And Korean tournaments have bad air time for EU and even worse for NA. So many people are actually happy that they can wathc a korean live and don't risk a job for it.
Also, for some of some who travel to tournaments(well traveled, no reason to go there anymore) - it is much easier to see top Korean players live in local tournaments than travel to Korea. Also it's cheaper.
So, how about this?
Edit> Obviously it was much easier, now I will have IEM without herO or Taeja. Great.
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On January 22 2016 21:13 neptunusfisk wrote:
on air right now:
GSL code A: the 60 best koreans fight to death, fail and you have a two month break, 10k viewers
DH leipzig: some euromericans play kr-free games, 900 viewers
if this carries over to other tournaments, blizzard has basically succeeded very well with making things as hard as possible for koreans and ruining things for the viewers at the same time
dreamhack stream starts after gsl code A is over. 10k viewers for the first group stages. wooops.
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Think I'll be fine so long as the foreigners aren't so hyped up at Blizzcon. Dreamhack? IEM? These won't be a legit opportunity for a progamer to prove him/herself anymore. Only Blizzcon, but is it really possible, when foreigners haven't been competing with Koreans for most of the year? Right now, a foreign protoss player just lost 12 proves to a measly hellion drop, (DK: adept nerf canceled Terran op) while Classic and Seed wipes the floor with Terrans using mass adept
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On January 22 2016 18:50 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 18:43 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote:
Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017.
And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ?
Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD". Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros. (Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !) Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror ! This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
This Is called WORLD though. I fail to see world . Or koreans don't live in the world région ?
Is CL CHAMPIONS LEAGUES ? If so it's not a WORLD league. ENGLISH PREMIER League is for only ENGLISH teams. yes.
So Intel extreme masters WORLD championship ? Hum...
On January 22 2016 18:50 Pr0wler wrote:Hahah
Indeed
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On January 22 2016 22:47 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 21:13 neptunusfisk wrote:
on air right now:
GSL code A: the 60 best koreans fight to death, fail and you have a two month break, 10k viewers
DH leipzig: some euromericans play kr-free games, 900 viewers
if this carries over to other tournaments, blizzard has basically succeeded very well with making things as hard as possible for koreans and ruining things for the viewers at the same time dreamhack stream starts after gsl code A is over. 10k viewers for the first group stages. wooops.
don't worry, the viewers will drop off when firecake starts playing
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On January 22 2016 22:57 FFW_Rude wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 18:50 Pr0wler wrote:On January 22 2016 18:43 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote:
Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017.
And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ?
Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD". Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros. (Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !) Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror ! This whining is just the funniest thing ever. This Is called WORLD though. I fail to see world . Or koreans don't live in the world région ? Is CL CHAMPIONS LEAGUES ? If so it's not a WORLD league. ENGLISH PREMIER League is for only ENGLISH teams. yes. So Intel extreme masters WORLD championship ? Hum...
Well, "Champion's league" doesn't consist of only champions too. Tournament organizers are free to market their tournament in a way they find the best. And btw, in case you missed it, koreans will play in IEM WORLD championshit.
But actually you are right. If it's WORLD championship, ESL should invite a representative of every single nation in the world. Otherwise they will discriminate someone. Where are the Togolese ?
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On January 22 2016 23:14 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 22:57 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 22 2016 18:50 Pr0wler wrote:On January 22 2016 18:43 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote:
Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017.
And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ?
Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD". Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros. (Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !) Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror ! This whining is just the funniest thing ever. This Is called WORLD though. I fail to see world . Or koreans don't live in the world région ? Is CL CHAMPIONS LEAGUES ? If so it's not a WORLD league. ENGLISH PREMIER League is for only ENGLISH teams. yes. So Intel extreme masters WORLD championship ? Hum... Well, "Champion's league" doesn't consist of only champions too. Tournament organizers are free to market their tournament in a way they find the best. And btw, in case you missed it, koreans will play in IEM WORLD championshit. But actually you are right. If it's WORLD championship, ESL should invite a representative of every single nation in the world. Otherwise they will discriminate someone. Where are the Togolese ?
this is not a good argument
- there are 32 spots and more than 32 countries
- it's not any country, it's the country that have the best players that's excluded here
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On January 22 2016 23:25 neptunusfisk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 23:14 Pr0wler wrote:On January 22 2016 22:57 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 22 2016 18:50 Pr0wler wrote:On January 22 2016 18:43 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote:
Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017.
And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ?
Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD". Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros. (Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !) Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror ! This whining is just the funniest thing ever. This Is called WORLD though. I fail to see world . Or koreans don't live in the world région ? Is CL CHAMPIONS LEAGUES ? If so it's not a WORLD league. ENGLISH PREMIER League is for only ENGLISH teams. yes. So Intel extreme masters WORLD championship ? Hum... Well, "Champion's league" doesn't consist of only champions too. Tournament organizers are free to market their tournament in a way they find the best. And btw, in case you missed it, koreans will play in IEM WORLD championshit. But actually you are right. If it's WORLD championship, ESL should invite a representative of every single nation in the world. Otherwise they will discriminate someone. Where are the Togolese ? this is not a good argument - there are 32 spots and more than 32 countries - it's not any country, it's the country that have the best players that's excluded here
1. It's his argument, not mine.
2. Korea is not excluded.
3. Have fun with the tournaments and stop whining.
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On January 22 2016 18:50 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 18:43 FFW_Rude wrote:On January 22 2016 04:00 shid0x wrote:
Yup keep complaining, nothing's gonna change until 2017.
And maybe, just maybe if you keep bitching all year long you won't even have IEM events next year : PROBLEM SOLVED.
Seriously are you just gonna be crybabies the WHOLE FUCKING YEAR ?
Enjoy what you have, let's try to make another alternative together when the time comes. This time isn't now.
I see your point. Then i'll enjoy GSL,SSL and SPL. I'll skip DH and IEM and everything that just say "BEST players in the WORLD". Hope Rolland Garros will say Nadal and Jokovitch are too strong and say : "nope to those country". Let's have the best at Rolland Garros. (Oh and for European football, new tournament ! England, Spain and Italy are all in their own league !) Hahah imagine if the CL was only for european teams. And the English premier league for ONLY English teams. Not even scotish. Or if Seria A allowed only italian teams... What a disgrace ! Or even worse... Imagine if you had a limit on foreign players in your team. Horror ! This whining is just the funniest thing ever.
Imagine if at the Australian Open right now only Australian players would be allowed to play.
Or if they forbade Djokovic/Federer/Murray/Wawrinka/Nadal to participate because they are too good and their dominance hindered the development of domestic heroes. (which, factually, even happens. The young players right now are horrible because Djokovic/Federer/Nadal/Murray dominated the scene for such a long time)
Nobody considers blocking Djokovic/Federer/Murray/Nadal from these tournaments. Guess why.
My assumption: No one would give a fuck about the tournament.
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2. Korea is not excluded.
Korea is excluded.
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