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CatZ wrote a really nice article about WCS, region lock and how the system could improve for 2016 alongside the ladder. It's really too long to put it here, so have a look at http://root-gaming.com/region-lock/home/page/2
The most important points in my opinion:
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Personally, I agree with him and think the current system is already close to perfect. Now, as mentioned by CatZ, we only have to limit the number of Koreans that compete in WCS in some way, so NA doesn't get overrun. I also would love to see the proposed ladder changes, awarding WCS points for the ladder and getting rid of barcodes sounds awesome! NA ladder right now is dead on the pro level and this has to change as fast as possible in my opinion.
What are your thoughts?
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On October 25 2015 04:29 Musicus wrote:
What are you thoughts?
If someone feels they have a meaningful contribution, they're more than welcome to post it on TeamLiquid. Advertising for other sites is cancerous.
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On October 25 2015 04:32 14CC wrote:If someone feels they have a meaningful contribution, they're more than welcome to post it on TeamLiquid. Advertising for other sites is cancerous.
This is an important topic that deserves to be discussed and the article includes various opinions from pro players like Lilbow or Snute. I also did include the most important points in the OP and didn't just post a link. In general TL and Root have a friendly relationship and CatZ certainly sends people to TL all the time, whether it's on his stream or during casts.
Also you should watch your language and try to be less aggressive in expressing your opinion.
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On October 25 2015 04:37 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 04:32 14CC wrote:On October 25 2015 04:29 Musicus wrote:
What are you thoughts? If someone feels they have a meaningful contribution, they're more than welcome to post it on TeamLiquid. Advertising for other sites is cancerous. This is an important topic that deserves to be discussed and the article includes various opinions from pro players like Lilbow or Snute. I also did include the most important points in the OP and didn't just post a link. In general TL and Root have a friendly relationship and CatZ certainly sends people to TL all the time, whether it's on his stream or during casts. Also you should watch your language and try to be less aggressive in expressing your opinion.
Thanks for the advice, kiddo. <3
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i know Blizzard goes to this site and reads it pretty carefully. i don't know if the new e-Sports subsidiary ATVI set up will do the same thing. although discussion may be interesting to engage in i do not know if its going to be taken under consideration by the new powers that be.
everything is up for grabs until we know this new ATVI subsidiary's full scope of responsibilities.
also, you've only been a TL member for only 4 years. furthermore. you only have 14,000 posts, therefore, 14CC will be watching you very carefully for any "cancerous advertising" you might try to slip into this thread. 
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On October 25 2015 05:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:i know Blizzard goes to this site and reads it pretty carefully. i don't know if the new e-Sports subsidiary ATVI set up will do the same thing. although discussion may be interesting to engage in i do not know if its going to be taken under consideration by the new powers that be. everything is up for grabs until we know this new ATVI subsidiary's full scope of responsibilities. also, you've only been a TL member for only 4 years. furthermore. you only have 14,000 posts, therefore, 14CC will be watching you very carefully for any "cancerous advertising" you might try to slip into this thread.
Ah yes, that's a good point. Maybe the new esports section is already planning out how WCS will work in 2016, but I think CoD is their focus for now right?. Anyway I still hope they will take community feedback into consideration, but maybe they have even better ideas. The guy in charge is really experienced from what I heard, but I'm sure he lacks knowledge when it comes to the specifics of each game and their scenes.
And yes I will have to be more carful now, with 14CC around.
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The ladder solution would be awesome. It could greatly improve foreigners practice, it would be great for everyone.
Long term this would be really good.
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On October 25 2015 04:43 14CC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 04:37 Musicus wrote:On October 25 2015 04:32 14CC wrote:On October 25 2015 04:29 Musicus wrote:
What are you thoughts? If someone feels they have a meaningful contribution, they're more than welcome to post it on TeamLiquid. Advertising for other sites is cancerous. This is an important topic that deserves to be discussed and the article includes various opinions from pro players like Lilbow or Snute. I also did include the most important points in the OP and didn't just post a link. In general TL and Root have a friendly relationship and CatZ certainly sends people to TL all the time, whether it's on his stream or during casts. Also you should watch your language and try to be less aggressive in expressing your opinion. Thanks for the advice, kiddo. <3
Take a deep breath. Not very mature behaviour.
Okay, to the topic. I will say, that CatZ kind of changed my opinion with the fact that his solution sounds
reasonable. My top priority for sc2 is its well beeing(even growing) and i strongly believe that the non-korean scene plays a huge role in that. Successful foreigner brings fame and viewers and ultimatly sponsors get involved with money.
Coming back to his ladder suggestions, i think on the paper it sounds really nice. I think giving out some
WCS points by ladder can be a really great thing, encouraging top players to engage on each ladder.
The ladder might really be the most important infrastructure after all.
Cheers and thanks CatZ. Now all we can do is hoping that Blizzard is listening and proceeding one way or another.
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hopefully blizzard listens
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On October 25 2015 05:19 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 05:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:i know Blizzard goes to this site and reads it pretty carefully. i don't know if the new e-Sports subsidiary ATVI set up will do the same thing. although discussion may be interesting to engage in i do not know if its going to be taken under consideration by the new powers that be. everything is up for grabs until we know this new ATVI subsidiary's full scope of responsibilities. also, you've only been a TL member for only 4 years. furthermore. you only have 14,000 posts, therefore, 14CC will be watching you very carefully for any "cancerous advertising" you might try to slip into this thread. Ah yes, that's a good point. Maybe the new esports section is already planning out how WCS will work in 2016, but I think CoD is their focus for now right?. Anyway I still hope they will take community feedback into consideration, but maybe they have even better ideas. The guy in charge is really experienced from what I heard, but I'm sure he lacks knowledge when it comes to the specifics of each game and their scenes. And yes I will have to be more carful now, with 14CC around.
Mike Sepso is a former co-founder of MLG in 2002. So lot's of experience there.
Steve Bornstein is a sports TV executive guy.
I hope they listen carefully.. i suspect a guy like Sepso knows when to listen and when to ignore the community. generally speaking, i thought MLG did a great job with SC2.
Catz has some good suggestions. Even if they do not implement them exactly as he requests i hope they use the stuff he is suggesting to influence their own new initiatives.
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![[image loading]](http://static-cdn.jtvnw.net/emoticons/v1/67419/2.0) <3
The future is now!
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I think that there are murky waters you could find yourself in if you limit the amount of players per team that could play in a different region. You run into the fact that new companies wouldn't have an incentive to start a team with players that aren't in their official region, as many teams find local sponsors. Its hard to appeal your product as a sponsor to the masses if said product isn't available in the location of said player competing.
I do like the idea that there would be a player cap for non region players. It would require WCS to be reshuffled qualifier wise but ultimately having a tournament during the offseason which would determine who would get a WCS spot would be pretty hype in and of itself.
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Hello TL! and thanks for starting a thread about this, however and as much as you may think those are the most important points to sum up the article, I'd like to encourage everyone to read the whole thing before posting your opinion.
It took me over 30 hours to put this together. (incluiding writing, organizing my thoughts, searching for evidence and precedent to back my arguments and opinions, getting quotes from some of the best WCS players in the system, working on graphics, color schemes, tying lose ends and getting my points across in an organized manner with the help of Rob from production).
I believe that the article is as long as it needs to be to get all of these points across, so please, I encourage you to - read the whole thing before discussing it. because a summary just won't do it justice.
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On October 25 2015 05:55 IceBerrY wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 04:43 14CC wrote:On October 25 2015 04:37 Musicus wrote:On October 25 2015 04:32 14CC wrote:On October 25 2015 04:29 Musicus wrote:
What are you thoughts? If someone feels they have a meaningful contribution, they're more than welcome to post it on TeamLiquid. Advertising for other sites is cancerous. This is an important topic that deserves to be discussed and the article includes various opinions from pro players like Lilbow or Snute. I also did include the most important points in the OP and didn't just post a link. In general TL and Root have a friendly relationship and CatZ certainly sends people to TL all the time, whether it's on his stream or during casts. Also you should watch your language and try to be less aggressive in expressing your opinion. Thanks for the advice, kiddo. <3 Take a deep breath. Not very mature behaviour. Okay, to the topic. I will say, that CatZ kind of changed my opinion with the fact that his solution sounds reasonable. My top priority for sc2 is its well beeing(even growing) and i strongly believe that the non-korean scene plays a huge role in that. Successful foreigner brings fame and viewers and ultimatly sponsors get involved with money. Coming back to his ladder suggestions, i think on the paper it sounds really nice. I think giving out some WCS points by ladder can be a really great thing, encouraging top players to engage on each ladder. The ladder might really be the most important infrastructure after all. Cheers and thanks CatZ. Now all we can do is hoping that Blizzard is listening and proceeding one way or another.
Cheers man and thank you, not just for having a flexible open mind but for saying that I (kind of) changed your opinion, this type of comment is my favorite kind to read because it makes me feel like the article could actually make a difference, the reason it is this long is to provide as much perspective as possible to... well pretty much everyone who isn't already a professional player in the WCS system, I realize that information is scarce and opinions on these type of subject can often times be polarizing. I wanted to make sure that people reading understood that my opinion isn't and has never been black or white, it is a little bit more complicated and long than that because there are so many factors that we need to take into consideration, I am really happy with the community's reception to the article in general. So, again - thank you, it really means a lot.
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On October 25 2015 08:14 ROOTCatZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 05:55 IceBerrY wrote:On October 25 2015 04:43 14CC wrote:On October 25 2015 04:37 Musicus wrote:On October 25 2015 04:32 14CC wrote:On October 25 2015 04:29 Musicus wrote:
What are you thoughts? If someone feels they have a meaningful contribution, they're more than welcome to post it on TeamLiquid. Advertising for other sites is cancerous. This is an important topic that deserves to be discussed and the article includes various opinions from pro players like Lilbow or Snute. I also did include the most important points in the OP and didn't just post a link. In general TL and Root have a friendly relationship and CatZ certainly sends people to TL all the time, whether it's on his stream or during casts. Also you should watch your language and try to be less aggressive in expressing your opinion. Thanks for the advice, kiddo. <3 Take a deep breath. Not very mature behaviour. Okay, to the topic. I will say, that CatZ kind of changed my opinion with the fact that his solution sounds reasonable. My top priority for sc2 is its well beeing(even growing) and i strongly believe that the non-korean scene plays a huge role in that. Successful foreigner brings fame and viewers and ultimatly sponsors get involved with money. Coming back to his ladder suggestions, i think on the paper it sounds really nice. I think giving out some WCS points by ladder can be a really great thing, encouraging top players to engage on each ladder. The ladder might really be the most important infrastructure after all. Cheers and thanks CatZ. Now all we can do is hoping that Blizzard is listening and proceeding one way or another. Cheers man and thank you, not just for having a flexible open mind but for saying that I (kind of) changed your opinion, this type of comment is my favorite kind to read because it makes me feel like the article could actually make a difference, the reason it is this long is to provide as much perspective as possible to... well pretty much everyone who isn't already a professional player in the WCS system, I realize that information is scarce and opinions on these type of subject can often times be polarizing. I wanted to make sure that people reading understood that my opinion isn't and has never been black or white, it is a little bit more complicated and long than that because there are so many factors that we need to take into consideration, I am really happy with the community's reception to the article in general. So, again - thank you, it really means a lot.
Just wanted to let you know, Catz, that you changed my mind as well. I previously thought that the 2013/2014 system was the best WCS system, but after reading your article, I've come to believe otherwise. You articulated quite well why the WCS 2015 was the best one for foreigners to date.
By far my favorite part was the proposed changes to ladder. Ladder giving WCS points, encouraging better players to play on NA or EU, and maybe best of all thereby eliminating barcodes would be amazing.
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Great article. I love the ladder wcs points idea.
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PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, BLIZZARD READ THIS!!!!
I 100% agree with catz here, idk how you could argue against this well thought out series of suggestions.
I think keeping a fee Koreans in WCS makes for a very exciting season, as the story line of Korean vs foreigner is exciting. The issue is when we have too many Koreans coming over. I think the number of Koreans last season was about perfect, and we saw one of the most exciting wcs season of all time as a result.
The ladder suggestion is brilliant, the issue of Koreans in wcs is not so bad if the Koreans are actually practicing on the local ladder!
I love the idea of not having barcode vs barcode all the time for streaming. I think streams are far more exciting when the viewers know who the streamer is playing against. I still remember the fun times when Demuslim, Idra, and huk were all streaming together it was fun to actually know who was playing instead of, "oh Demu is up against random zerg"
Great suggestions I really hope we get this for wcs 2016, that would be the dream.
Everyone who agrees lets try to make this happen! tell blizz we want ladder incentive!
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On October 25 2015 08:14 ROOTCatZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2015 05:55 IceBerrY wrote:On October 25 2015 04:43 14CC wrote:On October 25 2015 04:37 Musicus wrote:On October 25 2015 04:32 14CC wrote:On October 25 2015 04:29 Musicus wrote:
What are you thoughts? If someone feels they have a meaningful contribution, they're more than welcome to post it on TeamLiquid. Advertising for other sites is cancerous. This is an important topic that deserves to be discussed and the article includes various opinions from pro players like Lilbow or Snute. I also did include the most important points in the OP and didn't just post a link. In general TL and Root have a friendly relationship and CatZ certainly sends people to TL all the time, whether it's on his stream or during casts. Also you should watch your language and try to be less aggressive in expressing your opinion. Thanks for the advice, kiddo. <3 Take a deep breath. Not very mature behaviour. Okay, to the topic. I will say, that CatZ kind of changed my opinion with the fact that his solution sounds reasonable. My top priority for sc2 is its well beeing(even growing) and i strongly believe that the non-korean scene plays a huge role in that. Successful foreigner brings fame and viewers and ultimatly sponsors get involved with money. Coming back to his ladder suggestions, i think on the paper it sounds really nice. I think giving out some WCS points by ladder can be a really great thing, encouraging top players to engage on each ladder. The ladder might really be the most important infrastructure after all. Cheers and thanks CatZ. Now all we can do is hoping that Blizzard is listening and proceeding one way or another. Cheers man and thank you, not just for having a flexible open mind but for saying that I (kind of) changed your opinion, this type of comment is my favorite kind to read because it makes me feel like the article could actually make a difference, the reason it is this long is to provide as much perspective as possible to... well pretty much everyone who isn't already a professional player in the WCS system, I realize that information is scarce and opinions on these type of subject can often times be polarizing. I wanted to make sure that people reading understood that my opinion isn't and has never been black or white, it is a little bit more complicated and long than that because there are so many factors that we need to take into consideration, I am really happy with the community's reception to the article in general. So, again - thank you, it really means a lot.
Your article was well written, so i guess it did his job.
I really hope that it gets a little bit more attention, i know through twitter that it took you quite some time to get it altogether.
Would be nice if some more would give their opinion for a healthy discussion.
Cheers!
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how many korean players are on Root?
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On October 25 2015 20:01 KelsierSC wrote:
how many korean players are on Root?
Well Hydra. So one, if i remember it correctly.
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