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Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
January 21 2016 20:29 GMT
#41
I'm happy Polt is there.
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ProtossMasterRace
Profile Joined January 2016
57 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-21 20:32:25
January 21 2016 20:31 GMT
#42
On January 22 2016 05:05 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 03:28 DinoMight wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:20 WrathSCII wrote:
The tournament will see the 32 best StarCraft II players in the world compete and we anxiously await the results of the remaining regional qualifiers to reveal the remaining 22 players.


Facepalm.gif

These are not the best 32 players in the world... these are the best 32 players in this stupid bubble created by Blizzard to foster local talent at the expense of match quality.

Honestly Stuchiu was right. People might not like his ESPN article because it's negative, but this scene is declining fast. I have absolutely no desire to watch any tournament that doesn't at least have a couple of decent Koreans to set the bar.

Otherwise I might as well just watch my friends play each other.


How can you say that the scene is declining fast when you haven't even seen the viewer numbers for this tournament. SC2 is more than just Korea, and just because Korea historically has been the superior country, there is no reasons that we can't build a strong european scene. One that might eventually surpass Korea


There is no way that the foreign scene would ever surpass Korea in general. There was a time when foreigners could compete with top koreans. Not many of them but there were some, Huk, Naniwa, Stephano, Idra etc. but with these changes foreigners will have no chance to practice against top koreans therefore no chance of competing agaisnt them in skill and yes Korea will always be the top of Starcraft unless everyone there quits and there are no new players to take their place. I hope that day will never come.

This (local players competing) might appeal to some of the casual viewers, but lets face it, the viewer base of starcraft is not that big and I would assume it is mostly the hardcore fans of starcraft that prefer high level of play which we will see a lot less of.
That being said I will probably watch this tournament and DH and cheer for some of my favourite foreigners there is nothing wrong with that hopefully it will turn out to be entertaining.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
January 21 2016 20:34 GMT
#43
On January 22 2016 05:09 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 05:05 Prog455 wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:28 DinoMight wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:20 WrathSCII wrote:
The tournament will see the 32 best StarCraft II players in the world compete and we anxiously await the results of the remaining regional qualifiers to reveal the remaining 22 players.


Facepalm.gif

These are not the best 32 players in the world... these are the best 32 players in this stupid bubble created by Blizzard to foster local talent at the expense of match quality.

Honestly Stuchiu was right. People might not like his ESPN article because it's negative, but this scene is declining fast. I have absolutely no desire to watch any tournament that doesn't at least have a couple of decent Koreans to set the bar.

Otherwise I might as well just watch my friends play each other.


How can you say that the scene is declining fast when you haven't even seen the viewer numbers for this tournament. SC2 is more than just Korea, and just because Korea historically has been the superior country, there is no reasons that we can't build a strong european scene. One that might eventually surpass Korea


You funny kid. You tell funny joke lol


You got me laughing twice with this simple line. Good job :D
IceBerrY
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany220 Posts
January 21 2016 21:01 GMT
#44
On January 22 2016 04:04 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
Why even write best 32 when they know it is not true. It is just insulting to people who actually know the starcraft 2 scene. This is not even top 100 (Maybe the Koreans who are allowed there).


Yeah right... oh wait, actually no you are not. You are wrong.

I won´t argue that those are are top players, but according to aligulac they are all top 100.
Which source did you use for claiming such a statement?
Sholip
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
Hungary422 Posts
January 21 2016 21:02 GMT
#45
On January 22 2016 05:09 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 05:05 Prog455 wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:28 DinoMight wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:20 WrathSCII wrote:
The tournament will see the 32 best StarCraft II players in the world compete and we anxiously await the results of the remaining regional qualifiers to reveal the remaining 22 players.


Facepalm.gif

These are not the best 32 players in the world... these are the best 32 players in this stupid bubble created by Blizzard to foster local talent at the expense of match quality.

Honestly Stuchiu was right. People might not like his ESPN article because it's negative, but this scene is declining fast. I have absolutely no desire to watch any tournament that doesn't at least have a couple of decent Koreans to set the bar.

Otherwise I might as well just watch my friends play each other.


How can you say that the scene is declining fast when you haven't even seen the viewer numbers for this tournament. SC2 is more than just Korea, and just because Korea historically has been the superior country, there is no reasons that we can't build a strong european scene. One that might eventually surpass Korea


You funny kid. You tell funny joke lol

Why, he's not even that wrong. If Blizzard continue to divide the scene and exclude Koreans from the WCS events, the whole Korean scene may eventually just die out because there will not be more new Koreans to play the game, sponsors depart, etc. And at that point, the artificially stabilized European scene shall have surpassed Korea.
(I hope it never comes to this, though.)
"A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is brave five minutes longer. Also, Zest is best." – Ralph Waldo Emerson
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
January 21 2016 21:04 GMT
#46
On January 22 2016 05:31 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 05:05 Prog455 wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:28 DinoMight wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:20 WrathSCII wrote:
The tournament will see the 32 best StarCraft II players in the world compete and we anxiously await the results of the remaining regional qualifiers to reveal the remaining 22 players.


Facepalm.gif

These are not the best 32 players in the world... these are the best 32 players in this stupid bubble created by Blizzard to foster local talent at the expense of match quality.

Honestly Stuchiu was right. People might not like his ESPN article because it's negative, but this scene is declining fast. I have absolutely no desire to watch any tournament that doesn't at least have a couple of decent Koreans to set the bar.

Otherwise I might as well just watch my friends play each other.


How can you say that the scene is declining fast when you haven't even seen the viewer numbers for this tournament. SC2 is more than just Korea, and just because Korea historically has been the superior country, there is no reasons that we can't build a strong european scene. One that might eventually surpass Korea


There is no way that the foreign scene would ever surpass Korea in general. There was a time when foreigners could compete with top koreans. Not many of them but there were some, Huk, Naniwa, Stephano, Idra etc. but with these changes foreigners will have no chance to practice against top koreans therefore no chance of competing agaisnt them in skill and yes Korea will always be the top of Starcraft unless everyone there quits and there are no new players to take their place. I hope that day will never come.

This (local players competing) might appeal to some of the casual viewers, but lets face it, the viewer base of starcraft is not that big and I would assume it is mostly the hardcore fans of starcraft that prefer high level of play which we will see a lot less of.
That being said I will probably watch this tournament and DH and cheer for some of my favourite foreigners there is nothing wrong with that hopefully it will turn out to be entertaining.


Marinelord has recently beaten Parting and Innovation. Snute and Bunny beats Koreans from time to time aswell. Saying that Europeans will never reach the level of Koreans because they no longer compete against them is bullshit. Koreans made it to their current skill level only competing against themselves, surely there is no reason why Europeans shouldn't be able to do the same.

There is so much pro-Korea bias on this site, that it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion about the state of SC2.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
January 21 2016 21:08 GMT
#47
On January 22 2016 06:02 Sholip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 05:09 showstealer1829 wrote:
On January 22 2016 05:05 Prog455 wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:28 DinoMight wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:20 WrathSCII wrote:
The tournament will see the 32 best StarCraft II players in the world compete and we anxiously await the results of the remaining regional qualifiers to reveal the remaining 22 players.


Facepalm.gif

These are not the best 32 players in the world... these are the best 32 players in this stupid bubble created by Blizzard to foster local talent at the expense of match quality.

Honestly Stuchiu was right. People might not like his ESPN article because it's negative, but this scene is declining fast. I have absolutely no desire to watch any tournament that doesn't at least have a couple of decent Koreans to set the bar.

Otherwise I might as well just watch my friends play each other.


How can you say that the scene is declining fast when you haven't even seen the viewer numbers for this tournament. SC2 is more than just Korea, and just because Korea historically has been the superior country, there is no reasons that we can't build a strong european scene. One that might eventually surpass Korea


You funny kid. You tell funny joke lol

Why, he's not even that wrong. If Blizzard continue to divide the scene and exclude Koreans from the WCS events, the whole Korean scene may eventually just die out because there will not be more new Koreans to play the game, sponsors depart, etc. And at that point, the artificially stabilized European scene shall have surpassed Korea.
(I hope it never comes to this, though.)


Because A. As long as there is a Korean Scene it will never happen

B. If Korea dies the game dies so it won't happen that way either

The fact that anyone could think otherwise is laughable
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 21 2016 21:11 GMT
#48
The best 32 -_-
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19345 Posts
January 21 2016 21:19 GMT
#49
You guys are some major downers lol. SMH
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Haku
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany550 Posts
January 21 2016 21:22 GMT
#50
Still not going to watch all tournaments that do not include koreans. Gimmicky bullshit to give foreign players who go to uni at the side some easy money. I don´t wanna see low quality games. Even the last WCS was close to beeing hilarious.

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madness1
Profile Joined October 2015
21 Posts
January 21 2016 21:27 GMT
#51
On January 22 2016 06:22 EXRNaRa wrote:
Still not going to watch all tournaments that do not include koreans. Gimmicky bullshit to give foreign players who go to uni at the side some easy money. I don´t wanna see low quality games. Even the last WCS was close to beeing hilarious.

"best players"


I will definitely check the last Lilbow game before his retirement.
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
January 21 2016 21:27 GMT
#52
I guess it's the popular thing to bash the new system and all, but sheeeesh I didn't think the reaction would be this harsh.

Blizzcon is Korea vs The World is it not? Oh well, memes gon meme
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Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
January 21 2016 21:30 GMT
#53
On January 22 2016 06:04 Prog455 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 05:31 ProtossMasterRace wrote:
On January 22 2016 05:05 Prog455 wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:28 DinoMight wrote:
On January 22 2016 03:20 WrathSCII wrote:
The tournament will see the 32 best StarCraft II players in the world compete and we anxiously await the results of the remaining regional qualifiers to reveal the remaining 22 players.


Facepalm.gif

These are not the best 32 players in the world... these are the best 32 players in this stupid bubble created by Blizzard to foster local talent at the expense of match quality.

Honestly Stuchiu was right. People might not like his ESPN article because it's negative, but this scene is declining fast. I have absolutely no desire to watch any tournament that doesn't at least have a couple of decent Koreans to set the bar.

Otherwise I might as well just watch my friends play each other.


How can you say that the scene is declining fast when you haven't even seen the viewer numbers for this tournament. SC2 is more than just Korea, and just because Korea historically has been the superior country, there is no reasons that we can't build a strong european scene. One that might eventually surpass Korea


There is no way that the foreign scene would ever surpass Korea in general. There was a time when foreigners could compete with top koreans. Not many of them but there were some, Huk, Naniwa, Stephano, Idra etc. but with these changes foreigners will have no chance to practice against top koreans therefore no chance of competing agaisnt them in skill and yes Korea will always be the top of Starcraft unless everyone there quits and there are no new players to take their place. I hope that day will never come.

This (local players competing) might appeal to some of the casual viewers, but lets face it, the viewer base of starcraft is not that big and I would assume it is mostly the hardcore fans of starcraft that prefer high level of play which we will see a lot less of.
That being said I will probably watch this tournament and DH and cheer for some of my favourite foreigners there is nothing wrong with that hopefully it will turn out to be entertaining.


Marinelord has recently beaten Parting and Innovation. Snute and Bunny beats Koreans from time to time aswell. Saying that Europeans will never reach the level of Koreans because they no longer compete against them is bullshit. Koreans made it to their current skill level only competing against themselves, surely there is no reason why Europeans shouldn't be able to do the same.

There is so much pro-Korea bias on this site, that it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion about the state of SC2.


This
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 21 2016 21:30 GMT
#54
On January 22 2016 06:27 Ctone23 wrote:
I guess it's the popular thing to bash the new system and all, but sheeeesh I didn't think the reaction would be this harsh.

Blizzcon is Korea vs The World is it not? Oh well, memes gon meme

It's not necessarily bashing the system, but just laughing at a blatantly false statement.
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Pontius Pirate
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United States1557 Posts
January 21 2016 21:33 GMT
#55
The announcement was flawed to the point of hilarity, but I'm still going to watch this, and I'm quite certain the games will be great.
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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
January 21 2016 21:34 GMT
#56
On January 22 2016 06:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 06:27 Ctone23 wrote:
I guess it's the popular thing to bash the new system and all, but sheeeesh I didn't think the reaction would be this harsh.

Blizzcon is Korea vs The World is it not? Oh well, memes gon meme

It's not necessarily bashing the system, but just laughing at a blatantly false statement.

Yeah it made me laugh as well, I just see a lot of nasty comments out there. I can't wait to watch :D
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
January 21 2016 21:47 GMT
#57
Do you guys know if I have trip paid? :D
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12912 Posts
January 21 2016 21:58 GMT
#58
Well technically every foreigner can make adepts ravagers or liberators and be in the current top 32, the game is so new and weirdly/badly balanced that everything is possible.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 21 2016 22:05 GMT
#59
Very pleased with the invites so far
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
January 21 2016 22:15 GMT
#60
On January 22 2016 04:59 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2016 04:43 DSK wrote:
Shouldn't the 8 invites have been qualifiers like the rest? It sounds a bit shitty, but surely that'd have been in line with fundamental tenet of giving foreign players a better, fairer field of play? Basing everything on WCS 2015 results sounds a bit daft, particularly in an (effectively) new game. Then again, many of them are crowd favourites anyway.

I also giggled at the "best 32" comment. Sorry, foreign players


It's part of the rules for WCS WelfareCircuit events. The top 8 (That are eligible) in WCS standings get an automatic invite to the WCS WelfareCircuit Championships, since no WCS tournaments have been played it's based on 2015


Fair enough, thanks for the info, showstealer
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