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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
December 17 2015 22:09 GMT
#141
On December 18 2015 07:03 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:44 Musicus wrote:
What are many here talking about?

There can still be WCS Global events with foreigners and Koreas. They will earn the points that fit their region.

So IEM can just request the 25k WCS boost, then it can be a 50k+ WCS Global event with Koreans right?


They can, that doesnt mean they will.


What do you mean? That IEM might chose to be a foreigner only event instead of requesting extra money and bring in koreans for foreigner vs korean hype?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
December 17 2015 22:09 GMT
#142
On December 18 2015 06:59 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all

i think it was pretty simple


What happens if the runnerup of SSL s1 is the runnerup of GSL s1? What does the cross finals look like then? Then they have to pull in one of the guys from the semifinals to fill in one of the spots, right? But semifinals from which tournament? GSL or SSL? And which semifinals? There's usually two per tournament.

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peanuts
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States1225 Posts
December 17 2015 22:09 GMT
#143
SC2 rules getting more complex than American football rules
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
December 17 2015 22:09 GMT
#144
On December 18 2015 07:07 Dodgin wrote:
The text seemed to imply that the events would be held at IEM/DH, but its possible to have two tournaments(mlg hosting WCS in 2012 at one of their events comes to mind)

Not that I think thats likely to happen.

ah yes, the least hyped tournament right before the real finals lol
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18752 Posts
December 17 2015 22:09 GMT
#145
I actually believe WCS Global events will be very rare.

Something like IEM WC or DH Winter will probably be a Global event, not much more than that
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 17 2015 22:10 GMT
#146
On December 18 2015 07:07 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:06 ZAiNs wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:04 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all

Their article/blog is horribly written, once you read through it's actually pretty clear:

WCS Circuit = big Championships (basically the same as WCS 2015 seasons, just moved to a weekend) + community/org run Circuit Events (at least 8, can be upgraded, works like a WCS Global event just region locked), region locked to foreigners/Koreigners

WCS Korea = SSL + GSL, play in Korea, opens to everyone.

WCS Global Events = DHs + IEMs+ HSCs, opens to everyone.

more TL;DR:

WCS 2015 system plus region locked international events, might be less Korean events but not sure.

The ambiguitiy is around the WCS Global Events. You say it's DH + IEMs but I think they seem to imply those 2 will be WCS Circuit Events (though they could be a combination I suppose?).

Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:23 Heyoka wrote:
WCS GLOBAL EVENTS

WCS Global Events are the only opportunity before the WCS Global Playoffs to bring together players from the WCS Korea and WCS Circuit systems to battle for points. The goal is to have the highest level of StarCraft II play open to players from both standings. For more information on the WCS Global Event requirements, check out our Requirements blog.

WCS Global Events—7500
  • $50,000+ prize pool
  • 16+ Players
  • 7,500 points
  • Players can earn points in the WCS Korea Standings or WCS Circuit
  • Standings based on their eligibility for that standing.


The most important part. Doesn't even matter if the tournament is called IEM/Dreamhack at that point.

The option is there, but it depends how many organizations actually decide to host WCS Global Events rather than WCS Circuit Events.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
December 17 2015 22:11 GMT
#147
On December 18 2015 07:09 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:59 Wintex wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all

i think it was pretty simple


What happens if the runnerup of SSL s1 is the runnerup of GSL s1? What does the cross finals look like then? Then they have to pull in one of the guys from the semifinals to fill in one of the spots, right? But semifinals from which tournament? GSL or SSL? And which semifinals? There's usually two per tournament.


They probably play out who gets it. Would make sense. Wasn't mentioned in the text though because they didn't think about it.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8323 Posts
December 17 2015 22:11 GMT
#148
On December 18 2015 07:09 sharkie wrote:
I actually believe WCS Global events will be very rare.

Something like IEM WC or DH Winter will probably be a Global event, not much more than that


Any particular reason you believe that? (There very well may be. This post of their's is quite confusing.)
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
December 17 2015 22:11 GMT
#149
On December 18 2015 07:09 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:59 Wintex wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all

i think it was pretty simple


What happens if the runnerup of SSL s1 is the runnerup of GSL s1? What does the cross finals look like then? Then they have to pull in one of the guys from the semifinals to fill in one of the spots, right? But semifinals from which tournament? GSL or SSL? And which semifinals? There's usually two per tournament.


you make a bracket and let them fight for hit
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 17 2015 22:11 GMT
#150
I think its safe to say that redbull will mostly host NA events, not global events.
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
December 17 2015 22:11 GMT
#151
On December 18 2015 07:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:06 Elentos wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:03 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I missed the global events the first time i read it.
Now i think it is ok. Still not the best solution for various reasons, but at least not total bs.

Could be much worse. One thing about the Korean circuit that bothers me is that winning GSL/SSL awards 4000 points that don't mean anything because you get a direct seed to the finals anway. And all the numbers are so inflated. Just by qualifying to SSL you get 600 points. Everyone who didn't get through the qualifiers today is already at a 600 point deficit.

I guess they could use the points for some sort of seeding?

I'm glad they get points for 1st place even though they're seeded, this way it doesn't break WCS Wars lol, if they got no points then you wouldn't want your player to win
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 17 2015 22:11 GMT
#152
On December 18 2015 07:09 sharkie wrote:
I actually believe WCS Global events will be very rare.

Something like IEM WC or DH Winter will probably be a Global event, not much more than that

Well a maximum amount of 8 per year. I am sure we will get these 8
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18752 Posts
December 17 2015 22:12 GMT
#153
On December 18 2015 07:11 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:09 sharkie wrote:
I actually believe WCS Global events will be very rare.

Something like IEM WC or DH Winter will probably be a Global event, not much more than that


Any particular reason you believe that? (There very well may be. This post of their's is quite confusing.)


their wording, calling it "the only time foreigners and Koreans will meet each other before the global finals" implies that these events will be something special and unique
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 22:13:10
December 17 2015 22:12 GMT
#154
Ro32 Single-elimination is pretty much the worst format you can use. I don't care if its Bo5: if you get an unlucky draw you're screwed and you flew all the way out to wherever to play 3-5 games and get nothing. Its barely a step above Dreamhack "Bo3 until the finals" and at least that had a group stage.
At least they aren't region-locking weekend events.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 22:15:33
December 17 2015 22:12 GMT
#155
On December 18 2015 07:00 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:59 Wintex wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all

i think it was pretty simple


Then please explain it. Is much different than the rumor week ago? What exactly the good side of it?

I just read it once and I'm sure someone will make some infographic or something, but simply it looks like this:

For non-Koreans
It is called the WCS Circuit for non-koreans

There are 3 WCS Circuit Championships a year

There are 6 regions that make up the WCS Circuit and each region has a qualifier ($10k prize pool) to qualify for each Championship

People also qualify based on their Points

These Championships and their qualifiers are the equivalent to premier/challenger etc things that we've seen in the past, but they're gonna be live events with crowds. They're more like normal non-korean events, not drawn out leagues

In addition to these standard events for the Circuit, any major third party (IEM, DH, etc) SC2 tournament that pops up can ask to be put on the Circuit, which means it has to follow the region-locking and qualifier rules and live audience and commentators player booths etc that a Circuit event requires.

Third party SC2 tournaments can also ask to be Global events, which means they're for non-koreans and Koreans as well. Those are also for points and have their set of format requirements (must have qualifiers, must allocate spots for certain regions, etc) and event requirements (live play, booths, live commentators, crowd, etc)

Third party SC2 tournaments can also do whatever they want and they just won't count for WCS points

In the end, the 3 players who win circuit championships will essentially go to blizzcon (will actually go to the week-before-blizzcon Ro16 thing) and 5 other players who have the most points will fill out the rest of the 8 non-korean slots

----

for Koreans
Pretty simple, they have 2 seasons of GSL and SSL each. The 4 champions go to the week-before-blizzcon thing. 4 highest points fill out the rest of their remaining slots.

They can of course attend WCS Global events as previously mentioned to earn additional points

They can also become a resident with a proper visa and essentially become a non-Korean and do the WCS Circuit instead (non-Koreans also have the option of doing GSL/SSL themselves if they'd rather not do WCS Circuit, btw)

Oh and the winners of GSL team up against the winners of SSL to do some crazy archon mode match for $25k



edit: Oh and Blizzard is throwing a ton of financial support in for third party tournaments that do decide to be a WCS event (paying for player travel expenses, adding money to prize pool)
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
December 17 2015 22:12 GMT
#156
On December 18 2015 07:09 peanuts wrote:
SC2 rules getting more complex than American football rules


There is a lot of downtime between the maps, so Apollo, ToD and the rest can spend most of Q1 2016 explaining it to us
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
December 17 2015 22:12 GMT
#157
I think this will be interesting.



Should clear up some stuff about Global events.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 22:17:18
December 17 2015 22:13 GMT
#158
Hmm: On first notice:

- only 2 GSL/SSL seasons? so little
- killing the old WCS league makes me very very sad

- I like stricter region locking, makes for better ladders hopefully.
- extra money is good I guess.
- It seems circuit championships have regional qualifiers, so each will have players from each region attending? That's pretty cool.
- Boosting smaller events might have a great effect.

Questions:
Are the spring/summer/winter circuit championships Dreamhacks? (as they use their naming scheme)

What other events are there scheduled? Do we really go from a scheduled 3 season competition to just 3 planned weekend tournaments? :/
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
December 17 2015 22:13 GMT
#159
For me the worst part about this really is that 1 full season of each Korean league gets cut. The 2013 WCS had 3 seasons AND season final events. :/
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 17 2015 22:13 GMT
#160
On December 18 2015 07:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Gotta say I'm on board with this. Also, every foreigner can try and qualify for the GSL and SSL because there is no region lock. :D


No they cant, 5 weeks of travel per year, that isnt long enough for a season.
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