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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Now i think it is ok. Still not the best solution for various reasons, but at least not total bs. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
On December 18 2015 06:56 goiflin wrote: Likely, yes. Give TO's time to figure out their events for the year, before you start losing your head over it. We'll likely get more information regarding which tournaments will be part of the WCS Circuit and which ones will be Global Events early next year. OK, thanks. I have no problem with WCS WELFARE system existing. I am really sad for the world's best players number 9. 10. 11. 12 ... I think, it would be enough to bring 4 foreigners to BlizzCon and mix then into the 4 groups ... but I will survive it. I was just unhappy if they destroy DreamHacks and IEMs with the mix of good and international players, as exactly that was nice to see Snute beating the champions of GSL and SSL ... Just please, do not destroy IEM! | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote: yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all Their article/blog is horribly written, once you read through it's actually pretty clear: WCS Circuit = big Championships (basically the same as WCS 2015 seasons, just moved to a weekend) + community/org run Circuit Events (at least 8, can be upgraded, works like a WCS Global event just region locked), region locked to foreigners/Koreigners WCS Korea = SSL + GSL, play in Korea, opens to everyone. WCS Global Events = DHs + IEMs+ HSCs, opens to everyone, players get points on their own region's WCS ladder. more TL;DR: WCS 2015 system plus region locked international events, might be less Korean events but not sure. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17727 Posts
Korean points vs global points, 4 korean champions and 4 koreans from points, 3 WCS Circuit champions, 5 players from the global points pool, like damn stick to something. I would've just done (if I was forced to give foreigner charity seeds) top 8 players living in korea and top 8 players living outside of korea all by points. | ||
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Popkiller
3415 Posts
Blizz might make that impossible with the tournament schedule or something. Not sure. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 18 2015 07:04 digmouse wrote: Their article/blog is horribly written, once you read through it's actually pretty clear: WCS Circuit = big Championships (basically the same as WCS 2015 seasons, just moved to a weekend) + community/org run Circuit Events (at least 8, can be upgraded, works like a WCS Global event just region locked), region locked to foreigners/Koreigners WCS Korea = SSL + GSL, play in Korea, opens to everyone. WCS Global Events = DHs + IEMs+ HSCs, opens to everyone. more TL;DR: WCS 2015 system plus region locked international events, might be less Korean events but not sure. The ambiguitiy is around the WCS Global Events. You say it's DH + IEMs but I think they seem to imply those 2 will be WCS Circuit Events (though they could be a combination I suppose?). | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17727 Posts
On December 18 2015 07:01 NonY wrote: Hmm if you are a player in GSL playing in the semis and you win the semis but lose the finals, you can watch the guy you just beat go make the final in a WCS Global event and pass you in points. I'm sure the "victims" who see the people they beat in GSL/SSL passing them in the points won't think it's so insignificant. Every bit will add up. The points are enough to add an additional dimension of drama to the events. I thought the points only counted for the Global pool instead of the korean pool, but if they add on to the points they earned from GSL/SSL then that's fine | ||
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Elentos
55567 Posts
On December 18 2015 07:03 The_Red_Viper wrote: I missed the global events the first time i read it. Now i think it is ok. Still not the best solution for various reasons, but at least not total bs. Could be much worse. One thing about the Korean circuit that bothers me is that winning GSL/SSL awards 4000 points that don't mean anything because you get a direct seed to the finals anway. And all the numbers are so inflated. Just by qualifying to SSL you get 600 points. Everyone who didn't get through the qualifiers today is already at a 600 point deficit. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18617 Posts
On December 18 2015 07:04 digmouse wrote: Their article/blog is horribly written, once you read through it's actually pretty clear: WCS Circuit = big Championships (basically the same as WCS 2015 seasons, just moved to a weekend) + community/org run Circuit Events (at least 8, can be upgraded, works like a WCS Global event just region locked), region locked to foreigners/Koreigners WCS Korea = SSL + GSL, play in Korea, opens to everyone. WCS Global Events = DHs + IEMs+ HSCs, opens to everyone, players get points on their own region's WCS ladder. more TL;DR: WCS 2015 system plus region locked international events, might be less Korean events but not sure. DH and IEMs will most likely become WCS Circuit events... | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
Considering the absurd competition already and the new game you wonder how many players may consider retirement or something of a similar variety. Just as a societal observation; it's already a very difficult life for many of the Korean progamers so adding a structure which de-incentivizes them surely isn't great. At least to a certain extent the Korean contingency of the starcraft world represents a significant portion of our community, and perhaps putting their participation in relative jeopardy isn't a great thing for the game in general. I'm also a bit skeptical about how the notion of including 8 spots for foreign players. The obvious idea is provide incentive for local players to compete and increase the competitive aspect of the game from an organic level. This is tough for a game which is already perceived with a pretense of intimidation for casual players. The reduction of SSL/GSL seasons is something bad enough as it is, so implementing this new structure change certainly won't help. The real question is: Will Korean interesting in sc2 maintain as it has, and will foreigners actually compete? I'm skeptical | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Not that I think thats likely to happen. | ||
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Elentos
55567 Posts
On December 18 2015 07:06 ZAiNs wrote: The ambiguitiy is around the WCS Global Events. You say it's DH + IEMs but I think they seem to imply those 2 will be WCS Circuit Events (though they could be a combination I suppose?). On December 18 2015 06:23 Heyoka wrote: WCS GLOBAL EVENTS WCS Global Events are the only opportunity before the WCS Global Playoffs to bring together players from the WCS Korea and WCS Circuit systems to battle for points. The goal is to have the highest level of StarCraft II play open to players from both standings. For more information on the WCS Global Event requirements, check out our Requirements blog. WCS Global Events—7500
The most important part. Doesn't even matter if the tournament is called IEM/Dreamhack at that point. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8306 Posts
On December 18 2015 07:02 Lunareste wrote: As it stands right now, the most broken strategies that should eventually get nerfed (such as Oracle/Adept into double expand against Terran) will dictate who we see at the global finals at the end of this year and not who the actual most skilled players are because the game is in such a badly refined state at the moment. Well, on the Korean side I doubt it due to being able to prepare for a match. Blue Flame hellions WRECKED that one MLG, but people figured out how to beat them in time for them to not affect that season's GSL. (Admittedly, the queen range buff was important for that too). Even 1/1/1 was mostly a weekend tournament thing. (Mostly. Not entirely.) You do make a good point though that we could have foreigners with a couple broken strategies who end up in global finals by taking down one tournament with them. On December 18 2015 07:02 Lunareste wrote: This system is going to do great damage in the short term to the Korean scene, and I'm never watching a foreigner tournament like DH or IEM again. The level of competition is remarkably lower and makes the matches themselves uninteresting. I watch Starcraft for the gameplay and excitement, not because I want to hear someone talk in English after they win a game. The biggest tragedy is that we're only going to see the best Korean Starcraft players play in individual leagues twice a year now. Good news on that front! They will still have DH and IEM and they'll be "global events" it sounds like. | ||
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
On December 18 2015 07:06 ZAiNs wrote: The ambiguitiy is around the WCS Global Events. You say it's DH + IEMs but I think they seem to imply those 2 will be WCS Circuit Events (though they could be a combination I suppose?). I don't believe there is a reason DHs and IEMs are Circuit Events instead of Global Events, and I didn't see any implication that DHs and IEMs are Circuit Events. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19316 Posts
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 18 2015 07:04 digmouse wrote: Their article/blog is horribly written, once you read through it's actually pretty clear: WCS Circuit = big Championships (basically the same as WCS 2015 seasons, just moved to a weekend) + community/org run Circuit Events (at least 8, can be upgraded, works like a WCS Global event just region locked), region locked to foreigners/Koreigners WCS Korea = SSL + GSL, play in Korea, opens to everyone. WCS Global Events = DHs + IEMs+ HSCs, opens to everyone, players get points on their own region's WCS ladder. more TL;DR: WCS 2015 system plus region locked international events, might be less Korean events but not sure. The feeling I got was that the championships will be by ESL/DH/etc There's no indication of what exactly a global event is right now. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On December 18 2015 07:06 Elentos wrote: Could be much worse. One thing about the Korean circuit that bothers me is that winning GSL/SSL awards 4000 points that don't mean anything because you get a direct seed to the finals anway. And all the numbers are so inflated. Just by qualifying to SSL you get 600 points. Everyone who didn't get through the qualifiers today is already at a 600 point deficit. I guess they could use the points for some sort of seeding? | ||
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