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[16thSq] Kuro
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1221 Posts
December 17 2015 22:13 GMT
#161
So we added SSL because there were not enough opportunities in Korea and now we make both GSL and SSL shorter and lock part of the weekend events... I guess we will find out how it works out but I have a bad feeling about this.

Also, I really really hope that IEM stays international. I'm gonna be seriously disappointed if it gets locked. Carmac is very mysterious about it.
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Not sure how I feel about it all.
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jcairne
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States127 Posts
December 17 2015 22:13 GMT
#162
Honestly I think I'm fine with the whole WCS circuit system. The only thing that really bums me out is only 2 seasons of GSL and 2 of SSL. However, they did mention "global events" that would allow Koreans so maybe those will kind of make up for that?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 22:17:15
December 17 2015 22:15 GMT
#163
On December 18 2015 07:13 stuchiu wrote:
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On December 18 2015 07:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Gotta say I'm on board with this. Also, every foreigner can try and qualify for the GSL and SSL because there is no region lock. :D


No they cant, 5 weeks of travel per year, that isnt long enough for a season.


In theory this restriction should only apply to non-citizens with residency(polt, hydra, jaedong)
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
December 17 2015 22:15 GMT
#164
On December 18 2015 07:13 stuchiu wrote:
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On December 18 2015 07:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Gotta say I'm on board with this. Also, every foreigner can try and qualify for the GSL and SSL because there is no region lock. :D


No they cant, 5 weeks of travel per year, that isnt long enough for a season.


"Participants may only travel for non-competitive reasons 5 weeks per WCS competitive year outside of their WCS region"

GSL/SSL are competitive I dare say .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8313 Posts
December 17 2015 22:15 GMT
#165
On December 18 2015 07:12 sharkie wrote:
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On December 18 2015 07:11 TheDougler wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:09 sharkie wrote:
I actually believe WCS Global events will be very rare.

Something like IEM WC or DH Winter will probably be a Global event, not much more than that


Any particular reason you believe that? (There very well may be. This post of their's is quite confusing.)


their wording, calling it "the only time foreigners and Koreans will meet each other before the global finals" implies that these events will be something special and unique


That's fair. I interpreted it as hammering in their main point: that region locked WCS Circuit MEANS region locked WCS Circuit (as opposed to the soft-locked WCS they've had the last two years).

But I can see it your way too. I guess we'll wait and see.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 17 2015 22:16 GMT
#166
IF DHs and IEMs are the Global WCS Events, granting WCS points, they could still be awesome great tournaments. Then, the WCS Circuit events could be something new.

So the only negative point will be that BlizzCon will not be anymore the tournament with the best players. It will be a tournament with 4 best world's players, 4 winners of Korean tournaments (who do not need to be necessarily the best players, maybe one or two of them), 2 good foreigners and 6 losers.
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
December 17 2015 22:16 GMT
#167
I think the biggest issue for a lot of this system is more financial than it is systematic in many ways.

You want to provide financial incentive for players to compete. The issue with the Korean leagues has simply been a lack of ability to make meaningful salaries and therefore justify the time investment.
The same goes for foreigners; it's easy to blame foreign regions for a lack of talent but that lack of skill in part derives from the ability to justify spending a large portion of your short life to playing a video game competitively.

Korea has money for the top, but only the top which makes it a double edged sword. The rest of the world just crumbles for the most part
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
December 17 2015 22:17 GMT
#168
On December 18 2015 07:16 Diabolique wrote:
So the only negative point will be that BlizzCon will not be anymore the tournament with the best players.

Blizzcon getting together the objectively 16 best players in the world at the time was mostly a dream anyway.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18696 Posts
December 17 2015 22:17 GMT
#169
On December 18 2015 07:16 Diabolique wrote:
IF DHs and IEMs are the Global WCS Events, granting WCS points, they could still be awesome great tournaments. Then, the WCS Circuit events could be something new.

So the only negative point will be that BlizzCon will not be anymore the tournament with the best players. It will be a tournament with 4 best world's players, 4 winners of Korean tournaments (who do not need to be necessarily the best players, maybe one or two of them), 2 good foreigners and 6 losers.


actually the 4 winners are the 4 best world's players and the other 4 Koreans are the ones who were able to attend the most global events... (Parting, MC style)
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 17 2015 22:17 GMT
#170
One thing is sure, a lot of koreans will decide to retire.

Can somebody tell me if JD will be able to play in WCS easy mode?
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
December 17 2015 22:18 GMT
#171
On December 18 2015 07:13 stuchiu wrote:
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On December 18 2015 07:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Gotta say I'm on board with this. Also, every foreigner can try and qualify for the GSL and SSL because there is no region lock. :D


No they cant, 5 weeks of travel per year, that isnt long enough for a season.

5 weeks of non-competitive travel aka vacation. It seems traveling to GSL doesn't count to this?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
December 17 2015 22:18 GMT
#172
On December 18 2015 07:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
One thing is sure, a lot of koreans will decide to retire.

Can somebody tell me if JD will be able to play in WCS easy mode?

He got a visa to play in WCS Premier this year so he should be eligible.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18696 Posts
December 17 2015 22:19 GMT
#173
On December 18 2015 07:18 Elentos wrote:
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On December 18 2015 07:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
One thing is sure, a lot of koreans will decide to retire.

Can somebody tell me if JD will be able to play in WCS easy mode?

He got a visa to play in WCS Premier this year so he should be eligible.


but JD travels way more than 5 weeks a year
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12131 Posts
December 17 2015 22:19 GMT
#174
On December 18 2015 07:19 sharkie wrote:
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On December 18 2015 07:18 Elentos wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
One thing is sure, a lot of koreans will decide to retire.

Can somebody tell me if JD will be able to play in WCS easy mode?

He got a visa to play in WCS Premier this year so he should be eligible.


but JD travels way more than 5 weeks a year

He simply won't. The end.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 17 2015 22:19 GMT
#175
On December 18 2015 07:19 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:18 Elentos wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
One thing is sure, a lot of koreans will decide to retire.

Can somebody tell me if JD will be able to play in WCS easy mode?

He got a visa to play in WCS Premier this year so he should be eligible.


but JD travels way more than 5 weeks a year


he'll either have to stay in NA for most of the year or go back to korea/retire then.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 17 2015 22:20 GMT
#176
im so confused but yay esports!
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18696 Posts
December 17 2015 22:20 GMT
#177
I am pretty sure one of the biggest reasons JD chose to compete outside of Korea was the freedom he got with it.
WCS Circuit system doesn't really give you much freedom...
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55586 Posts
December 17 2015 22:20 GMT
#178
On December 18 2015 07:19 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:18 Elentos wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
One thing is sure, a lot of koreans will decide to retire.

Can somebody tell me if JD will be able to play in WCS easy mode?

He got a visa to play in WCS Premier this year so he should be eligible.


but JD travels way more than 5 weeks a year

He's a professional tourist, he travels for competitive reasons
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 17 2015 22:21 GMT
#179
On December 18 2015 07:17 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:16 Diabolique wrote:
IF DHs and IEMs are the Global WCS Events, granting WCS points, they could still be awesome great tournaments. Then, the WCS Circuit events could be something new.

So the only negative point will be that BlizzCon will not be anymore the tournament with the best players. It will be a tournament with 4 best world's players, 4 winners of Korean tournaments (who do not need to be necessarily the best players, maybe one or two of them), 2 good foreigners and 6 losers.


actually the 4 winners are the 4 best world's players and the other 4 Koreans are the ones who were able to attend the most global events... (Parting, MC style)

No, they are not necessarily. You can win one season of the Korean league and not be the best performing player consistently. I am just sorry for someone great, who ended up second all the time. Because in the new system, he will probably not participate in BlizzCon.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
kell234
Profile Joined July 2014
Russian Federation44 Posts
December 17 2015 22:21 GMT
#180
bad news((( DH, IEM without korean(((
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