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HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
December 17 2015 22:22 GMT
#181
So this now guarantees Blizzcon spots to foreigners? Just dumb
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 17 2015 22:23 GMT
#182
OK, but the most important point now is to hear the news from IEM that they do not region lock ... then, they could become even a better tournament than BlizzCon.
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Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 22:24:22
December 17 2015 22:23 GMT
#183
On December 18 2015 07:21 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:17 sharkie wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:16 Diabolique wrote:
IF DHs and IEMs are the Global WCS Events, granting WCS points, they could still be awesome great tournaments. Then, the WCS Circuit events could be something new.

So the only negative point will be that BlizzCon will not be anymore the tournament with the best players. It will be a tournament with 4 best world's players, 4 winners of Korean tournaments (who do not need to be necessarily the best players, maybe one or two of them), 2 good foreigners and 6 losers.


actually the 4 winners are the 4 best world's players and the other 4 Koreans are the ones who were able to attend the most global events... (Parting, MC style)

No, they are not necessarily. You can win one season of the Korean league and not be the best performing player consistently. I am just sorry for someone great, who ended up second all the time. Because in the new system, he will probably not participate in BlizzCon.


If he gets second all the time he'll probably make it to Blizzcon considering how many points SSL and GSL award.

On December 18 2015 07:22 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
So this now guarantees Blizzcon spots to foreigners? Just dumb


No it doesn't as Blizzcon will only be RO8 this year.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 22:26:03
December 17 2015 22:23 GMT
#184
On December 18 2015 07:21 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:17 sharkie wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:16 Diabolique wrote:
IF DHs and IEMs are the Global WCS Events, granting WCS points, they could still be awesome great tournaments. Then, the WCS Circuit events could be something new.

So the only negative point will be that BlizzCon will not be anymore the tournament with the best players. It will be a tournament with 4 best world's players, 4 winners of Korean tournaments (who do not need to be necessarily the best players, maybe one or two of them), 2 good foreigners and 6 losers.


actually the 4 winners are the 4 best world's players and the other 4 Koreans are the ones who were able to attend the most global events... (Parting, MC style)

No, they are not necessarily. You can win one season of the Korean league and not be the best performing player consistently. I am just sorry for someone great, who ended up second all the time. Because in the new system, he will probably not participate in BlizzCon.

Theoretically someone taking second in every SSL/GSL finishes the year with over 10k WCS points and should be in the top 4 for WCS Korea excluding the champions.

It's way more trouble for players who never go all the way in Starleagues, fail in the semis, or players who miss 1 season because the balance sucked or something.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 17 2015 22:23 GMT
#185
On December 18 2015 07:18 Elentos wrote:
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On December 18 2015 07:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
One thing is sure, a lot of koreans will decide to retire.

Can somebody tell me if JD will be able to play in WCS easy mode?

He got a visa to play in WCS Premier this year so he should be eligible.

Hm yeah i thought so.
How many koreans will play this then?
violet, polt, JD, hydra
Anybody else?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
December 17 2015 22:25 GMT
#186
On December 18 2015 07:23 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:18 Elentos wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
One thing is sure, a lot of koreans will decide to retire.

Can somebody tell me if JD will be able to play in WCS easy mode?

He got a visa to play in WCS Premier this year so he should be eligible.

Hm yeah i thought so.
How many koreans will play this then?
violet, polt, JD, hydra
Anybody else?

In theory Stardust would have been able to but I'm not sure he still has a career. TRUE and DRG wanted to switch to WCS (which implies getting visa) but they started playing WCS Korea so I guess that's off.
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Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
December 17 2015 22:25 GMT
#187
On December 18 2015 07:17 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:16 Diabolique wrote:
So the only negative point will be that BlizzCon will not be anymore the tournament with the best players.

Blizzcon getting together the objectively 16 best players in the world at the time was mostly a dream anyway.


That is obviously an impossible dream in any theoretical world. At the very least including proleague as a way to win WCS points would lead to a more rational result in the context of picking "the best" players
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 17 2015 22:25 GMT
#188
On December 18 2015 07:21 kell234 wrote:
bad news((( DH, IEM without korean(((


Wrong. There will be WCS Global events with 50k+ as prizepool and 7500 points. Players from WCS Korea and the WCS Circuit can both compete in them and they will earn points that fit their region.

IEM and DH are the most likely events to be those WCS Global events.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
ivancype
Profile Joined December 2012
Brazil485 Posts
December 17 2015 22:25 GMT
#189
hopefully Blizzard took this long to announce this new system because they were also writing a "WCS for dummies" book so dumb people like me can understand it.
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Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
December 17 2015 22:26 GMT
#190
We better get a lot of global events or this sucks! Only 2 seasons of both SSL & GSL AND they are locked away from IEM/DH?

Anyway, it will be interesting to see the interest in this foreigner only events.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 17 2015 22:27 GMT
#191
On December 18 2015 07:15 Musicus wrote:
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On December 18 2015 07:13 stuchiu wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Gotta say I'm on board with this. Also, every foreigner can try and qualify for the GSL and SSL because there is no region lock. :D


No they cant, 5 weeks of travel per year, that isnt long enough for a season.


"Participants may only travel for non-competitive reasons 5 weeks per WCS competitive year outside of their WCS region"

GSL/SSL are competitive I dare say .


I forgot foreigners compete in that thing and arent on vacation.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 22:32:14
December 17 2015 22:28 GMT
#192
On December 18 2015 07:26 Sapphire.lux wrote:
We better get a lot of global events or this sucks! Only 2 seasons of both SSL & GSL AND they are locked away from IEM/DH?

Anyway, it will be interesting to see the interest in this foreigner only events.

IEM/DH can be global events why would they be locked

edit: Oh they are rumoured to be the circuit events hmmm
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
December 17 2015 22:28 GMT
#193
On December 18 2015 07:25 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:17 Elentos wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:16 Diabolique wrote:
So the only negative point will be that BlizzCon will not be anymore the tournament with the best players.

Blizzcon getting together the objectively 16 best players in the world at the time was mostly a dream anyway.


That is obviously an impossible dream in any theoretical world. At the very least including proleague as a way to win WCS points would lead to a more rational result in the context of picking "the best" players

This year's Blizzcon got deceptively close to the ideal, at least at the top, I will admit.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
December 17 2015 22:28 GMT
#194
On December 18 2015 07:23 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:21 Diabolique wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:17 sharkie wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:16 Diabolique wrote:
IF DHs and IEMs are the Global WCS Events, granting WCS points, they could still be awesome great tournaments. Then, the WCS Circuit events could be something new.

So the only negative point will be that BlizzCon will not be anymore the tournament with the best players. It will be a tournament with 4 best world's players, 4 winners of Korean tournaments (who do not need to be necessarily the best players, maybe one or two of them), 2 good foreigners and 6 losers.


actually the 4 winners are the 4 best world's players and the other 4 Koreans are the ones who were able to attend the most global events... (Parting, MC style)

No, they are not necessarily. You can win one season of the Korean league and not be the best performing player consistently. I am just sorry for someone great, who ended up second all the time. Because in the new system, he will probably not participate in BlizzCon.

Theoretically someone taking second in every SSL/GSL finishes the year with over 10k WCS points and should be in the top 4 for WCS Korea excluding the champions.

It's way more trouble for players who never go all the way in Starleagues, fail in the semis, or players who miss 1 season because the balance sucked or something.

Yes, this is what I meant. OK, someone making the second place twice might not make it. But it is true that the winner of any season will anyway make so many points that he will probably be in the Best WCS8, so probablythere will still be the TOP8.
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MorDka
Profile Joined October 2012
Poland543 Posts
December 17 2015 22:29 GMT
#195
I think that reason for 2 GSL and SSL events is to have the super hype matches between the champions and not having the problem of how will broadcast the matches. Will be 1 broadcasted by afreeca and 2nd one by SPOTV, if they had 3 season it would be problematic.

In my opinion Finals like this will be really good for korean viewers instead of having dumb studio finals.
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 22:30:21
December 17 2015 22:29 GMT
#196
On December 18 2015 07:28 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 07:25 Alucen-Will- wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:17 Elentos wrote:
On December 18 2015 07:16 Diabolique wrote:
So the only negative point will be that BlizzCon will not be anymore the tournament with the best players.

Blizzcon getting together the objectively 16 best players in the world at the time was mostly a dream anyway.


That is obviously an impossible dream in any theoretical world. At the very least including proleague as a way to win WCS points would lead to a more rational result in the context of picking "the best" players

This year's Blizzcon got deceptively close to the ideal, at least at the top, I will admit.


This year wasn't bad, certainly.

In many ways the concept of practically picking the "best" players from a year of players is so abstract that it is almost rendered meaningless. You just have to accept some misgivings and do your best, which is close to what happened last year
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
December 17 2015 22:30 GMT
#197
On December 18 2015 07:29 MorDka wrote:
I think that reason for 2 GSL and SSL events is to have the super hype matches between the champions and not having the problem of how will broadcast the matches. Will be 1 broadcasted by afreeca and 2nd one by SPOTV, if they had 3 season it would be problematic.

In my opinion Finals like this will be really good for korean viewers instead of having dumb studio finals.

They could have the 3rd one broadcasted by the WCS team to make it fair

I liked WCS 2013 with the 3 season finals
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17183 Posts
December 17 2015 22:31 GMT
#198
nice to see the pre-BlizzCon RO16 is a group play round. nice change.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 17 2015 22:33 GMT
#199
On December 18 2015 07:25 ivancype wrote:
hopefully Blizzard took this long to announce this new system because they were also writing a "WCS for dummies" book so dumb people like me can understand it.


But I still don't understand it
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 22:34:21
December 17 2015 22:33 GMT
#200
The intriguing thing will be to see how influental a single season of GSL/SSL truly is. Currently, players like Trust or RagnaroK with no notable achievements have a 600 point lead on championship caliber players who didn't qualify. Can they keep this up and earn more? Will someone miss Blizzcon by the exact 600 points they would have gotten by winning their last qualifying game?

It's actually kinda exciting.
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