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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 21:55:28
December 17 2015 21:55 GMT
#101
On December 18 2015 06:52 sharkie wrote:
What's the use of attending a WCS Global event if you earn almost no points in the Circuit/Korea? Only money



Read under WCS Global Events:

Players can earn points in the WCS Korea Standings or WCS Circuit Standings based on their eligibility for that standing.
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Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
December 17 2015 21:55 GMT
#102
On December 18 2015 06:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:49 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:47 opisska wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:45 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:43 TheDougler wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:36 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:34 Ansibled wrote:
Only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL

SSL vs GSL is cool though.

I'll bet my ass that KeSPA Cup will return and there will be more Korean events.

To be fair, if you look at it, this isn't that different from the 2015 system. DHs and IEMs are still the same that opens to anyone and will be dominated by Koreans.


Did I misinterpret that? I thought they were replacing DHs and IEMs with Circuit events which are still DHs and IEMs except now region locked, which is why Take said he wouldn't add HSC to that since it'd mean no Koreans at his tournament.. If I misread that then I'm actually pretty stoked about that and don't really have any problems with this.

Also in any case I'm excited about the competitive archon mode stuff.


No, read further below in the OP, WCS Global Events which are DHs and IEMs remain the same. The ones that are locked to foreigners are called WCS Circuit Events, different things.


No, this is not true according to the text posted by Blizzard


They posted THIS:

"WCS GLOBAL EVENTS

WCS Global Events are the only opportunity before the WCS Global Playoffs to bring together players from the WCS Korea and WCS Circuit systems to battle for points. The goal is to have the highest level of StarCraft II play open to players from both standings. For more information on the WCS Global Event requirements, check out our Requirements blog."


Even if that's right. which doesn't sound like that from the requirements blog, there is a thing.

Show nested quote +

These events award prize pool and points for the WCS Circuit.


So, uh, it doesn't boost your chances of getting through the Korean circuit.


Even if that's right? That's the official announcement of Blizzard. And if you look a little further below you'll see this:

Players can earn points in the WCS Korea Standings or WCS Circuit
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 17 2015 21:55 GMT
#103
On December 18 2015 06:51 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:37 opisska wrote:
Also, pleas ALL READ THIS:

http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/2016-wcs-details-and-requirements

It is detailed here what is the eligibility for playing in WCS Welfare. Things to note:
- there is still an exception for people who "can demonstrate consistent residency in a region starting on or before January 1, 2013" (even though it's hard to imagine someone is staying that long somewhere and does not have a visa that qualifies him anyway)
- being a progamer is now full-time slavery, where you can't leave your home region for more than 5 weeks in a year.

It would be good to start using the name everywhere it appears - as it is a perfect description.

WCS WELFARE

So it is true, they took away from us all the good events as IEM and DH. I just hope, some organizers will refuse it and organize a good tournament with good players from both worlds. I am also sorry that only 8 world's best players will be playing at BlizzCon. Think about the player number 9. Number 10. No more good dreamhack, no more good IEM, one season in GSL and SSL less ... fucking bad news :-(

Less of sOs except for PL. And probably no sOs in Anaheim Damn it
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 21:58:34
December 17 2015 21:55 GMT
#104
On December 18 2015 06:54 Diabolique wrote:
Wait. What? So the WCS Global Events will still exist? IEM and DH will be a WCS Global Event? HomeStory Cup is a WCS Global Event?


This HSC has nothing to do with WCS. The next one might even be a WCS Global event if they get the 25k boost. We won't know until then.
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goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1218 Posts
December 17 2015 21:56 GMT
#105
On December 18 2015 06:54 Diabolique wrote:
Wait. What? So the WCS Global Events will still exist? IEM and DH will be a WCS Global Event? HomeStory Cup is a WCS Global Event?


Likely, yes. Give TO's time to figure out their events for the year, before you start losing your head over it. We'll likely get more information regarding which tournaments will be part of the WCS Circuit and which ones will be Global Events early next year.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 17 2015 21:56 GMT
#106
I think how good WCS will be is dependent on how good the global events are. I'm going to be optimistic for the time being though, it sounds like it can be good.
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 21:58:48
December 17 2015 21:57 GMT
#107
On December 18 2015 06:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:49 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:47 opisska wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:45 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:43 TheDougler wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:36 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:34 Ansibled wrote:
Only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL

SSL vs GSL is cool though.

I'll bet my ass that KeSPA Cup will return and there will be more Korean events.

To be fair, if you look at it, this isn't that different from the 2015 system. DHs and IEMs are still the same that opens to anyone and will be dominated by Koreans.


Did I misinterpret that? I thought they were replacing DHs and IEMs with Circuit events which are still DHs and IEMs except now region locked, which is why Take said he wouldn't add HSC to that since it'd mean no Koreans at his tournament.. If I misread that then I'm actually pretty stoked about that and don't really have any problems with this.

Also in any case I'm excited about the competitive archon mode stuff.


No, read further below in the OP, WCS Global Events which are DHs and IEMs remain the same. The ones that are locked to foreigners are called WCS Circuit Events, different things.


No, this is not true according to the text posted by Blizzard


They posted THIS:

"WCS GLOBAL EVENTS

WCS Global Events are the only opportunity before the WCS Global Playoffs to bring together players from the WCS Korea and WCS Circuit systems to battle for points. The goal is to have the highest level of StarCraft II play open to players from both standings. For more information on the WCS Global Event requirements, check out our Requirements blog."


Even if that's right. which doesn't sound like that from the requirements blog, there is a thing.

Show nested quote +

These events award prize pool and points for the WCS Circuit.


So, uh, it doesn't boost your chances of getting through the Korean circuit.


And the only way for there to be as many weekend tournaments with both foreigners and Koreans is if, for every single Circuit-exclusive event, a completely new weekend premier is added on top of what 2015 had. Which I think is completely unrealistic, isn't it?

So we have 2015's tournament total, minus scene shrinkage, minus Circuit-exclusive events = events Koreans could possibly attend.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 17 2015 21:57 GMT
#108
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 17 2015 21:57 GMT
#109
On December 18 2015 06:46 Dodgin wrote:
I guess we can't complain too much about 2 seasons of GSL/SSL, it's still 4 tournaments + proleague/kespa cup.

Why can't we complain? 4 tournaments is a lot less than 6, SSL even got rid of group stage which means each season has only 15 series. Especially when Koreans are locked out of foreign tournaments. I was expecting the format to be better than the rumours due to some people's Twitter comments, but it's a lot worse and I totally expect lots of retirements in Korea. Parting and Rain will be the most painful retirements for me .
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
December 17 2015 21:58 GMT
#110
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

1 less GSL and SSL
8 Koreans from Korea at Blizzcon (the rest is from WCS Welfare)
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17676 Posts
December 17 2015 21:58 GMT
#111
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
December 17 2015 21:59 GMT
#112
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all

i think it was pretty simple
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 17 2015 22:00 GMT
#113
On December 18 2015 06:59 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all

i think it was pretty simple

If you think it's simple then you probably don't understand it :p.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 17 2015 22:00 GMT
#114
On December 18 2015 06:59 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all

i think it was pretty simple


Then please explain it. Is much different than the rumor week ago? What exactly the good side of it?
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
December 17 2015 22:01 GMT
#115
On December 18 2015 06:52 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:52 sharkie wrote:
What's the use of attending a WCS Global event if you earn almost no points in the Circuit/Korea? Only money

yea that's dumb too, those points don't help koreans much at all

Hmm if you are a player in GSL playing in the semis and you win the semis but lose the finals, you can watch the guy you just beat go make the final in a WCS Global event and pass you in points. I'm sure the "victims" who see the people they beat in GSL/SSL passing them in the points won't think it's so insignificant. Every bit will add up. The points are enough to add an additional dimension of drama to the events.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 17 2015 22:01 GMT
#116
On December 18 2015 07:00 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:59 Wintex wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:58 Die4Ever wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:57 WrathSCII wrote:
I just read it...

I have no idea what or how this system even works...

yea it's like they just kept adding complexity without simplifying anything at all

i think it was pretty simple

If you think it's simple then you probably don't understand it :p.

It's not that difficult. I mean most people skip the part about WCS Global events aka events with Koreans and foreigners/Koreigners, and that's a really important one.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
December 17 2015 22:02 GMT
#117
As it stands right now, the most broken strategies that should eventually get nerfed (such as Oracle/Adept into double expand against Terran) will dictate who we see at the global finals at the end of this year and not who the actual most skilled players are because the game is in such a badly refined state at the moment.

This system is going to do great damage in the short term to the Korean scene, and I'm never watching a foreigner tournament like DH or IEM again. The level of competition is remarkably lower and makes the matches themselves uninteresting. I watch Starcraft for the gameplay and excitement, not because I want to hear someone talk in English after they win a game.

The biggest tragedy is that we're only going to see the best Korean Starcraft players play in individual leagues twice a year now.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
December 17 2015 22:02 GMT
#118
On December 18 2015 07:01 NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:52 Die4Ever wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:52 sharkie wrote:
What's the use of attending a WCS Global event if you earn almost no points in the Circuit/Korea? Only money

yea that's dumb too, those points don't help koreans much at all

Hmm if you are a player in GSL playing in the semis and you win the semis but lose the finals, you can watch the guy you just beat go make the final in a WCS Global event and pass you in points. I'm sure the "victims" who see the people they beat in GSL/SSL passing them in the points won't think it's so insignificant. Every bit will add up. The points are enough to add an additional dimension of drama to the events.

I agree, the fact that there are opportunities to make up for points you didn't get in Starleagues is really important. Especially for all those guys who don't get into the first GSL/SSL season on the back of map, balance and meta issues.
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TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 22:03:20
December 17 2015 22:02 GMT
#119
The Gosu Trophy? What a name.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
December 17 2015 22:03 GMT
#120
On December 18 2015 06:44 Musicus wrote:
What are many here talking about?

There can still be WCS Global events with foreigners and Koreas. They will earn the points that fit their region.

So IEM can just request the 25k WCS boost, then it can be a 50k+ WCS Global event with Koreans right?


They can, that doesnt mean they will.
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