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Granwyth
Profile Joined November 2015
15 Posts
December 17 2015 21:41 GMT
#61
I'm just pissed I have to figure out a whole new WCS every year.
Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
December 17 2015 21:41 GMT
#62
Really sad that the inhouse produced WCS in Eu will be gone, i loved these more than the weekend tournaments.
Simply because its more convenient to watch a round after you finished your workday

Also it was pretty epic to see foreigners trying to actually come up with sick builds and strategy based on their opponents for a round like SSL or GSL have.
"If you don't know where you are going, you can never get lost."
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
December 17 2015 21:42 GMT
#63
well, it's not that bad... most disappointing thing is probably only 2 seasons of both SSL & GSL
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
December 17 2015 21:42 GMT
#64
On December 18 2015 06:42 Yhamm wrote:
well, it's not that bad... most disappointing thing is probably only 2 seasons of both SSL & GSL

I hate it
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
December 17 2015 21:42 GMT
#65
On December 18 2015 06:39 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:38 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:34 Elentos wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:33 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Dammit, Blizzard.
You had the chance to abort this and didn't care.

;/

Did they though? You think any sponsor will agree with them cancelling this last second?


But will tournament organizers agree with them, that's the thing.
Like, it's not 2000, people want the competition, even if they want their hometown heroes to strive.

Given we don't have too many tournament orgs nowdays (basically IEM/DH and DH already has CS:GO as a primary game).
Still suxlol.

At least they didn't give WCS points to Proleague, thank God.

Well, they explicitly mention partnership with ESL and Dreamhack, so take your guess what the organizers think.


"Blizzard is planning three WCS Circuit Championship events together with up to eight sponsored WCS circuit events hosted and supported by ESL, DreamHack and other partners who apply."
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
December 17 2015 21:43 GMT
#66
On December 18 2015 06:37 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:34 Ansibled wrote:
Only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL

SSL vs GSL is cool though.


SSL vs GSL = two Bo7 (?) series over the course of the entire year, so... maybe two hours of SC2 content?

If the same player doesn't win GSL and SSL in which case he can't possibly play against himself?

Lol. So hype.

It's more. Top 2 of each league play a small tournament aswell as competing in archon mode. Twice a year. They might fill 2 days with each cross competition depending on schedule.
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Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
December 17 2015 21:43 GMT
#67

WCS Global Events—7500
$50,000+ prize pool
16+ Players
7,500 points
Players can earn points in the WCS Korea Standings or WCS Circuit
Standings based on their eligibility for that standing.


What determines if they earn points in WCS Korea vs WCS Circuit? Obviously it is unlikely, but is it possible that someone could meet the WCS Circuit requirements, play in WCS Circuit tournaments, and still travel to WCS Korea and earn points in both leagues?
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
December 17 2015 21:43 GMT
#68
On December 18 2015 06:36 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:34 Ansibled wrote:
Only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL

SSL vs GSL is cool though.

I'll bet my ass that KeSPA Cup will return and there will be more Korean events.

To be fair, if you look at it, this isn't that different from the 2015 system. DHs and IEMs are still the same that opens to anyone and will be dominated by Koreans.


Did I misinterpret that? I thought they were replacing DHs and IEMs with Circuit events which are still DHs and IEMs except now region locked, which is why Take said he wouldn't add HSC to that since it'd mean no Koreans at his tournament.. If I misread that then I'm actually pretty stoked about that and don't really have any problems with this.

Also in any case I'm excited about the competitive archon mode stuff.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17725 Posts
December 17 2015 21:44 GMT
#69
On December 18 2015 06:43 Popkiller wrote:
Show nested quote +

WCS Global Events—7500
$50,000+ prize pool
16+ Players
7,500 points
Players can earn points in the WCS Korea Standings or WCS Circuit
Standings based on their eligibility for that standing.


What determines if they earn points in WCS Korea vs WCS Circuit? Obviously it is unlikely, but is it possible that someone could meet the WCS Circuit requirements, play in WCS Circuit tournaments, and still travel to WCS Korea and earn points in both leagues?

yea this is weird
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pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 21:45:50
December 17 2015 21:44 GMT
#70
On December 18 2015 06:41 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:40 pure.Wasted wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:38 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
At least they didn't give WCS points to Proleague, thank God.


As I said before, it literally doesn't matter what changes they make to WCS points in Korea, because Koreans are only being compared against other Koreans. It matters for individual players, but for the region as a whole, they're going to have the exact same amount of representation regardless of how well anyone performs.

It matters for koreans who don't play in proleague


Lots of things matter to lots of individuals. The absurd state of balance in the game ATM matters to Terran players who are now much less likely to appear in Blizzcon because the qualifiers for all s1 events will be done/significantly underway by the time any balance patches roll around, and there's only one other season of events left after this.

But Blizz puts "increase in prize pool and increase in WCS points" in the same sentence as though an increase in WCS points for Korean events is somehow great for Koreans. It's not. It makes zero difference. Blizzard could cut the amount of WCS points Koreans get in half and that wouldn't even be a bad thing.

But I guess that wouldn't look so good on a press release.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
December 17 2015 21:44 GMT
#71
What are many here talking about?

There can still be WCS Global events with foreigners and Koreas. They will earn the points that fit their region.

So IEM can just request the 25k WCS boost, then it can be a 50k+ WCS Global event with Koreans right?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 21:45:40
December 17 2015 21:44 GMT
#72
On December 18 2015 06:43 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:36 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:34 Ansibled wrote:
Only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL

SSL vs GSL is cool though.

I'll bet my ass that KeSPA Cup will return and there will be more Korean events.

To be fair, if you look at it, this isn't that different from the 2015 system. DHs and IEMs are still the same that opens to anyone and will be dominated by Koreans.


Did I misinterpret that? I thought they were replacing DHs and IEMs with Circuit events which are still DHs and IEMs except now region locked, which is why Take said he wouldn't add HSC to that since it'd mean no Koreans at his tournament.. If I misread that then I'm actually pretty stoked about that and don't really have any problems with this.

Also in any case I'm excited about the competitive archon mode stuff.

It is possible they were still working this out.

So WCS global events are both Korean and Foreigner tournaments throughout the year?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 21:45:30
December 17 2015 21:45 GMT
#73
On December 18 2015 06:43 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:36 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:34 Ansibled wrote:
Only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL

SSL vs GSL is cool though.

I'll bet my ass that KeSPA Cup will return and there will be more Korean events.

To be fair, if you look at it, this isn't that different from the 2015 system. DHs and IEMs are still the same that opens to anyone and will be dominated by Koreans.


Did I misinterpret that? I thought they were replacing DHs and IEMs with Circuit events which are still DHs and IEMs except now region locked, which is why Take said he wouldn't add HSC to that since it'd mean no Koreans at his tournament.. If I misread that then I'm actually pretty stoked about that and don't really have any problems with this.

Also in any case I'm excited about the competitive archon mode stuff.


No, read further below in the OP, WCS Global Events which are DHs and IEMs remain the same. The ones that are locked to foreigners are called WCS Circuit Events, different things.
TranslatorIf you want to ask anything about Chinese esports, send me a PM or follow me @nerddigmouse.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 21:46:32
December 17 2015 21:45 GMT
#74
I like the single elim bo5's at the circuit championship. The groups of 4 thing has been so overused. Single elim bracket gets into the excitement immediately.

It seems like top players will be traveling a lot. I guess we'll wait and see how many events an individual actually attends.

This seems like the best format they've ever used for the Blizzcon tournament (aka Global Finals now). In BW it was a joke, just invites that you couldn't hope to earn in any direct way. In past SC2 tournaments, we've had 16 great players but there isn't enough time to show all their matches, so you'd go in with an expectation of getting to watch certain players and then you couldn't. So they improved that by doing Ro16 the week before. And now they're keeping that but they're increasing the chances of a non-Korean making it deeper. Of the 8 who qualify, who can actually win some rounds? Impossible to know who will be hot at the moment, but by having 8 chances there should be someone. And if they're all really that much worse than the Koreans, then the Global Finals is still 100% Korean and people who want "the best" will get it.

One problem that remains is that you have people who qualified because they were good in December - June and they have been a lot worse July - October but they still get to play at the biggest tournament of the year in November. What a challenge to try to find a solution for that. But the truth is that most fans don't even notice this so I think we just have to accept it.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 17 2015 21:46 GMT
#75
I guess we can't complain too much about 2 seasons of GSL/SSL, it's still 4 tournaments + proleague/kespa cup.
Lgnarrow
Profile Joined April 2015
104 Posts
December 17 2015 21:46 GMT
#76
On December 18 2015 06:37 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:34 Lgnarrow wrote:
Wait, can koreans play in this Circuit WCS ?

If they meet the conditions
http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/articles/2016-wcs-details-and-requirements


Thanks. So korean Koreans will not play it. Only those foreign Koreans. That sucks for me. Watching grup stage of Worlds finals will be pointless ... I guess they want to make starcraft more popular outside Korea. But c'mon... there is nothing more interesting in SC2 than whatching top Korean beasts fighting. For me watching foreigners is not funny. Maybe only top foreigners at their best, when they fight even with good Korean players. But all the rest dont make the game entertaining. Just my opinion. What about you guys ?
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
December 17 2015 21:46 GMT
#77
On December 18 2015 06:42 Yhamm wrote:
well, it's not that bad... most disappointing thing is probably only 2 seasons of both SSL & GSL


That's how I feel as well. Hopefully it'll be staggered nicely. Hopefully with a Ho6 Cup or Kespa Cup and Proleague in between so theres no content droughts.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-17 21:47:08
December 17 2015 21:47 GMT
#78
On December 18 2015 06:44 Musicus wrote:
What are many here talking about?

There can still be WCS Global events with foreigners and Koreas. They will earn the points that fit their region.

So IEM can just request the 25k WCS boost, then it can be a 50k+ WCS Global event with Koreans right?


>>

Organizers will add additional seeds at their own discretion, including but not limited to:

Additional Online Qualifiers
Open Onsite Brackets
Invitations (Max 25%)
Other (pending approval by Blizzard Entertainment)

All players must adhere to the general residency requirements of the WCS Circuit

The number of players participating in the Global Qualifiers cannot be limited or capped

The Global Qualifiers dates must be published in English at least one week prior to the start of the qualifier tournament


Doesn't sound like that.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
December 17 2015 21:47 GMT
#79
On December 18 2015 06:45 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:43 TheDougler wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:36 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:34 Ansibled wrote:
Only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL

SSL vs GSL is cool though.

I'll bet my ass that KeSPA Cup will return and there will be more Korean events.

To be fair, if you look at it, this isn't that different from the 2015 system. DHs and IEMs are still the same that opens to anyone and will be dominated by Koreans.


Did I misinterpret that? I thought they were replacing DHs and IEMs with Circuit events which are still DHs and IEMs except now region locked, which is why Take said he wouldn't add HSC to that since it'd mean no Koreans at his tournament.. If I misread that then I'm actually pretty stoked about that and don't really have any problems with this.

Also in any case I'm excited about the competitive archon mode stuff.


No, read further below in the OP, WCS Global Events which are DHs and IEMs remain the same. The ones that are locked to foreigners are called WCS Circuit Events, different things.


Oh wow. Okay, that's actually pretty sweet.

I mean, people make fair points that the RO8 will be Korean only, and I know that SHOULD be important to me. But frankly, I think overall they've done a pretty good job of this.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 17 2015 21:47 GMT
#80
On December 18 2015 06:45 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2015 06:43 TheDougler wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:36 digmouse wrote:
On December 18 2015 06:34 Ansibled wrote:
Only 2 seasons of GSL/SSL

SSL vs GSL is cool though.

I'll bet my ass that KeSPA Cup will return and there will be more Korean events.

To be fair, if you look at it, this isn't that different from the 2015 system. DHs and IEMs are still the same that opens to anyone and will be dominated by Koreans.


Did I misinterpret that? I thought they were replacing DHs and IEMs with Circuit events which are still DHs and IEMs except now region locked, which is why Take said he wouldn't add HSC to that since it'd mean no Koreans at his tournament.. If I misread that then I'm actually pretty stoked about that and don't really have any problems with this.

Also in any case I'm excited about the competitive archon mode stuff.


No, read further below in the OP, WCS Global Events which are DHs and IEMs remain the same. The ones that are locked to foreigners are called WCS Circuit Events, different things.


No, this is not true according to the text posted by Blizzard
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