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iGX
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia414 Posts
June 10 2015 08:48 GMT
#121
The SC2 community really amazes me at times like these. For most of SC2's young life span, GSL was "The" league to follow and was immensely entertaining. But because of this, people are willing to let and even hoped GOM would die when they've done more than most entities out there so far. I always knew toxicity was part of most communities but some of the responses in this thread really takes it to a new level. GOM doesn't owe us anything and is it really THAT expensive to pay $8/month when you probably spent more on shit you don't even need?
When your bases are ashes...then you have my permission to "GG".
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28528 Posts
June 10 2015 08:48 GMT
#122
On June 10 2015 17:46 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:43 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I'm not even sure why this is such a big issue honestly. Perhaps it speaks about the maturity level of the community that people complain about paying 5$ a month for a service as they would any other service in the world.

At least understand that people need to be compensated for work, even if you dislike GOM.


So you are saying that the other tournaments runners aren't making money because they offer high quality for free. Ok. Then everyone is stupid and only GSL found the ultimate way to make big money off of tournaments.

And, he's saying you're a child; Nice, isn't it?
I Protoss winner, could it be?
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
June 10 2015 08:49 GMT
#123
On June 10 2015 17:46 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:43 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I'm not even sure why this is such a big issue honestly. Perhaps it speaks about the maturity level of the community that people complain about paying 5$ a month for a service as they would any other service in the world.

At least understand that people need to be compensated for work, even if you dislike GOM.


So you are saying that the other tournaments runners aren't making money because they offer high quality for free. Ok. Then everyone is stupid and only GSL found the ultimate way to make big money off of tournaments.


If GSL goes out, then SSL can do exact same as GSL or worse. That's monopoly for you.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
June 10 2015 08:49 GMT
#124
On June 10 2015 17:43 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I'm not even sure why this is such a big issue honestly. Perhaps it speaks about the maturity level of the community that people complain about paying 5$ a month for a service as they would any other service in the world.

At least understand that people need to be compensated for work, even if you dislike GOM.


that's why you don't adblock their shitty ads in the middle of actual games.
Zest fanboy.
MChrome
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands201 Posts
June 10 2015 08:49 GMT
#125
On June 10 2015 17:35 Orlok wrote:
On twitch, it averages around 10,000 viewers and 15000 to 20000 in the finals or important matches. Korean viewership is really not at an all high level despite the current dip in popularity LOL has at the moment.
GOMTV needs the money, and I firmly believe that instead of crapping about why its always low quality, its a bad business model, stuff that is obvious etc we should at least pity the once greatest SC2 tournament of all time hands down and try to support it in its time of crisis.
Sure, I also dislike that there is a paywall for above MEDIUM quality, I also dislike the really awful casting Tasteosis has been showing recently. It will put off people who don't have the inclination or ability to monthly pay the amount needed.
But no-one can deny that GSL has been the longest lasting, and the most loyal and epic tournament SC2 has had in its lifespan. Its had memorable moments and glorious experiences that no other tournament has and ever will.
Lets try to save GSL one step at a time, and then after all the dust has cleared, we can start to make the steps necessary to ensure free HD quality, free vods and overall refurbishment of the tournament. We won't be able to complain about the GSL if it ceases to exist, and the prospect of perhaps NEVER being able to watch GSL again saddens me to no end.
Trust me, If Korean vods and HD quality was behind a paywall, I would be thrusting my wallet towards them.
People who can pay, lets pay instead of saying they should change for us, that their model is wrong. We know its wrong, so lets try to support them to the point where they can do things right.
Hopefully no-one bashes this post. I am in no way saying that putting a steep paywall is right. I am merely trying to say lets support GOM if they're in a shitty spot. That's what passionate fans do, right?


I think Blizzard needs to help out here in order to increase viewership. What you are suggesting is nice, but it's treating the symptoms, not the cause.

I do hope Blizzard finally comes to their senses and makes SC2 multiplayer F2P (only charge for the SP part). That, and pull LOTV back just a bit from gimmicky MOBA casters to an actual RTS with fun units.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 10 2015 08:50 GMT
#126
On June 10 2015 17:47 Destructicon wrote:
Man, I feel really sorry for the GSL and what they seem to be forced to do and can't help but feel it goes back to when Blizzard forced the Twitch partnership down their throat, ever since its been downhill.

Exactly this. People are quick to point fingers at GSL being greedy, but after all, it's a company that was forced to abandon it's properly working system for Twitch.TV and all the flaws with it (terrible, loud, repetitive adds, stuttering, twitch chat) probably costing them in revenue. Afterwards, they were sort of abandoned with a poorly working system...
At least SSL can stream on Azubu, which has higher quality, less stutter etc.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
June 10 2015 08:50 GMT
#127
On June 10 2015 17:46 KingAlphard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:43 Alucen-Will- wrote:
I'm not even sure why this is such a big issue honestly. Perhaps it speaks about the maturity level of the community that people complain about paying 5$ a month for a service as they would any other service in the world.

At least understand that people need to be compensated for work, even if you dislike GOM.


So you are saying that the other tournaments runners aren't making money because they offer high quality for free. Ok. Then everyone is stupid and only GSL found the ultimate way to make big money off of tournaments.


Considering that most tournaments run based off exposure and the revenue from sponsors, yes. Because Sc2 has lower viewership these days in all tournaments, fewer TO's are willing to hosts the game. GOM is just acknowledging this fact and must take this measure in order to cut losses. WCS is financially backed by blizzard and SPOTV is a Korean TV station who can afford to lose some money on an english broadcast.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 10 2015 08:51 GMT
#128
I wonder if GSL will follow a pattern of offering Ro.16 & Ro.32 in free medium quality but when it reaches the important rounds they only offer low.
That actually sounds like a reasonable model. I can't really put into words why but it feels like a fair approach.
Zerg for Life
xdevilx2
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany38 Posts
June 10 2015 08:51 GMT
#129
If they struggle with money then I doubt that the few extra subs that they will get help. I mean thats maybe 200$ more?
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 10 2015 08:52 GMT
#130
On June 10 2015 17:51 xdevilx2 wrote:
If they struggle with money then I doubt that the few extra subs that they will get help. I mean thats maybe 200$ more?

And were did you get those figures?
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
June 10 2015 08:53 GMT
#131
On June 10 2015 17:48 iGX wrote:
The SC2 community really amazes me at times like these. For most of SC2's young life span, GSL was "The" league to follow and was immensely entertaining. But because of this, people are willing to let and even hoped GOM would die when they've done more than most entities out there so far. I always knew toxicity was part of most communities but some of the responses in this thread really takes it to a new level. GOM doesn't owe us anything and is it really THAT expensive to pay $8/month when you probably spent more on shit you don't even need?


If they don't want us to watch, why watch? I'm glad they did what they did but now they seem to have given up. When they were the sole provider of KR starcraft, it was okay. Now we have S2SL, SPL, Kespa cup, WCS, IEM and DH providing similar or better content, with S2SL and SPL being the flagships of superb KR starcraft.
maru G5L pls
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
June 10 2015 08:53 GMT
#132
On June 10 2015 17:51 KelsierSC wrote:
I wonder if GSL will follow a pattern of offering Ro.16 & Ro.32 in free medium quality but when it reaches the important rounds they only offer low.
That actually sounds like a reasonable model. I can't really put into words why but it feels like a fair approach.

Don't know why it reminded me a "shady" guy offering you free try of his "good stuff" so you can then buy it when the proper time comes But yeah, it sounds good to me too.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
June 10 2015 08:54 GMT
#133
On June 10 2015 17:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:47 Destructicon wrote:
Man, I feel really sorry for the GSL and what they seem to be forced to do and can't help but feel it goes back to when Blizzard forced the Twitch partnership down their throat, ever since its been downhill.

Exactly this. People are quick to point fingers at GSL being greedy, but after all, it's a company that was forced to abandon it's properly working system for Twitch.TV and all the flaws with it (terrible, loud, repetitive adds, stuttering, twitch chat) probably costing them in revenue. Afterwards, they were sort of abandoned with a poorly working system...
At least SSL can stream on Azubu, which has higher quality, less stutter etc.


Spotvs twitch streams are usually fine
maru G5L pls
xdevilx2
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany38 Posts
June 10 2015 08:54 GMT
#134
I just made them up. I mean how much money would they get? They probably have a special deal with twitch so that the revenue for subs is better. But now that they change back to locked medium quality, I doubt that all of the sudden hunreds of people will sub.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 08:58:19
June 10 2015 08:54 GMT
#135
On June 10 2015 17:45 RolyPoly~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:41 Rollora wrote:
I wouldn't mind it, I paid for many seasons until it was only PvPvPvP.

how convenient for you that gom did this AFTER the ro16, cuz now you can blame it on protoss

Actually last time they did this very early (after the very first games) and PvPvPvP was throughout all 2014, so I knew in advance "I don't pay for that"
In case you didn't realize: I was refering to past broadcasts
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
June 10 2015 08:55 GMT
#136
so, GOM basically claims that their twitch subscriber revenue is paramount for them to survive as a business? If I was a potential sponsor/business partner, I don't think I'd want to go into business with someone who relies on twitch subs/ads. Seriously, they have no idea how to run a business.
And furthermore, after seeing what quality free medium was, why the hell would I even pay for that now that it's gonna be behind the paywall again
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 10 2015 08:55 GMT
#137
On June 10 2015 17:53 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:51 KelsierSC wrote:
I wonder if GSL will follow a pattern of offering Ro.16 & Ro.32 in free medium quality but when it reaches the important rounds they only offer low.
That actually sounds like a reasonable model. I can't really put into words why but it feels like a fair approach.

Don't know why it reminded me a "shady" guy offering you free try of his "good stuff" so you can then buy it when the proper time comes But yeah, it sounds good to me too.


I'm almost positive that GOM doesn't supply drugs. =)
Zerg for Life
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
June 10 2015 08:55 GMT
#138
On June 10 2015 17:54 neptunusfisk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:50 SC2Toastie wrote:
On June 10 2015 17:47 Destructicon wrote:
Man, I feel really sorry for the GSL and what they seem to be forced to do and can't help but feel it goes back to when Blizzard forced the Twitch partnership down their throat, ever since its been downhill.

Exactly this. People are quick to point fingers at GSL being greedy, but after all, it's a company that was forced to abandon it's properly working system for Twitch.TV and all the flaws with it (terrible, loud, repetitive adds, stuttering, twitch chat) probably costing them in revenue. Afterwards, they were sort of abandoned with a poorly working system...
At least SSL can stream on Azubu, which has higher quality, less stutter etc.


Spotvs twitch streams are usually fine

And youtube livestreams. And other services
afreecaTV.Char
Profile Joined December 2014
United States339 Posts
June 10 2015 08:56 GMT
#139
At this point, I wonder if GSL will even be around for the 2016 season. It is a pretty real possibility that they will just be gone. Financially they can not compete with SPOTV, and I doubt they are making a profit from their English stream. Even their Korean stream could be operating at a deficit.
Former AfreecaTV Esports Manager (2014-2024)
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
June 10 2015 08:56 GMT
#140
Low, why not mobile?
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