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Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
June 10 2015 08:57 GMT
#141
On June 10 2015 17:56 KappaKingPrime wrote:
Low, why not mobile?

Why not Audio only?
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
June 10 2015 08:58 GMT
#142
On June 10 2015 17:56 afreecaTV.Char wrote:
At this point, I wonder if GSL will even be around for the 2016 season. It is a pretty real possibility that they will just be gone. Financially they can not compete with SPOTV, and I doubt they are making a profit from their English stream. Even their Korean stream could be operating at a deficit.

I think you're right. Hopefully someone else can take over so we keep the double tournament format.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
June 10 2015 08:59 GMT
#143
On June 10 2015 17:57 Jono7272 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:56 KappaKingPrime wrote:
Low, why not mobile?

Why not Audio only?

The question is: in which quality?
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
June 10 2015 08:59 GMT
#144
On June 10 2015 17:58 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:56 afreecaTV.Char wrote:
At this point, I wonder if GSL will even be around for the 2016 season. It is a pretty real possibility that they will just be gone. Financially they can not compete with SPOTV, and I doubt they are making a profit from their English stream. Even their Korean stream could be operating at a deficit.

I think you're right. Hopefully someone else can take over so we keep the double tournament format.


OGN can buy them and hold OGSL
maru G5L pls
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 10 2015 08:59 GMT
#145
I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low"

It could just be a new model they are experimenting with.
Zerg for Life
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
June 10 2015 09:01 GMT
#146
On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote:
I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low"

It could just be a new model they are experimenting with.

they did this last season already
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
June 10 2015 09:01 GMT
#147
On June 10 2015 17:59 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:57 Jono7272 wrote:
On June 10 2015 17:56 KappaKingPrime wrote:
Low, why not mobile?

Why not Audio only?

The question is: in which quality?

Spotify Style, 2 minutes of adds every 10 minutes of music !
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 10 2015 09:02 GMT
#148
On June 10 2015 17:58 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:56 afreecaTV.Char wrote:
At this point, I wonder if GSL will even be around for the 2016 season. It is a pretty real possibility that they will just be gone. Financially they can not compete with SPOTV, and I doubt they are making a profit from their English stream. Even their Korean stream could be operating at a deficit.

I think you're right. Hopefully someone else can take over so we keep the double tournament format.


If GOM did fold then Blizzard would make SSL the exclusive, Korean WCS tournament.

Without Blizzard support, no tournament outside of Kespa would be allowed to exist.
Zerg for Life
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 09:03:47
June 10 2015 09:02 GMT
#149
On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote:
I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low"

It could just be a new model they are experimenting with.

New? It's even the second time this year that they try this..
On June 10 2015 18:02 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:58 Penev wrote:
On June 10 2015 17:56 afreecaTV.Char wrote:
At this point, I wonder if GSL will even be around for the 2016 season. It is a pretty real possibility that they will just be gone. Financially they can not compete with SPOTV, and I doubt they are making a profit from their English stream. Even their Korean stream could be operating at a deficit.

I think you're right. Hopefully someone else can take over so we keep the double tournament format.


If GOM did fold then Blizzard would make SSL the exclusive, Korean WCS tournament.

Without Blizzard support, no tournament outside of Kespa would be allowed to exist.

You have no way of knowing this.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
June 10 2015 09:03 GMT
#150
On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote:
I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low"

It could just be a new model they are experimenting with.

You must not have read the OP
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 10 2015 09:04 GMT
#151
On June 10 2015 18:01 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote:
I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low"

It could just be a new model they are experimenting with.

they did this last season already


they switched it for the ro.8 specifically?
If so then it confirms what I thought that they have adopted this, "paywall for the premier rounds" which feels like a fair system.
Zerg for Life
trada
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany347 Posts
June 10 2015 09:04 GMT
#152
On June 10 2015 17:59 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:57 Jono7272 wrote:
On June 10 2015 17:56 KappaKingPrime wrote:
Low, why not mobile?

Why not Audio only?

The question is: in which quality?

you will have to pay extra for vowels.

commercials are free though
~
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 10 2015 09:05 GMT
#153
On June 10 2015 18:03 Shinta) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote:
I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low"

It could just be a new model they are experimenting with.

You must not have read the OP


i'm saying there is probably more to it than was in the OP
Zerg for Life
Mojito99
Profile Joined October 2013
Germany154 Posts
June 10 2015 09:05 GMT
#154
On June 10 2015 17:52 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 17:51 xdevilx2 wrote:
If they struggle with money then I doubt that the few extra subs that they will get help. I mean thats maybe 200$ more?

And were did you get those figures?



Regarding the money side of this decision.

Essentially, this move hurts the english viewership only. As far as I know, the majority of sponsors of the GSL do not have the english audience as a target group. So increased english viewership offers nothing to Gom. Therefore its absolutely reasonable to "charge extra" simply because neither GOM nor their sponsors were benefitting from english viewership in the first place.

The only reason to provide a free HD stream is because the additional exposure offers enough value to the sponsors to compensate the provider of the service (which would be the Goms, Dreahhacks, IEMs) to not put up a paywall.

Most reasonable economic "growth models" would advice against this sort of move. But for an organisation with no intent on expanding or bringing in foreign "investment" - aka sponsors - there is really nothing to say against it.

Happy to hear counter arguments :D

boomshine
Profile Joined March 2013
Belgium9 Posts
June 10 2015 09:06 GMT
#155
Low profit still is profit, think about the community
ther's a hole lot of pain
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
June 10 2015 09:06 GMT
#156
On June 10 2015 18:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 18:01 Rollora wrote:
On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote:
I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low"

It could just be a new model they are experimenting with.

they did this last season already


they switched it for the ro.8 specifically?
If so then it confirms what I thought that they have adopted this, "paywall for the premier rounds" which feels like a fair system.

No, the entire season was in low -_-
I Protoss winner, could it be?
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3318 Posts
June 10 2015 09:06 GMT
#157
How much support from WCS is GOM getting?
If it's about the same as SSL then they are perfectly replaceable.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28475 Posts
June 10 2015 09:07 GMT
#158
On June 10 2015 18:06 pmp10 wrote:
How much support from WCS is GOM getting?
If it's about the same as SSL then they are perfectly replaceable.

Not completely sure but at least the price pool is funded by Blizzard.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 10 2015 09:10 GMT
#159
On June 10 2015 18:06 pmp10 wrote:
How much support from WCS is GOM getting?
If it's about the same as SSL then they are perfectly replaceable.


it isn't a simple case of phoning up blizzard and stating you are "starting a tournament so fund me please"

Someone in the scene will have to start up a tournament , get the infrastructure and get the players involved, then get blizzard involved. With how the scene is in Korea , and with kespa ,potentially, muscling out the competition. It is no where near a case of GSL being "perfectly replacable

Zerg for Life
afreecaTV.Char
Profile Joined December 2014
United States337 Posts
June 10 2015 09:11 GMT
#160
On June 10 2015 18:06 boomshine wrote:
Low profit still is profit, think about the community

No profit is still no profit. Their revenue from twitch ads / subs more than likely do not cover the expenses to run it, the English steam. Knowing that the Korean broadcast is more expensive than the English one, they may not be completely covering their expenses either.
Former AfreecaTV Esports Manager (2014-2024)
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