On June 10 2015 17:56 KappaKingPrime wrote:
Low, why not mobile?
Low, why not mobile?
Why not Audio only?
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Jono7272
United Kingdom6330 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:56 KappaKingPrime wrote: Low, why not mobile? Why not Audio only? | ||
Penev
28431 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:56 afreecaTV.Char wrote: At this point, I wonder if GSL will even be around for the 2016 season. It is a pretty real possibility that they will just be gone. Financially they can not compete with SPOTV, and I doubt they are making a profit from their English stream. Even their Korean stream could be operating at a deficit. I think you're right. Hopefully someone else can take over so we keep the double tournament format. | ||
Rollora
2450 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:57 Jono7272 wrote: Why not Audio only? The question is: in which quality? | ||
neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:58 Penev wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 17:56 afreecaTV.Char wrote: At this point, I wonder if GSL will even be around for the 2016 season. It is a pretty real possibility that they will just be gone. Financially they can not compete with SPOTV, and I doubt they are making a profit from their English stream. Even their Korean stream could be operating at a deficit. I think you're right. Hopefully someone else can take over so we keep the double tournament format. OGN can buy them and hold OGSL | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
It could just be a new model they are experimenting with. | ||
Rollora
2450 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote: I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low" It could just be a new model they are experimenting with. they did this last season already | ||
SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:59 Rollora wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 17:57 Jono7272 wrote: On June 10 2015 17:56 KappaKingPrime wrote: Low, why not mobile? Why not Audio only? The question is: in which quality? Spotify Style, 2 minutes of adds every 10 minutes of music ! | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:58 Penev wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 17:56 afreecaTV.Char wrote: At this point, I wonder if GSL will even be around for the 2016 season. It is a pretty real possibility that they will just be gone. Financially they can not compete with SPOTV, and I doubt they are making a profit from their English stream. Even their Korean stream could be operating at a deficit. I think you're right. Hopefully someone else can take over so we keep the double tournament format. If GOM did fold then Blizzard would make SSL the exclusive, Korean WCS tournament. Without Blizzard support, no tournament outside of Kespa would be allowed to exist. | ||
Penev
28431 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote: I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low" It could just be a new model they are experimenting with. New? It's even the second time this year that they try this.. On June 10 2015 18:02 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 17:58 Penev wrote: On June 10 2015 17:56 afreecaTV.Char wrote: At this point, I wonder if GSL will even be around for the 2016 season. It is a pretty real possibility that they will just be gone. Financially they can not compete with SPOTV, and I doubt they are making a profit from their English stream. Even their Korean stream could be operating at a deficit. I think you're right. Hopefully someone else can take over so we keep the double tournament format. If GOM did fold then Blizzard would make SSL the exclusive, Korean WCS tournament. Without Blizzard support, no tournament outside of Kespa would be allowed to exist. You have no way of knowing this. | ||
Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote: I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low" It could just be a new model they are experimenting with. You must not have read the OP | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On June 10 2015 18:01 Rollora wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote: I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low" It could just be a new model they are experimenting with. they did this last season already they switched it for the ro.8 specifically? If so then it confirms what I thought that they have adopted this, "paywall for the premier rounds" which feels like a fair system. | ||
trada
Germany347 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:59 Rollora wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 17:57 Jono7272 wrote: On June 10 2015 17:56 KappaKingPrime wrote: Low, why not mobile? Why not Audio only? The question is: in which quality? you will have to pay extra for vowels. commercials are free though | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On June 10 2015 18:03 Shinta) wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote: I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low" It could just be a new model they are experimenting with. You must not have read the OP i'm saying there is probably more to it than was in the OP | ||
Mojito99
Germany154 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:52 SC2Toastie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 17:51 xdevilx2 wrote: If they struggle with money then I doubt that the few extra subs that they will get help. I mean thats maybe 200$ more? And were did you get those figures? Regarding the money side of this decision. Essentially, this move hurts the english viewership only. As far as I know, the majority of sponsors of the GSL do not have the english audience as a target group. So increased english viewership offers nothing to Gom. Therefore its absolutely reasonable to "charge extra" simply because neither GOM nor their sponsors were benefitting from english viewership in the first place. The only reason to provide a free HD stream is because the additional exposure offers enough value to the sponsors to compensate the provider of the service (which would be the Goms, Dreahhacks, IEMs) to not put up a paywall. Most reasonable economic "growth models" would advice against this sort of move. But for an organisation with no intent on expanding or bringing in foreign "investment" - aka sponsors - there is really nothing to say against it. Happy to hear counter arguments :D | ||
boomshine
Belgium9 Posts
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Penev
28431 Posts
On June 10 2015 18:04 KelsierSC wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 18:01 Rollora wrote: On June 10 2015 17:59 KelsierSC wrote: I think that there is probably more to GOM's thinking than, "we desperately need money now so let's put the free quality on low" It could just be a new model they are experimenting with. they did this last season already they switched it for the ro.8 specifically? If so then it confirms what I thought that they have adopted this, "paywall for the premier rounds" which feels like a fair system. No, the entire season was in low -_- | ||
pmp10
3225 Posts
If it's about the same as SSL then they are perfectly replaceable. | ||
Penev
28431 Posts
On June 10 2015 18:06 pmp10 wrote: How much support from WCS is GOM getting? If it's about the same as SSL then they are perfectly replaceable. Not completely sure but at least the price pool is funded by Blizzard. | ||
KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On June 10 2015 18:06 pmp10 wrote: How much support from WCS is GOM getting? If it's about the same as SSL then they are perfectly replaceable. it isn't a simple case of phoning up blizzard and stating you are "starting a tournament so fund me please" Someone in the scene will have to start up a tournament , get the infrastructure and get the players involved, then get blizzard involved. With how the scene is in Korea , and with kespa ,potentially, muscling out the competition. It is no where near a case of GSL being "perfectly replacable | ||
afreecaTV.Char
United States332 Posts
On June 10 2015 18:06 boomshine wrote: Low profit still is profit, think about the community No profit is still no profit. Their revenue from twitch ads / subs more than likely do not cover the expenses to run it, the English steam. Knowing that the Korean broadcast is more expensive than the English one, they may not be completely covering their expenses either. | ||
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